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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17485 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-19 01:48:05
April 19 2025 01:47 GMT
#98761
the information war continues...
https://www.ctvnews.ca/barrie/article/honda-responds-to-report-some-alliston-ont-production-may-move-to-us-amid-tariffs/
Honda Canada says a report published Tuesday morning claiming it may be considering a major restructuring of its North American manufacturing footprint that would have major implications for the Canadian auto sector is inaccurate.

Toyota is keeping its factories in Canada as well.

It is hilarious how GM's #1 concern is government money rather than a quality product.

Anyhow, as artificially created manufacturing jobs in the USA accumulate how long is it before the UAW pulls a power move?

I'll state this in an extreme way to make a point. The Prez of the USA should not be getting involved in how a random janitor in a random building mops the floor. The Prez should be creating on overall solid environment to increase the possibility for hard working people to create a quality life for themselves. He shouldn't be getting lost in the minutiea
On April 19 2025 07:59 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 07:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 18 2025 13:58 Acrofales wrote:
On April 18 2025 08:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 18 2025 08:43 decafchicken wrote:
On April 18 2025 07:38 Mohdoo wrote:
Its hard to see this as anything other than an unhinged power play to assert dominance over the courts. 21 year old born in the US, with birth certificate already presented in court. Still being held.

Lopez Gomez, 21, was born in Georgia. According to court records, he has been assigned a judge as well as a public defender. He appears to have been arrested and charged under an “anti-immigration” law passed in Florida two months ago, despite the fact that the law is currently under a temporary restraining order and isn’t supposed to be enforced.


https://newrepublic.com/post/194119/ice-detains-us-born-citizen-despite-birth-certificate

We are so cooked

mass enforcement will always lead to some mistakes. Assuming the facts outlined in the article are indeed facts... this single case is the tip of the iceberg of incorrect enforcement.
i suggest donating to Project Innocence.
https://innocenceproject.org/

fuck batman, superman, and spiderman.
Barry Scheck is a real hero.


Project Innocence does a lot of good work, but it's a bit absurd how much work they have to do in the US. Wouldn't it be better if the justice system erred on the side of caution, and innocent until proven guilty had actual meaning for everyone (and not just the rich who can afford expensive lawyers)? That way Project Innocence would have far less work to do (not none, mistakes will probably always be made, but a lot less).

for a long while it was too easy to cross the borders into the USA and now the pendulum is swinging the other way.
mistakes always get made on both side within a massive situation like this.

Is it a mistake if you double down at every given opportunity to rectify a mistake?

no idea. can you be more specific?
The USA's border rules were far to lax. It was super easy for me to cross the border when I was only Canadian. Personally, crossing the border is more of a hassle than it was 20 years ago... but that is prolly how it should be.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
April 19 2025 02:45 GMT
#98762
Why should border crossings between (formerly) friendly, allied neighbors be a burdensome hassle?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1680 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-19 03:13:36
April 19 2025 03:13 GMT
#98763
Just when you think this government couldn't get any more child like and what we used to call "try hard", god its pathetic.

covid.gov

or https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/

EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2869 Posts
April 19 2025 05:58 GMT
#98764
On April 19 2025 04:09 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 03:30 EnDeR_ wrote:
On April 19 2025 03:15 BlackJack wrote:
Quickly googled this and found an NPR article from 2011 during Obama's presidency

Stevens looked at about 8,000 cases in just two immigration detention facilities. She found that about 1 percent of the time, people were eventually let go because they were U.S. citizens. However, that meant the citizens were held between one week and four years in detention.

Stevens says that when members of Congress hear the figure is 1 percent, they think it's not bad.

"However, if we think about the magnitude of our deportation process, that means that thousands of U.S. citizens each year and tens of thousands in the course of a decade will be detained for substantial periods of time in absolute violation of the law and their civil rights," she says.


So apparently thousands of US citizens were detained for weeks or even years in ICE detention facilities during Obama's Presidency but I'm sure we'll soon learn why 1 US citizen being detained for 2 days is the worst thing that's ever happened in America


what exactly is your point?


The point is flooding the 24 hour news cycle with something that wouldn't even have been footnote 10 years ago is selective outrage to manipulate people. It erodes trust in the media because it's obviously driven by an agenda. It's no different than waiting for an illegal immigrant to murder a random white girl so they can flood the news with it while ignoring all the other white girls that have been murdered in the meantime.


would you not agree that it doesn't matter under which president this occurs and that it should not be happening? 1% sounds like a lot of people to me.
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 19 2025 07:02 GMT
#98765
Sure. We should not be deporting U.S. citizens.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2869 Posts
April 19 2025 07:22 GMT
#98766
This is getting silly now. www.nature.com

DOGE is now freezing grants that have already been approved, even if there's nothing DEI about them.

All new research grants have been frozen at the US National Science Foundation (NSF) — an action apparently ordered by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)


DOGE has arrived at the NSF. This agency funds a ton of tech research which is the essential fuel of the tech sector. This is honestly just dumb.
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5806 Posts
April 19 2025 07:30 GMT
#98767
On April 19 2025 16:22 EnDeR_ wrote:
This is getting silly now. www.nature.com

DOGE is now freezing grants that have already been approved, even if there's nothing DEI about them.

Show nested quote +
All new research grants have been frozen at the US National Science Foundation (NSF) — an action apparently ordered by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)


DOGE has arrived at the NSF. This agency funds a ton of tech research which is the essential fuel of the tech sector. This is honestly just dumb.

That is Trump government's modus operandi. ;-)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
April 19 2025 10:07 GMT
#98768
On April 19 2025 12:13 Billyboy wrote:
Just when you think this government couldn't get any more child like and what we used to call "try hard", god its pathetic.

covid.gov

or https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/



It's an embarrassing compilation of conspiracy theories from the Trump administration, yikes. "There was no conclusive evidence that masks effectively protected Americans from COVID-19" and so on... oof.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26718 Posts
April 19 2025 10:28 GMT
#98769
On April 19 2025 19:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 12:13 Billyboy wrote:
Just when you think this government couldn't get any more child like and what we used to call "try hard", god its pathetic.

covid.gov

or https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/



It's an embarrassing compilation of conspiracy theories from the Trump administration, yikes. "There was no conclusive evidence that masks effectively protected Americans from COVID-19" and so on... oof.

Why are people making this a political issue eh?

I hate the whole concept of the pardon system, but I can rather see why Fauci got that one.

I’ve zero issue with critical examination of these things, failures and how they happened etc, but this is just outright propaganda as presented
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9202 Posts
April 19 2025 11:15 GMT
#98770
On April 19 2025 08:59 Wala.Revolution wrote:
edit: added source https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/04/8716/

This is interesting. When I saw them cutting education, research, public healthcare, food safety, environmental protections, I was sure that they don't care about the future and are just trying to loot as much as possible in the here and now.

But that's not what's happening, they seem to be under the impression that they are investing in the future and saving civilization.

The White House website now reads like one of those websites about talking to aliens from Nibiru.

This movement is a complete capitulation to the irrational. Your grandkids will study this administration like the dancing plague of 1518.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
April 19 2025 11:36 GMT
#98771
On April 19 2025 19:28 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 19:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 19 2025 12:13 Billyboy wrote:
Just when you think this government couldn't get any more child like and what we used to call "try hard", god its pathetic.

covid.gov

or https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/



It's an embarrassing compilation of conspiracy theories from the Trump administration, yikes. "There was no conclusive evidence that masks effectively protected Americans from COVID-19" and so on... oof.

Why are people making this a political issue eh?

I hate the whole concept of the pardon system, but I can rather see why Fauci got that one.

I’ve zero issue with critical examination of these things, failures and how they happened etc, but this is just outright propaganda as presented


It's because of his ego. Trump thinks that he can rewrite history and erase his failure and mishandling of the covid pandemic by lying on the White House's website.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
April 19 2025 13:12 GMT
#98772
In another anti-education move, Trump is removing significant portions of federal aid from preschools:

"Head Start centers across the U.S. have received nearly $1 billion less in federal money compared with this time last year — and a lag in funding this week has caused some preschool classrooms for low-income children to close.

The federal government has distributed $1.6 billion for Head Start from Jan. 1 through Tuesday, compared with $2.55 billion issued during the same period last year, according to the office of Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., which has been analyzing a federal database. Murray said the Trump administration had “slow-walked” funding appropriated by Congress.

Head Start, a child development program for more than half a million of the nation’s neediest kids, is federally funded, but runs through private and public schools.

The preschools are deeply reliant on the federal money they receive. On Wednesday, a delay in funding closed Head Start classrooms serving more than 400 children at Inspire Development Centers in Sunnyside, Washington. More than 70 staff have been laid off, and the center’s leaders don’t plan to reopen the classrooms until they receive federal money, Inspire CEO Jorge Castillo said.

The lag in funding is the latest barrier Head Start preschools have faced under the Trump administration. During the brief freeze on federal grants after President Donald Trump took office, Head Start providers were unable to access their accounts. Unable to make payroll that day, several centers temporarily closed, cutting off free child care for low-income families, for whom a day without work is often a day without pay.
https://apnews.com/article/head-start-funding-preschool-child-care-closures-1f92fa98f320c7c14db63e69b986d11d

The problems for Head Start began days after President Donald Trump took office.

Trump’s administration announced it would freeze federal grants — the primary funding for the early education program that serves more than half a million low-income children. Then came glitches with the funding website that forced nearly two dozen Head Start centers to close temporarily.

Even after the funding freeze was aborted — and the website was restored — those who run the programs remained on edge. On Tuesday, the administration gave them another reason to worry: mass layoffs.

Scores of government employees who help administer Head Start, which is federally funded but run by schools and nonprofits, have been put on leave. Preschool operators say they have received no communication from the Office of Head Start and don’t know who to turn to if they have questions about grants or need the office to sign off on equipment expenditures.

They fear the program, which serves some of the nation’s neediest kids and families, could fall victim to the Trump administration’s sweeping cuts.

Head Start was started six decades ago as part of President Lyndon B. Johnson’s War on Poverty. While the early childhood program has enjoyed bipartisan support since then, some Republicans have emphasized its shortcomings and criticized efforts to increase funding. And Project 2025, the policy blueprint created by the conservative Heritage Foundation, called for eliminating Head Start altogether.
https://apnews.com/article/head-start-office-closures-hhs-trump-00b1a6b33ef918cb66e59b7ffb07ac13
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26718 Posts
April 19 2025 13:41 GMT
#98773
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
April 19 2025 13:52 GMT
#98774
On April 19 2025 22:41 WombaT wrote:
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever

Destroy America

Also lol @ trump backtracking after Harvard threatened to sue
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
April 19 2025 13:59 GMT
#98775
On April 19 2025 22:41 WombaT wrote:
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever


Education = liberal indoctrination at all levels, might as well include preschool, I guess. Plus, it disproportionately hurts the poor and is irrelevant to the rich, which is always preferable for Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-19 14:22:46
April 19 2025 14:22 GMT
#98776
On April 19 2025 22:41 WombaT wrote:
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever

Poor families will have stupid kids that are easier to trick and control.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2767 Posts
April 19 2025 14:37 GMT
#98777
On April 19 2025 22:52 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 22:41 WombaT wrote:
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever

Destroy America

Also lol @ trump backtracking after Harvard threatened to sue


On the list of institutions you don't want suing you Harvard has to be one of the top ones.

Not only do they have access to many of the top lawyers on the planet because they are alumni, most of them will likely work for free.
And on top of that it's not unlikely that the court, and possibly your own team have connections to them. Not that they won't do their job but opinions does matter.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1680 Posts
April 19 2025 14:44 GMT
#98778
It is also just the way he operates, makes big news with some crazy fight he starts, get cheered by his adoring fans, waste a ton of money pretending they are really going to do, back down and get cheered by all his adoring fans. Art of the deal.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
April 19 2025 15:44 GMT
#98779
On April 19 2025 23:37 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 22:52 decafchicken wrote:
On April 19 2025 22:41 WombaT wrote:
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever

Destroy America

Also lol @ trump backtracking after Harvard threatened to sue


On the list of institutions you don't want suing you Harvard has to be one of the top ones.

Not only do they have access to many of the top lawyers on the planet because they are alumni, most of them will likely work for free.
And on top of that it's not unlikely that the court, and possibly your own team have connections to them. Not that they won't do their job but opinions does matter.


$50B endowment doesn't hurt either
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
April 19 2025 20:53 GMT
#98780
On April 19 2025 22:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2025 22:41 WombaT wrote:
What’s the given rationale here? At least with the other cuts they’re ’justified’ as being anti-brainwashing or whatever


Education = liberal indoctrination at all levels, might as well include preschool, I guess. Plus, it disproportionately hurts the poor and is irrelevant to the rich, which is always preferable for Trump.


Gotta get em employed while their hands are still good and small for reaching into small dangerous crevices. Preschool would detract from that!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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