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On April 10 2025 14:44 Jockmcplop wrote:https://mississippitoday.org/2025/04/08/mississippi-libraries-ordered-to-delete-academic-research-in-response-to-state-laws/Show nested quote +A state commission scrubbed academic research from a database used by Mississippi libraries and public schools — a move made to comply with recent state laws changing what content can be offered in libraries.
The Mississippi Library Commission ordered the deletion of two research collections that might violate state law, a March 31 internal memo obtained by Mississippi Today shows. One of the now deleted research collections focused on “race relations” and the other on “gender studies.”
The memo, written by Mississippi Library Commission Executive Director Hulen Bivins, confirmed the scrubbing of scholarly material from a database used by publicly funded schools, libraries, community colleges, universities and state agencies. The database, MAGNOLIA, is funded by the Mississippi Legislature.
Bivins’ memo was emailed to a small group of library and academic administrators who oversee the state-run research database, telling them state laws affecting library collections prompted the deletion.
“In this challenging time with many different viewpoints concerning library materials and material content your willingness to work with these issues is appreciated,” Bivins wrote. “The deletion of these two databases shall be permanent until such time as when the Legislature changes their position regarding the content of materials made available in Mississippi libraries.” So are we allowed to call this fascism yet, or is that just more hysterical leftism?
ignorance is strength, censorship gives security and peace of mind.
while we are at it, something remarkable happened at Fox
I want to tell you right now that Donald Trump outsmarted the world. Trust me, I’m an American. I support my president, but that’s not really what happened here. From what I understand — and I know I’ll get pushback — but here’s what it is. First off, we should point out that one of the good things about this is that Scott Bessent is finally in the White House. He’s finally leading this. I mean, up until a couple of days ago, it was [Howard Lutnick], it was Peter Navarro, the commerce secretary, the trade adviser — very much hawks. Now it’s Scott Bessent, who believes in cutting deals as opposed to, you know, just putting these tariffs out there and let’s be a mercantilistic economy. That’s number one.
But number two, let’s recall what happened overnight; and from what I understand — and I’m getting this from people that are talking to the White House — what happened in the bond market overnight, the spike in yields on the 30-year and the 10-year bond, which showed that people were dumping our bonds. And who are those people dumping our bonds? Japan, the biggest holder of bonds, was selling bonds. That’s what I’m getting from some very big money managers. China, maybe to some extent, but it was largely Japan and others.
If you have a mass sale of bonds, that means people are losing confidence in the US economy, on the ability to do deals with us; and from what I understand, this is what forced the hand of this 90-day reprieve. Now, is it a good thing? Are people coming to the table? Yeah, but if, you know, if you read between the lines and not even what what Scott Bessent said, we have no deals, right? There’s nobody that is really there saying, “This is what we’re gonna do,” and they paused it anyway.
So, my thing is, well, I’ll give you this: there is some “Art of the Deal” here. And, by the way, brilliant move by putting China in the corner, but that’s a whole separate thing because remember, that’s a very difficult negotiation. Everybody else is a lot easier. They do want to deal with us — whether they want to be, you know, forced into really bad trade deals on their end is a whole other negotiating story.
But make no mistake about it, you cannot divorce this decision right here from what happened last night, which was, you know — people focus on the stock market all the time. It’s the bond market and the sort of lending markets that’s the plumbing of the economy; and those markets were imploding last night. And that’s why we have a 90-day freeze.
in the end you can see how he notices where he is and for which channel he works for so he tries to backpaddle a bit.
I wonder how long he will stay in maximo lider's good graces for telling what he heard. remarkably and unexpectedly other things than the official line.
how will his employer react? he might get less airtime, a sort of cancellation one always hears about. we will see.
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Canada11607 Posts
Honestly, I think this is where we are at Trump's trade policies.
![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/1vx0c542lute1.jpeg)
Anyone watch the Expanse? Trump is Marco Inaros.
Doesn't matter what happens or how badly Marco's plan screws up. Whatever the results, it was always part of the plan even when it directly contradicts the plan. Which works with his followers until it doesn't. But I don't know what would shake the blind faith of the faithful at this point.
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United Kingdom10006 Posts
On April 10 2025 15:32 Falling wrote:Honestly, I think this is where we are at Trump's trade policies. Anyone watch the Expanse? Trump is Marco Inaros. Doesn't matter what happens or how badly Marco's plan screws up. Whatever the results, it was always part of the plan even when it directly contradicts the plan. Which works with his followers until it doesn't. But I don't know what would shake the blind faith of the faithful at this point.
I just posted this exact meme somewhere else.
Its like a hail mary attempt to get through to Trump supporters, but it feels like at this point nothing will make them see what everyone else sees.
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On April 10 2025 15:32 Falling wrote:Honestly, I think this is where we are at Trump's trade policies. + Show Spoiler +Anyone watch the Expanse? Trump is Marco Inaros. Doesn't matter what happens or how badly Marco's plan screws up. Whatever the results, it was always part of the plan even when it directly contradicts the plan. Which works with his followers until it doesn't. But I don't know what would shake the blind faith of the faithful at this point.
I think for some of them it's literally nothing. They will have shrines to him for the rest of their lives no matter what.
Otherwise, we need him to pick a fight with Pelosi or Hillary or someone like that and lose. Like an actual physical fight that he irrefutably starts for no reason on camera.
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On April 10 2025 15:32 Falling wrote:Honestly, I think this is where we are at Trump's trade policies. + Show Spoiler +Anyone watch the Expanse? Trump is Marco Inaros. Doesn't matter what happens or how badly Marco's plan screws up. Whatever the results, it was always part of the plan even when it directly contradicts the plan. Which works with his followers until it doesn't. But I don't know what would shake the blind faith of the faithful at this point.
This isn't exclusive to Trump, I've noticed it happen locally and in other cults. There's basically 3 groups:
1. The ones that made supporting the leader their identity. For them it's impossible to shake it off, Trump can snatch their family members off the street and throw them in an extra-judicial prison and they still support him. This is the smallest group.
2. The pragmatic ones that thought the leader will make their own life better and the life of their perceived enemies worse, and when they face significant personal hardship due to the leader's actions they start being critical of him. This is a somewhat larger group but still a minority.
3. The weathervanes, the ones that support the leader mostly because they see it as necessary to be agreeable with their communities. This is by far the largest group, they are entirely willing to turn on the leader but only if they're sure that's what the people around them want to do and that they won't get ostracized for it.
The problem is, especially now that communities are often online groups, that 2nd group aren't all turning on the leader at the same time but they do it 1-by-1 as they personally face consequences due to the leader's actions and the 1st group accuses them of being enemies/agitators/paid shills/etc and kicks them out 1-by-1.
This makes the large 3rd group inert, there's never any point where they perceive the majority of the community to want changing course, so they continue to be led towards the cliff by the 1st group
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From CNN regarding tariffs:
“We didn’t have access to lawyers or – it was just wrote up. We wrote it up from our hearts, right? It was written from the heart, and I think it was well written too, but it was written from the heart,” Trump said afterward, describing a process driven more by impulse than mapped-out strategy.
Even as Trump calmed the markets – for now, at least – he also raised new questions by suggesting he would consider exempting some US companies from tariffs, saying he would make any such decisions “instinctively.”
They have no plan at all.
I don’t think it will come as a surprise, but still…
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-tariffs-retreat-bond-market/index.html
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On April 10 2025 19:19 Timebon3s wrote:From CNN regarding tariffs: “We didn’t have access to lawyers or – it was just wrote up. We wrote it up from our hearts, right? It was written from the heart, and I think it was well written too, but it was written from the heart,” Trump said afterward, describing a process driven more by impulse than mapped-out strategy. Even as Trump calmed the markets – for now, at least – he also raised new questions by suggesting he would consider exempting some US companies from tariffs, saying he would make any such decisions “instinctively.” They have no plan at all. I don’t think it will come as a surprise, but still… https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-tariffs-retreat-bond-market/index.html sounds like Trump is just blatantly asking for companies if they want to bribe him to be exempt.
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On April 10 2025 19:27 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2025 19:19 Timebon3s wrote:From CNN regarding tariffs: “We didn’t have access to lawyers or – it was just wrote up. We wrote it up from our hearts, right? It was written from the heart, and I think it was well written too, but it was written from the heart,” Trump said afterward, describing a process driven more by impulse than mapped-out strategy. Even as Trump calmed the markets – for now, at least – he also raised new questions by suggesting he would consider exempting some US companies from tariffs, saying he would make any such decisions “instinctively.” They have no plan at all. I don’t think it will come as a surprise, but still… https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-tariffs-retreat-bond-market/index.html sounds like Trump is just blatantly asking for companies if they want to bribe him to be exempt.
makes sense. MAGA or America First perfectly translates to L'État, c'est moi currently.
//edit: just heard on the radio that there's a run on iPhones in the US due to upcoming orange tariffs. if you are in the market for a new one, gotta be quick!
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Honestly, markets seem delusional. The pause does not fix anything. At most, we will see a cycle in which tariffs come into effect unless Trump gets his bribe. There is no stability to this situation. Meanwhile, tariffs on China will still hurt a lot. There is no sign that Trump has realised how wrong he is or that his backers would remove him if things went forward.
It is interesting how, with Putin, there is talk about how concessions would be detrimental in the long run and thus not an option. Still, with others, it seems that concessions are totally fine and even considered necessary because of strategic reasons, etc.
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While I agree there's plenty of uncertainty but knowing trump and the need to save face, even in a complete reversal, it would be in the form of a indefinite pause. He wouldn't want the spotlight on the reversal.
As to the stock market, there's always Overaction of some form but never under reaction.
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All them retail trading apps suddenly stopping to work is also fishy as fuck.
The fake tweet from.. monday.. about the tariffs being paused... spiked the market.
Then the WH dissmissed this as fake news.
Only to make it true two days later.
Every retailer speculating was thrown off, but some people timed the +10% right by 20 Minutes... it's got to be insider trading.
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On April 10 2025 20:15 Legan wrote:
Honestly, markets seem delusional. The pause does not fix anything. At most, we will see a cycle in which tariffs come into effect unless Trump gets his bribe. There is no stability to this situation. Meanwhile, tariffs on China will still hurt a lot. There is no sign that Trump has realised how wrong he is or that his backers would remove him if things went forward.
It is interesting how, with Putin, there is talk about how concessions would be detrimental in the long run and thus not an option. Still, with others, it seems that concessions are totally fine and even considered necessary because of strategic reasons, etc.
The market is based on psychology, and now it’s based on people trying to understand the psychology of a complete moron.
So it’s not even remotely rational.
Nobody, not even Trump knows what he will do next.
You say the pause won’t fix anything. Someone else might think it will solve everything, because Trump won’t be stupid enough to start this crap over again. We simply don’t know if this is permanent or not.
The only thing we do know is that this creates uncertainty in the market and that is almost always negative.
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The market is based on people loving to gamble. Thats why it's not remotely rational.
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Well crap. Democrats were planning on Republicans not being able to pass a budget in the House again, but they did. Too bad Booker wasted that speech on not even filibustering.
Central to the budget plan is the Republican push to keep Trump's 2017 tax cuts while adding new ones—like no taxes on tipped wages and Social Security income—which could push the total cost to $7 trillion over a decade.
The package also includes roughly $175 billion for Trump's mass deportation plan and a similar boost for military spending.
To offset some costs, Republicans propose $2 trillion in cuts to domestic programs like health care
www.newsweek.com
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Northern Ireland27459 Posts
On April 10 2025 23:08 Velr wrote:
The market is based on people loving to gamble. Thats why it's not remotely rational.
That’s why it’s only legal in the US to trade stocks in the state of Nevada.
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United Kingdom10006 Posts
Trump announcing tariffs reminds me of Lemongrab from Adventure Time
"TEN THOUSAND YYYYYYYEAAARRRSS DUNGEON"
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Corporate america is complicit with trump, if you act up, you are unemployable in a visible position or a danger to the company if you still have a social media account.
So much for "freedom" in the USA.
So "leaving in protest" gives you one defiant headline and spotlight for about 12 seconds, until the next avalanche of bullshit comes from Badgolf Shitler.
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Reading up on the company that sold Zyklon B to Auschwitz this week was interesting. None of the indicted got longer than 8 years sentences, and many apparently did not know what went on in the camp even tho they had a factory inside the camps and had visited the camps personally. Quite a few were acquitted, and a few were released because of good behaviour and ended up in high industry positions. I don't think much has changed in how we would treat people related to similar violations. It is just so easy to claim that you did not know what was being done by the people you supported. I'm sure the world's richest standing next to each other at the inauguration will share amnesia about the event in the future. All will just be accidental, even if the results are catastrophic.
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