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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45701 Posts
On April 21 2025 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Thing is, we did fine under Trump the first time. Who is "we" in your statement, and what exactly was "fine" and why do you think it was "fine"? | ||
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Poland9296 Posts
I'm aware international politics aren't as important in this context but I still think it's a good example to show why Trump's first term wasn't "that bad". Biden's administration reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine was very good and everyone went back to considering the US to be the smart and rational leader of the free world. This was barely a year after Trump's first term finished. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17479 Posts
Her rotator cuff issues magically disappear when she stops playing baseball 10 hours a week. Anyhow, it is nice to see people worming their way around directives coming from 20 managements layers above them. Directives coming from people who have no clue what is going on at the ground level. These directives make it easier for a lazy slacker's direct supervisor to keep them in the office 5 days a week. So, over all, I think the 'back to office' directives have been a good thing. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
On April 21 2025 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Thing is, we did fine under Trump the first time. However, on this board the sky is always falling. This comes from a mindset behind the reaction to the "War of the Worlds" radio show broadcast in 1938. From nuclear wars, to incurring too much government debt, to abandoning conscription, to aids to global warming to Trump. The USA has been an eyelash away from total destruction since 1938. The reaction of the general public to that 1938 War of the World's broadcast indicates it has had an innate appetite for the impending apocalypse. This forum board is another extension of that 90 year trend. People want an impending apocalypse... so they see it around every corner. Simultaneously, they do not plan around it. Its been the end of the world since 2014 because of Trump and yet no one is doing anything about it. In fact, Canadians and Mexicans are pouring into the country. + Show Spoiler + A significant number of Canadians also emigrated to the U.S. in 2022, with 126,340 individuals making the move, a 70% increase compared to 2012 These people all knew a Republican presidential term with Trump is possible and they moved away from Canada any way. let me give you a view on the street... + Show Spoiler + my wife and i had a pool installed in the house we own in Stafford, Virginia. During Trump's first term, she bought it in 2015 @ $199,000 at an interest rate of 1.99%. She carried the house on her own income as a 24 year old knowing Trump would be in power for the toughest part of the house owning process. Most of her classmates from her non-Ivy League, above average but not spectacular MBA program bought a house before age 28 from 2015 to 2018 during Trump's term in office. During that time if you go back to the comments in here you would think the sky was falling the way the posters in here communicate. Skilled Labour Makes $150/Hour ... Cash This small house 50 minutes outside of Washington DC is an income property for us now. We put a pool in it this month. Several different Pool companies wanted $25,000 for installation their lowest level pool. We, mainly my wife, got it done for under $5,000 while paying the skilled tradesmen construction guys $150 USD per hour cash under the table.. The big fancy pool companies wanted 2 weeks to install it. Our 2 plumber/electrician guys installed it in a day and it included a 30 meter gravel walk way... steps... all kinds of great convenient stuff around the pool itself. They did a great job stabilizing the ground under the pool. We snagged the pool at Walmart for $500. After the installation was over I talked to the 2 mexican guys whom I met through one of my niece's ex bfs. We are happy here. It seems immigrants who come from Canada and Mexico think the USA is solid. Mexicans and Canadian immigrants love America more than Americans. And the USA's leaders know it. They know they can always bring in fresh talent from North and South of the border. American workers are lazy dawg. LAZY These 2 pretty highly skilled tradesmen worked pretty hard during an 11 hour day and went home with over $3000 cash. $3000 cash in one day. The pool company wanted $25,000. They got paid in cash by a lazy guy who has been living off of a language compiler he built in 2006 as the final course project for 2 university half credit compiler construction courses. "the money is out there gentlemen, you pick up it yours, you don't i got no sympathy for you" Hopefully, you understand why so many Canadians leave a G7 country to come to the USA. I consider it a privilege to live in the USA and so do the 2 Mexican skilled labourers I hung out with this weekend. We laugh at Americans who think the economy is bad. What in the world are you talking about. Obama was in office in 2015 and that's probably why your wife was able to buy an affordable house at a low interest rate. The rest of your anecdote speaks to how well off landlords are able to extract cheap labor from immigrants to further improve their station. Quoting immigration numbers from canada during biden's term is somehow means things are going good in present day america where immigrants are being kidnapped on the street?? Who exactly did fine under Trumps first term? Corporations and top 1% benefitted enormously from an insane tax bill that was rushed through congress resulting in trillions of dollars of buybacks to pump up equities while adding trillions to our deficit setting us up poorly to handle the COVID crisis, which was horribly handled by Trump. Then biden comes in and our country returns somewhat to normal eventually and now Trump comes in blaming him for the deficit he created himself, weaponizing it to absolutely gut all functions of the government, and now is attempting to pass ANOTHER INSANE TAX BILL. Also all the adults that were in the room in Trumps first term are gone. We didn't have news hosts running our military or conspiracy theorists running health services. We are so much more fucked than we were in Trumps first term. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17479 Posts
On April 22 2025 00:29 decafchicken wrote: What in the world are you talking about. Obama was in office in 2015 and that's probably why your wife was able to buy an affordable house at a low interest rate. The rest of your anecdote speaks to how well off landlords are able to extract cheap labor from immigrants to further improve their station. Quoting immigration numbers from canada during biden's term is somehow means things are going good in present day america where immigrants are being kidnapped on the street?? Who exactly did fine under Trumps first term? Corporations and top 1% benefitted enormously from an insane tax bill that was rushed through congress resulting in trillions of dollars of buybacks to pump up equities while adding trillions to our deficit setting us up poorly to handle the COVID crisis, which was horribly handled by Trump, then biden comes in and our country returns somewhat to normal and now Trump comes in blaming him for the deficit he created then weaponizing to absolutely gut all functions of the government and attempting to pass ANOTHER INSANE TAX BILL. Also all the adults that were in the room in Trumps first term are gone. We didn't have news hosts running our military or conspiracy theorists running health services. We are so much more fucked than we were in Trumps first term. In December, 2015 Trump was on his way to the Oval Office. My wife and her classmates all bought houses all throughout Trump's term. My wife was more heroic than Joan of Arc and she managed to hold onto her house throughout Trump's tenure. Truly, an against all odds story of heroism and perseverance... Anyhow, She voted for Clinton in 2015 and Trump twice since then. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45701 Posts
On April 22 2025 04:18 decafchicken wrote: December 2015 was 3 months before republican primaries even started Also, Jimmy's exact words were "Its been the end of the world since 2014 because of Trump", so he's actually off by 2 years, not just 1 year, if he's talking about the 2016 election (and he's off by 3 years if he's talking about Trump's first presidency lol). | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
201 Posts
The Japanese have just been in Washington. Their experience apparently was they went to talk to the American leadership on this matter, and the American leadership said 'what are you offering?' And the Japanese said 'well, what is it that you want?' And the Americans could not explain what they wanted.' Corroborates with a recent Fox Business article that I can’t find that says pretty much the same thing but half heartily attempts to spin the tactic as the Art of the Deal. As well as European Union pieces that don’t spell this out as directly but highlight how all the top people involved in economic policy are all snakes with their own positions that contradict each other. | ||
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Vivax
22300 Posts
On April 22 2025 00:29 decafchicken wrote: What in the world are you talking about. Obama was in office in 2015 and that's probably why your wife was able to buy an affordable house at a low interest rate. The rest of your anecdote speaks to how well off landlords are able to extract cheap labor from immigrants to further improve their station. Quoting immigration numbers from canada during biden's term is somehow means things are going good in present day america where immigrants are being kidnapped on the street?? Who exactly did fine under Trumps first term? Corporations and top 1% benefitted enormously from an insane tax bill that was rushed through congress resulting in trillions of dollars of buybacks to pump up equities while adding trillions to our deficit setting us up poorly to handle the COVID crisis, which was horribly handled by Trump. Then biden comes in and our country returns somewhat to normal eventually and now Trump comes in blaming him for the deficit he created himself, weaponizing it to absolutely gut all functions of the government, and now is attempting to pass ANOTHER INSANE TAX BILL. Also all the adults that were in the room in Trumps first term are gone. We didn't have news hosts running our military or conspiracy theorists running health services. We are so much more fucked than we were in Trumps first term. He‘s also firing people in several top positions in military and intelligence nonstop. List of people fired by Trump is an interesting read on google. Probably those who insisted on not collaborating with Russia in invading western Europe. He’s 180ing on everything and sometimes 360ing. Dude must be in active psychosis. His doctors diagnosis doesn‘t mean shit. He was under duress to give him a good score lol. What he wants is America ruled by corporations with minimal or no government oversight. It‘s pretty obvious. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26711 Posts
On April 21 2025 02:14 Dan HH wrote: I'm not a fan of that strategy and argued with him about it before the election but that's all in the past, we can't redo the election. Gotta stop in-fighting over small differences. People have to put their egos and points-scoring aside and contribute to opposing this assault on reason in whichever way they can. Not everyone has personal circumstances that permit them to strike, or be defiant at work or join protests, but the very least that can be done is not dragging each-other down. PS: This is more of a general sentiment rather than aimed at you specifically. I’m not sure in some instances if we are talking about the narcissism of petty differences, but some rather fundamental ones. That aside, yeah fair points. However I will say that to build solidarity, even across some reasonably large divides, well one has to do certain things. Compromise, and quite crucially IMO, admit to one’s past fuckups. Across the board. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26711 Posts
On April 21 2025 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Thing is, we did fine under Trump the first time. However, on this board the sky is always falling. This comes from a mindset behind the reaction to the "War of the Worlds" radio show broadcast in 1938. From nuclear wars, to incurring too much government debt, to abandoning conscription, to aids to global warming to Trump. The USA has been an eyelash away from total destruction since 1938. The reaction of the general public to that 1938 War of the World's broadcast indicates it has had an innate appetite for the impending apocalypse. This forum board is another extension of that 90 year trend. People want an impending apocalypse... so they see it around every corner. Simultaneously, they do not plan around it. Its been the end of the world since 2014 because of Trump and yet no one is doing anything about it. In fact, Canadians and Mexicans are pouring into the country. + Show Spoiler + A significant number of Canadians also emigrated to the U.S. in 2022, with 126,340 individuals making the move, a 70% increase compared to 2012 These people all knew a Republican presidential term with Trump is possible and they moved away from Canada any way. let me give you a view on the street... + Show Spoiler + my wife and i had a pool installed in the house we own in Stafford, Virginia. During Trump's first term, she bought it in 2015 @ $199,000 at an interest rate of 1.99%. She carried the house on her own income as a 24 year old knowing Trump would be in power for the toughest part of the house owning process. Most of her classmates from her non-Ivy League, above average but not spectacular MBA program bought a house before age 28 from 2015 to 2018 during Trump's term in office. During that time if you go back to the comments in here you would think the sky was falling the way the posters in here communicate. Skilled Labour Makes $150/Hour ... Cash This small house 50 minutes outside of Washington DC is an income property for us now. We put a pool in it this month. Several different Pool companies wanted $25,000 for installation their lowest level pool. We, mainly my wife, got it done for under $5,000 while paying the skilled tradesmen construction guys $150 USD per hour cash under the table.. The big fancy pool companies wanted 2 weeks to install it. Our 2 plumber/electrician guys installed it in a day and it included a 30 meter gravel walk way... steps... all kinds of great convenient stuff around the pool itself. They did a great job stabilizing the ground under the pool. We snagged the pool at Walmart for $500. After the installation was over I talked to the 2 mexican guys whom I met through one of my niece's ex bfs. We are happy here. It seems immigrants who come from Canada and Mexico think the USA is solid. Mexicans and Canadian immigrants love America more than Americans. And the USA's leaders know it. They know they can always bring in fresh talent from North and South of the border. American workers are lazy dawg. LAZY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTGlNOxdATA These 2 pretty highly skilled tradesmen worked pretty hard during an 11 hour day and went home with over $3000 cash. $3000 cash in one day. The pool company wanted $25,000. They got paid in cash by a lazy guy who has been living off of a language compiler he built in 2006 as the final course project for 2 university half credit compiler construction courses. "the money is out there gentlemen, you pick up it yours, you don't i got no sympathy for you" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGQ_43_FlO8#t=6m30s Hopefully, you understand why so many Canadians leave a G7 country to come to the USA. I consider it a privilege to live in the USA and so do the 2 Mexican skilled labourers I hung out with this weekend. We laugh at Americans who think the economy is bad. I’m sure a lot of people want to work for Ubisoft, would you take that as evidence they’re doing great? | ||
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Billyboy
1679 Posts
The Trump effect of everything being so heightened and dramatic that major things become "normal", the market crashed another 2.5 % today and it barely made the news. Also the Hegseth stuff is obviously awful for national security, but also he is putting his family in grave danger. Even Seals keep everything from their family so that other countries know there is no point kidnapping them since they know no information. He is making all these people targets. It is crazy shit to have a guy this irresponsible in this position. | ||
micronesia
United States24769 Posts
On April 22 2025 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: So much for the big 'back to the office' initiative for government employees. Lol. My wife's oldest sister, a government employee, has got rotator cuff issues, she's got chondromalcia; she goes to physiotherapy 2 days per week and works from home on those days. She goes into the office 3 days a week. Her rotator cuff issues magically disappear when she stops playing baseball 10 hours a week. Anyhow, it is nice to see people worming their way around directives coming from 20 managements layers above them. Directives coming from people who have no clue what is going on at the ground level. These directives make it easier for a lazy slacker's direct supervisor to keep them in the office 5 days a week. So, over all, I think the 'back to office' directives have been a good thing. I have no idea how you got to your conclusion at the bottom, even after reading your post twice. Then again, even if you elaborated clearly I doubt it would increase or decrease the extent to which I disagree with your conclusion... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45701 Posts
On April 22 2025 08:12 micronesia wrote: I have no idea how you got to your conclusion at the bottom, even after reading your post twice. Then again, even if you elaborated clearly I doubt it would increase or decrease the extent to which I disagree with your conclusion... This is what I have so far: Trump's directives are a good thing, because hard workers can lie and cheat to avoid them whenever the directives aren't truly needed, while lazy workers are too stupid to avoid them. Also, apparently, Jimmy's sister is lying about the severity of her medical condition and simply using it as a fake excuse to not go into the office every day... because she's a hard worker (former group) and not a lazy worker (latter group). | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18276 Posts
On April 22 2025 08:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: This is what I have so far: Trump's directives are a good thing, because hard workers can lie and cheat to avoid them whenever the directives aren't truly needed, while lazy workers are too stupid to avoid them. Also, apparently, Jimmy's sister is lying about the severity of her medical condition and simply using it as a fake excuse to not go into the office every day... because she's a hard worker (former group) and not a lazy worker (latter group). That was the only conclusion I could reach too. I don't know why lazy workers are less lazy in the office, and faking medical conditions is about the oldest trick in the book for getting out of work, and I hate to break it to you, but it's done by lazy people just as easily as by industrious ones. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1150 Posts
DUI Hire Hegseth has a meltdown when asked about yet another reveal about him sharing Top Secret information with random persons via non secure channels (while circus music is playing), his kids almost can't take the cringe: https://www.thedailybeast.com/hegseth-melts-down-in-front-of-own-kids-in-rant-to-save-job/ Of course it's normal to start any conversation with praising dear leader - proud to be a german, we at least came up with a 2 word salute. Why use many word when few word do? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9840 Posts
In Monday's letter, Mr Garber said: "The consequences of the government's overreach will be severe and long-lasting." Studies on pediatric cancer, Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease would be affected, he wrote. "Stop DEI or we'll stop funding cancer research" You have to love this Trump government. The absolute scum of the Earth, these people. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1150 Posts
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Vivax
22300 Posts
Can‘t wait for those billionaires to save society from themselves with the tax cuts, reduced oversight and a puppet president. And, if you are found to be illegally in the US you can go to prison in your country of origin. What‘s the logic here? + Show Spoiler + Silly goosery: + Show Spoiler + Mark Twains mullet: I will breed the leech. I will lay down on fire.I‘ll be high on the ground. I will expose myself to communicate. | ||
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