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On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent.
Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January.
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On July 14 2018 02:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent. Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January.
Um Obama? GOP congress came right out and said that they basically resist until the end to limit Obama and what he could accomplish. Dems just controlled congress for a while but once they got the House they shut that shit down.
Meanwhile Trump has his party incontrol of both houses and its been a clown fiesta from day 1 to even get basic shit done.
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On July 14 2018 02:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent. Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January. oh oh I know this.
Is the answer Obama?
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Obama had a democrat congress and senate on day 1. So yeah, try again.
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On July 14 2018 02:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:06 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. What the fuck are you talking about?? You are literally regurgitating Russian propaganda about American meddling in Ukraine perpetrating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dauntless like to regurgitate propaganda for all sorts of sources when it comes to his political views. Many of us still remember the day when he unknowingly posted the 14 words in this thread. Apparently you still don't understand what that conversation was about. You getting hoodwinked by a bunch of white nationalists into propagating their hateful, but cleaned up for the public, bullshit? Because that is literally what happened, Vox Day rehashed white nationalist propaganda and you reposted it thinking it was something new. He was paid to do it too. Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The MainstreamWe have read the emails. You got played. Like I said, you don't know what that conversation was about.
It seems to me like it's awfully easy to just repeat "you don't know what you're talking about", especially when you don't then explain why. Not terribly convincing. Most of us remember what happened.
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On July 14 2018 02:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. What the fuck are you talking about?? You are literally regurgitating Russian propaganda about American meddling in Ukraine perpetrating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You should be ashamed of yourself. I'm not sure what's so hard to believe about there being American influence in Ukrainian politics. As GH likes to point out, we have a rich history of meddling in the affairs of other countries. And as to the Ukraine specifically, there has been, dating back to the Bush years, significant pressure to push the Ukraine into the EU/NATO as a means of further containing Russia.
here's a short history of Ukraine in recent years. Viktor Yanukovych was president of Ukraine from 2010 to 2014. He was elected in 2010 with the help of none other than good old Paul Manafort, who was paid millions by Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska for his work with Yanukovych. Yanukovych immediately set about jailing his political opponents and acting like a thug in general. He sought closer ties with Russia and an abandonment of ties to the West. He was ousted from power in 2014 after he canceled a deal between the EU and Ukraine, sparking massive protests. Yanukovych then fled to Russia where he has remained ever since. Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea later that same year.
The coup that ousted Yanukovych had nothing to do with America and everything to do with the fact that Yanukovych is a thug who is closely connected to Russian intelligence. The only people who pretend otherwise are organizations like Sputnik News and RT, which are literal Russian propaganda. Don't help them spread their lies.
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On July 14 2018 02:34 xDaunt wrote:
Obama had a democrat congress and senate on day 1. So yeah, try again.
Trump had a GOP congress day 1 lol.
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On July 14 2018 02:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:06 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. What the fuck are you talking about?? You are literally regurgitating Russian propaganda about American meddling in Ukraine perpetrating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dauntless like to regurgitate propaganda for all sorts of sources when it comes to his political views. Many of us still remember the day when he unknowingly posted the 14 words in this thread. Apparently you still don't understand what that conversation was about. You getting hoodwinked by a bunch of white nationalists into propagating their hateful, but cleaned up for the public, bullshit? Because that is literally what happened, Vox Day rehashed white nationalist propaganda and you reposted it thinking it was something new. He was paid to do it too. Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The MainstreamWe have read the emails. You got played. Like I said, you don't know what that conversation was about.
That you explained your views about race and culture in the US by unknowingly posting white nationalist propaganda. And to this day have never really addressed that fact beyond telling people they don’t get it.
Personally, when I find out my views are anything close to what white nationalist believe, I take a moment and dig into exactly how I came to those beliefs and if I want to continue to hold them. But that is just me.
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On July 14 2018 02:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent. Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January.
The guy has the presidency, a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate and arguably a majority on the Supreme Court. What resistance is there really? Blame the Republican Party if they can't pass anything, there are enough red state Democrats that are clearing willing to work with the administration.
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On July 14 2018 02:34 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:34 xDaunt wrote:
Obama had a democrat congress and senate on day 1. So yeah, try again. Trump had a GOP congress day 1 lol.
But some of them are the bad Republicans that don’t do everything the president says, unlike Obama and the democrat…wait, no the Democrats didn’t listen either.
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On July 14 2018 02:35 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:30 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent. Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January. The guy has the presidency, a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate and arguably a majority on the Supreme Court. What resistance is there really? Blame the Republican Party if they can't pass anything, there are enough red state Democrats that are clearing willing to work with the administration.
That's exactly my point. Trump was at odds with a huge chunk of the GOP when he was elected, and that's before we consider the Democrats or the madness that is the Russian conspiracy stuff.
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The RINO's are infidels for failing to get on their knees, for the various reasons they would need to get on their knees. That's the only resistance I can think of.
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On July 14 2018 02:37 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:35 Womwomwom wrote:On July 14 2018 02:30 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent. Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January. The guy has the presidency, a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate and arguably a majority on the Supreme Court. What resistance is there really? Blame the Republican Party if they can't pass anything, there are enough red state Democrats that are clearing willing to work with the administration. That's exactly my point. Trump was at odds with a huge chunk of the GOP when he was elected, and that's before we consider the Democrats or the madness that is the Russian conspiracy stuff.
Rofl, how can you still parrot this after the press conference you linked us to today? There's literally a growing pile of evidence that the conspiracy is real.
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On July 14 2018 02:34 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:27 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:06 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:
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He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. What the fuck are you talking about?? You are literally regurgitating Russian propaganda about American meddling in Ukraine perpetrating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dauntless like to regurgitate propaganda for all sorts of sources when it comes to his political views. Many of us still remember the day when he unknowingly posted the 14 words in this thread. Apparently you still don't understand what that conversation was about. You getting hoodwinked by a bunch of white nationalists into propagating their hateful, but cleaned up for the public, bullshit? Because that is literally what happened, Vox Day rehashed white nationalist propaganda and you reposted it thinking it was something new. He was paid to do it too. Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The MainstreamWe have read the emails. You got played. Like I said, you don't know what that conversation was about. It seems to me like it's awfully easy to just repeat "you don't know what you're talking about", especially when you don't then explain why. Not terribly convincing. Most of us remember what happened.
Yes, I'm sure y'all have certain memories and impressions of what happened, but I highly doubt that most of you really understood what was actually being discussed and the point that was being made. And I don't really care to revisit it given that y'all aren't up to the conversation.
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On July 14 2018 02:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:06 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. What the fuck are you talking about?? You are literally regurgitating Russian propaganda about American meddling in Ukraine perpetrating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dauntless like to regurgitate propaganda for all sorts of sources when it comes to his political views. Many of us still remember the day when he unknowingly posted the 14 words in this thread. Apparently you still don't understand what that conversation was about. You getting hoodwinked by a bunch of white nationalists into propagating their hateful, but cleaned up for the public, bullshit? Because that is literally what happened, Vox Day rehashed white nationalist propaganda and you reposted it thinking it was something new. He was paid to do it too. Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The MainstreamWe have read the emails. You got played. Like I said, you don't know what that conversation was about. Just to refresh things here for people this is your actual words in question.So let me start by addressing why Vox Day's 14th Point ("The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.") is not about white supremacy. Source
You literally tried to claim the 14 words were not about white supremacy.
There are no if's or but's about it.
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Denying that the EU tried to get Ukraine into the Nato/EU.and that Russia could (and should) see this as an act of agression is obviously stupid. Its not like the whole Ukraine was super enthusiastic about the EU/Nato.
This obviously doesn't make Russia the good guy by any stretch, but its not like they acted totally unreasonable.
Everyone handled the Ukraine situation very, very badly and it led to one of the worst outcomes there could be. Arguing for clear good/bad guys on this topic is just way too simple.
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On July 14 2018 02:39 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:37 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:35 Womwomwom wrote:On July 14 2018 02:30 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:Q: How can you improve relations with Russia when they have illegally occupied another country?
Trump says that happened when Obama was president. He says he does not think Putin would have done that if Trump had been president. He says, if you look at what he has done, no other president has done so much. Crimea was an Obama disaster.
He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. I don't think tough is the right word. Erratic more like. Sure there are things he's followed through on (tariffs) but there are also things he's rolled over on (tariffs). There isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to his strategies, and people who support him have a tendency to connect the dots as the see fit. Fewer Presidents have gotten less done in their first year or so in office than Trump. Seems like the guy is pretty impotent. Again, how many presidents have had to deal with the resistance -- from day one -- that Trump has had to deal with? The only president that immediately comes to mind without researching it is Lincoln (and he was obviously in a worse position). Let's see what happens when the new congress shows up in January. The guy has the presidency, a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate and arguably a majority on the Supreme Court. What resistance is there really? Blame the Republican Party if they can't pass anything, there are enough red state Democrats that are clearing willing to work with the administration. That's exactly my point. Trump was at odds with a huge chunk of the GOP when he was elected, and that's before we consider the Democrats or the madness that is the Russian conspiracy stuff. Rofl, how can you still parrot this after the press conference you linked us to today? There's literally a growing pile of evidence that the conspiracy is real.
When I talk about the "Russian conspiracy stuff," I'm referring to the allegation that Trump colluded with Russians or is otherwise a Russian tool. I have never really doubted that the Russians engaged in various espionage activities during the last election.
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On July 14 2018 02:34 xDaunt wrote:
Obama had a democrat congress and senate on day 1. So yeah, try again.
That brought healthcare, when this was done he didn't anymore.
Russia infiltrated trumps campaign, thats pretty much undeniable at this point. If it was stupidity or calculated on his very own part is the big question.
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On July 14 2018 02:41 Velr wrote:
Denying that the EU tried to get Ukraine into the Nato/EU.and that Russia could (and should) see this as an act of agression is obviously stupid. Its not like the whole Ukraine was super enthusiastic about the EU/Nato.
This obviously doesn't make Russia the good guy by any stretch, but its not like they acted totally unreasonable.
Everyone handled the Ukraine situation very, very badly and it led to one of the worst outcomes there could be. Arguing for clear good/bad guys on this topic is just way too simple. And Russia's reaction showed that the Ukraine's fear and desire to join Nato was completely justified.
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On July 14 2018 02:40 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:27 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 02:06 Plansix wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:55 m4ini wrote:On July 14 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote:On July 14 2018 01:46 m4ini wrote:
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He literally said that. I don't see what's wrong with Trump's statement. He's clearly stating that Russia invaded Ukraine because it knew that Obama was a weak president, and that Putin wouldn't have tried it on Trump's watch. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows that Trump has far more resolve than Obama. How twisted of a mind would you need to have to actually believe that? Russia would've invaded Ukraine either way, because there's jack shit the US can do about it. To argue otherwise is disgustingly disingenuous. Trump would've done nothing different, or do you actually think someone believes that he'd go to war with russia? I don't really know whether Russia would have done it on Trump's watch or if Trump would have responded militarily. All that I am saying is that Trump is clearly tougher than Obama. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that Obama likely precipitated the Russian invasion of Ukraine with his meddling in Ukrainian politics. So Russia's invasion of the Ukraine wasn't simply about Obama perceived weakness to the extent that was part of Russia's calculation. What the fuck are you talking about?? You are literally regurgitating Russian propaganda about American meddling in Ukraine perpetrating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dauntless like to regurgitate propaganda for all sorts of sources when it comes to his political views. Many of us still remember the day when he unknowingly posted the 14 words in this thread. Apparently you still don't understand what that conversation was about. You getting hoodwinked by a bunch of white nationalists into propagating their hateful, but cleaned up for the public, bullshit? Because that is literally what happened, Vox Day rehashed white nationalist propaganda and you reposted it thinking it was something new. He was paid to do it too. Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The MainstreamWe have read the emails. You got played. Like I said, you don't know what that conversation was about. Just to refresh things here for people this is your actual words in question. Show nested quote +So let me start by addressing why Vox Day's 14th Point ("The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.") is not about white supremacy. SourceYou literally tried to claim the 14 words were not about white supremacy. There are no if's or but's about it.
Yep, you still are missing the point. Here's a hint: it's about taking identity politics to its logical conclusion, and it's not unique to the white race.
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