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"I need to make my deportation quota and I don't care where the bodies come from"
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Telling egregious lies and pushing hard to get someone without the wherewithal to know better to sign a contract weighed against them in order to meet a quota?
Damn, that is comically archetypical of a greasy used car salesman. Matilda's dad from the movie type shit, lmao.
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On April 23 2025 04:55 Zambrah wrote:
Telling egregious lies and pushing hard to get someone without the wherewithal to know better to sign a contract weighed against them in order to meet a quota?
Damn, that is comically archetypical of a greasy used car salesman. Matilda's dad from the movie type shit, lmao.
This is how the NKVD murdered some 100-150k Polish people in one year. They were just filling ridiculous quotas of "spies".
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On April 23 2025 05:18 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 04:55 Zambrah wrote:
Telling egregious lies and pushing hard to get someone without the wherewithal to know better to sign a contract weighed against them in order to meet a quota?
Damn, that is comically archetypical of a greasy used car salesman. Matilda's dad from the movie type shit, lmao. This is how the NKVD murdered some 100-150k Polish people in one year. They were just filling ridiculous quotas of "spies".
Honestly if Trump was feeling genuinely popular I would not be surprised to see those numbers of brown people executed randomly by ICE for "resisting arrest" or other made up bullshit on his/his crony's orders.
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On April 21 2025 10:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2025 09:12 Razyda wrote:On April 20 2025 21:47 WombaT wrote:On April 20 2025 19:59 Razyda wrote:On April 20 2025 11:31 WombaT wrote:
I dunno maybe folks coulda just like, voted to keep Trump out? Hey I’m just some neophyte rube from across the Atlantic or whatever.
Not doing that and constantly advocating against such poxy things as voting and instead hoping for some genuinely revolutionary pushback down the line is turning down some decent looking lass in your local bar because you’re convinced Cindy Crawford will be expressive to one’s interest down the line bolded - Or realising that your voting decision is as impactful, as was for native Americans choosing side in civil war, or American revolution. It depends what you want in a vote. You’re very restricted if your politics align with what I’d like to see and your power to effect that change within the current frameworks. However if one of your goals is merely to at least delay handing the country to overt Fascists, that option was absolutely on the table. Myself I don’t have a huge amount of faith in the populace of the States, or indeed my own country jumping on things like a general strike to defang such a process, apathy is a thing, people being a pay check or two from being homeless is also a thing. That being the case IMO, winning the election is your best sluice valve, because there’s not a great plan B there. Bolded - no, not really. Pretty much every government is on the path to evolve into totalitarian one, all your vote changes is under which banner you get there. Italic - This is the thing, you got focused on fancy words like fascists, that you didnt realise that they eventually didnt matter once government established its power. There is no such thing as right authoritarian government, or left authoritarian government, there is only authoritarian government. Doesnt matter what you label it, end result is you dont have any rights, even if some are written down for funsies. So if your goal was to avoid totalitarian government then that option wasnt on the table, if your goal was to delay it, then it was on the table, but it wasnt Kamala. Bolded 2 - General strike wont work by itself, all it can do it may be a turning point, at worst it get stomped by government effectively speedrunning into totalitarianism, at best it evolve into only thing which may work. Out of curiosity: which condition you think give a general strike bigger chance to succeed, one where you have access to millions of cheap workers willing to do any job, or the one where you dont? Italic 2 - if that is from perspective of the voter, then I think you misunderstood word "winning". If you have 2 parties x and y, and you think they are both bad, however decided to vote for x which happens to win election, then you didnt "win" anything, party x won, you got nothing. It’s not a ‘fancy word’ it’s a well-defined descriptive one, and chosen deliberately. I have longed despised the British Conservative Party for example, but it’s never been a descriptor I’d employ there because the glove doesn’t fit.
Contextually, I’m not defending the system as it were, nor the particular ‘virtues’ of the Democratic Party, both things I’ve a long history of being critical of. My point was merely that voting was by far the easiest way to keep Trump out of power. Not doing so and relying on people doing things that are much harder to subsequently was my point. It’s certainly not a magic wand. As per your question, you don’t have millions of workers who can just do specialised technical work at the drop of a hat, so I don’t think that’s super relevant here. I don’t think there’s some magical formula for such things, but a country that’s ballpark split 50/50, without a huge recent history of such a thing wouldn’t be where I’d stick my money
Bolded - I bet, if you used totalitarian government, you cant exactly make a case that voting makes a difference.
Italic - and yet you arguing that voting lets you "win"
Bolded 2 - Yes you do. Who do you think general strike would involve? Wall street bankers? Silicon Valley programmers? Boeing engineers? NASA Scientists? Despite of what you got accustomed to those are barely relevant to functioning society. General strike you need to be concerned about would have: dock workers, farm workers, couriers, warehouse workers, construction workers and so on. While the first group strike would cause some inconvenience, the latter would be devastating.
Italic 2 - because there isnt "magical formula". You see I fully agree with Jefferson on "tree of liberty", because everything else leads to eventual slavery (slightly disguised, but still slavery). Kwark explained, rather precisely, in Russo-Ukrainian War Thread. For some reason he thought it only applied to Russians, but everyone errs from time to time  .
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You know you can break up a person's post using [quote] and [ /quote] if you want to respond to specific statements. The way you do it with the bold and italicized font is a mess
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[QUOTE]On April 23 2025 09:11 BlackJack wrote:
You know you can break up a person's post using [quote] and [ /quote] if you want to respond to specific statements. The way you do it with the bold and italicized font is a mess[/QUOTE]
I do, but then I am getting accused of taking quotes out of context. Bolded/Italic thing lets people view entire post I am referring to.
Edit: also apologies for weirdly quoting your post not sure what happened there.
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United States24793 Posts
On April 23 2025 10:37 Razyda wrote:I do.
Congratulations Rayzda and BlackJack!
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On April 23 2025 10:40 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 10:37 Razyda wrote:On April 23 2025 09:11 BlackJack wrote:
<snip> I do. Congratulations Rayzda and BlackJack!
Cute. Call out a homophobe in 3, 2, 1...
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On April 23 2025 10:40 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 10:37 Razyda wrote:On April 23 2025 09:11 BlackJack wrote:
<snip> I do. Congratulations Rayzda and BlackJack!
Bold 1, Italics 1, Underline 1, Bold 2, Italics 2, Underline 2: I'm so happy for them!
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On April 23 2025 10:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 10:40 micronesia wrote:On April 23 2025 10:37 Razyda wrote:On April 23 2025 09:11 BlackJack wrote:
<snip> I do. Congratulations Rayzda and BlackJack! Bold 1, Italics 1, Underline 1, Bold 2, Italics 2, Underline 2: I'm so happy for them!
Think of it as math problem, my teacher dude. (bold 1) = x, (Italic 1) = y, and so on...
I hope it is not to complex...
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On April 23 2025 10:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 10:40 micronesia wrote:On April 23 2025 10:37 Razyda wrote:On April 23 2025 09:11 BlackJack wrote:
<snip> I do. Congratulations Rayzda and BlackJack! Bold 1, Italics 1, Underline 1, Bold 2, Italics 2, Underline 2: I'm so happy for them!
🤣🤣🤣
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On April 23 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 10:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 23 2025 10:40 micronesia wrote:On April 23 2025 10:37 Razyda wrote:On April 23 2025 09:11 BlackJack wrote:
<snip> I do. Congratulations Rayzda and BlackJack! Bold 1, Italics 1, Underline 1, Bold 2, Italics 2, Underline 2: I'm so happy for them! Think of it as math problem, my teacher dude. (bold 1) = x, (Italic 1) = y, and so on... I hope it is not to complex...
It is the perfect amount of both real and imaginary!
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When is JD Vance going to be visiting Putin ?
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On April 23 2025 19:48 Vivax wrote:
When is JD Vance going to be visiting Putin ?
You mean so that Vance's presence can ultimately affect Putin with the same deadly correlation that Vance's presence affected the late Pope? Soon, hopefully, and I hope Vance and Trump spend tons of time together too.
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JD Vance makes everything shittier, so by chance he lets putin drink his blood which makes him 20 years younger.
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On April 23 2025 19:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 19:48 Vivax wrote:
When is JD Vance going to be visiting Putin ? You mean so that Vance's presence can ultimately affect Putin with the same deadly correlation that Vance's presence affected the late Pope? Soon, hopefully, and I hope Vance and Trump spend tons of time together too.
Dude came in like a Nazgul.
I always check my windows twice these days to make sure the vice president isn‘t out there waiting for me.
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On April 23 2025 20:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2025 19:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 23 2025 19:48 Vivax wrote:
When is JD Vance going to be visiting Putin ? You mean so that Vance's presence can ultimately affect Putin with the same deadly correlation that Vance's presence affected the late Pope? Soon, hopefully, and I hope Vance and Trump spend tons of time together too. Dude came in like a Nazgul. I always check my windows twice these days to make sure the vice president isn‘t out there waiting for me.
I always check my living room furniture.
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Speaking of Putin though, Trump is still very clearly on the pro-Russia / anti-Ukraine bandwagon:
Trump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation
The U.S. expects Ukraine's response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.
Why it matters: The one-page document the U.S. presented Ukrainian officials in Paris last week describes this as President Trump's "final offer." The White House insists it's ready to walk away if the parties don't make a deal soon.
Trump's proposal would require major concessions from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who previously ruled out accepting Russia's occupation of Crimea and parts of four regions in eastern Ukraine.
And while Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly offered to freeze the current front lines in order to reach a deal, he has previously rejected other elements of the U.S. framework, such as a European peacekeeping force on Ukrainian territory.
A source close to the Ukrainian government said Kyiv sees the proposal as highly biased towards Russia: "The proposal says very clearly what tangible gains Russia gets, but only vaguely and generally says what Ukraine is going to get."
What Russia gets under Trump's proposal:
-"De jure" U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.
-"De-facto recognition" of the Russia's occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
-A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine could become part of the European Union.
-The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.
-Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial sectors. https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas
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