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Billyboy
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BlackJack
United States10183 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23866 Posts
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KT_Elwood
718 Posts
"Hey you, Millenials, you ain't getting shit! HEHEHEHEH" | ||
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
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KT_Elwood
718 Posts
Pensions, Healthcare.. wealth.. they have it all in the bag, and despite the angry rhetoric.. trump won't hurt millionaires like him. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9348 Posts
On December 18 2024 07:30 Zambrah wrote: I'm very comforted to see Democrats have committed to not changing anything about how they operate whatsoever They didn't listen to what people wanted before, I don't see why they would accept any responsibility for the people not wanting what they decided to offer. They looked around, saw that the people wanted change, and accordingly said "Stupid Americans, we're going to keep everything as it is. Shut up and vote for us now, dickheads" What else could they have possibly done? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
Democrats are hopeless as a party. | ||
micronesia
United States24579 Posts
On December 18 2024 07:48 Jockmcplop wrote: They didn't listen to what people wanted before, I don't see why they would accept any responsibility for the people not wanting what they decided to offer. They looked around, saw that the people wanted change, and accordingly said "Stupid Americans, we're going to keep everything as it is. Shut up and vote for us now, dickheads" What else could they have possibly done? You are overusing the word "people" here I think. There are plenty of "people" who are Democrats and generally support the current direction of the party. The common sentiments about the party in this thread do not represent the overwhelming view of the people, or at least not yet. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
Like damn, the dude they passed up AOC for is ancient and has cancer, the only perk here is that hes not likely to wind up a Diane Feinsten since he has cancer. | ||
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micronesia
United States24579 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9348 Posts
On December 18 2024 08:50 micronesia wrote: You are overusing the word "people" here I think. There are plenty of "people" who are Democrats and generally support the current direction of the party. The common sentiments about the party in this thread do not represent the overwhelming view of the people, or at least not yet. Okay, I don't disagree, but its shorthand for 'people, on average, are moving in the direction of wanting change' | ||
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
On December 18 2024 10:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Okay, I don't disagree, but its shorthand for 'people, on average, are moving in the direction of wanting change' I think change is underselling it, Democrats offer change, just change in it's most minute inoffensive to monied interests form. If theres one thing we can take from the Healthcare CEO Killer (I like the Claims Adjustor nickname personally) its that there is a ton of bitter resentment in the US towards many of our largest institutions. Trump's win is maybe even more indicative, people do not want more status quo shit, the status quo sucks, reality does not feel good and Democrats being scolds and going, "nah but this chart says your life is better so shut up and vote for us," is not an inspiring message. Democrats have this incredible tendency to be both just effectual enough to feel insulting and also have a grating attitude and aversion to listening to anyone other than their donors and consultants. They're a perfect storm of insufferable and frankly I think that if they'd take more steps to get away from the elements that reinforce this that they'd do a hell of a lot better electorally. If they actually dramatically exercised power when they got it they might even be good at combating the rising fascist tide. Alas, they look like they'll really do anything and let anything happen if it means they do what the money wants. | ||
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Billyboy
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Fleetfeet
Canada2478 Posts
On December 18 2024 10:31 Billyboy wrote: Seems shrewd to me. These people tend to end up super unpopular. Let some old guy take the heat and leave AOC free to be AOC. Would have been super short sighted to waste her on this. This is loosely where I end up, too. If the position is/was meaningful and actually granted power of some sort, then AOC being passed up is a bit of a loss. If it isn't, then keeping AOC off the front line makes some sense for now. It does feel naive of me to believe the dems would want to frontline AOC at any point though. | ||
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oBlade
United States5294 Posts
On December 18 2024 03:02 Sermokala wrote: Where did you get the idea anyone thinks of him as a public enterprise? So when I said "in no mythology that I know of is Santa Claus portrayed as a public enterprise" you took that to mean "Santa Claus is portrayed as a public enterprise." Super. He's not, and people don't, because people besides Democrats know not to stake their bets on the public sector. On December 18 2024 03:02 Sermokala wrote: The myth is very clearly about an entity using constant mass surveillance to enforce an ambiguous moral system through positive and negative reinforcement regardless of wealth or social class. It tells kids of poor parents that if they were morally good enough they would get presents and its because they are not morally good enough they don't deserve Christmas presents. The reality is much worse, parents are all but forced to join in on a massive lie to their children in order to explain their ability to provide for their children gifts they are then socially pressured to purchase for them. Apparently, the government trying to protect the supply of masks for a few weeks to avoid a supply chain collapse in strategic supplies will shatter the trust the people have in the government but lying to your children for most of their childhood isn't a problem and won't effect your children's trust in you. You lie to your children because its perceived to be in their best interest to incentivize them to act morally good but god forbid the government act in your best interest in the middle of the plague to save lives. In a government of, for, and by the people, what you're describing would be people lying to themselves, which is delusion. In the case of a government not of, for, and by the people, I don't need to go any further to explain the problem with that situation. The government, unlike Santa Claus, is real. On December 18 2024 03:02 Sermokala wrote: If republicans believed in altruism and charity they would be for programs that helped people and the economy at the same time. They want to round up tens of millions of people who pay into the system and contribute to the economy and send them... well that's never described but they're super happy about the rounding up and putting them into camps stage. Explain to me how mass deportation corresponds to altruism and charity, please? While the government is real, it remains of suspect utility as regards charity. Because they are fundamentally different concepts. Charity is about being generous to others with what YOU have. The government is about spending what EVERYONE had until it became the government's on a magic date in the middle of April. But I agree fundamentally you're correct, charity is the highest and only good in the world, which is why your door is open to homeless people to stay with you ad libitum. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On December 18 2024 10:31 Billyboy wrote: Seems shrewd to me. These people tend to end up super unpopular. Let some old guy take the heat and leave AOC free to be AOC. Would have been super short sighted to waste her on this. This is incredible logic. Lol over/under on when Democrats retake the presidency? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On December 18 2024 23:49 mierin wrote: This is incredible logic. Lol over/under on when Democrats retake the presidency? I don't think they will. Felt the same way about Republicans after Bush though. So if Democrats have the sort of hostile takeover Trump did to Republicans maybe they could win it back, but I'm doubtful. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43799 Posts
On December 18 2024 23:49 mierin wrote: This is incredible logic. Lol over/under on when Democrats retake the presidency? While I don't necessarily agree with Billyboy's logic, it's obviously a pretty safe bet to guess that Democrats will retake the presidency in either 2028 or 2032, given that the parties rarely serve three terms in a row. They generally flip back and forth. Of course, that doesn't mean that the Democratic leadership will have necessarily learned any important lessons about the previous 8+ years. | ||
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