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@Legan, it's an effect of FPTP voting. Heavily disincentivizes 3rd parties as it splits your votes and empowers the people you like the least. Most people agree that it's bad, which is why modern democracies don't do it that way, but legacy systems are extremely difficult to replace.
@GH I wouldn't put any stock into that survey. 3 years away is a long time for people to figure out the next candidate. People were just on the Harris train and still haven't jumped off. Polls like that even right before the primary often fail to predict the final candidate.
@Zambrah if you (and others on the left) want a non-centrist, non-corporatist candidate to win, then it's time to start putting in the work now. Get leftists registered with the Democrat party (in states that require registering ahead of time). Get a ground game going for a disruptive candidate. The people currently in charge of the party won't like it, but they'll capitulate when you out vote them and then they'll roll over and mostly support your candidate. At a congressional level, it happened with AOC... she beat generic Democrat #234 and he turned around and supported her. On the right, it happened with Donald Trump... you see all the spineless career politicians who go against everything they "believed in" and now support Trump.
That's the winning play, but the left has to actually have votes to do it. If you count Jill Stein and "Other candidates" as all being leftist, you barely break 1 million votes. Better hope there are plenty of leftists that bit the bullet and voted Harris or else there really just aren't very many of you. At least not many that can be bothered to vote.
On November 27 2024 15:26 Zambrah wrote: Not usually one to listen to Pod Save America, but they had on Harris' campaign staff, so I wanted to see if they might have learned something and no, no they have not.
To save you an hour and a half of your time,
They learned nothing, their failure was just because they were limited on time, they totally do not regret trying to swing Republican voters and believe it is fully and completely essential to winning and are almost assuredly going to keep doing it assuming these ghoulish jackasses aren't fired, which lol, sure doesn't seem likely given how the DNC operates.
Democrats will never learn anything, I swear to christ.
There should be a reasonably open Democrat primary for the 2028 election. Whoever wins will bring their people with and those people at least have good enough ideas to win a Democrat primary, something Harris and her crew never did. Granted, she likely inherited a bunch from Biden and there was probably some carryover from his 2020 campaign where he won an open primary. Still, her people likely outnumbered and shouted down those who actually knew how to run a campaign as it seemed that everything after the Convention was pretty bad. Totally squandered the initial hype.
It'll be another bland corporate charisma void centrist and they'll run on appealing to moderate Republican swing voters and trust us guys itll totally work this time this is the winning strategy!
Her people were the people who ran the campaigns from Obama 'til now, candidates aren't bringing their own super unique campaign teams, theyre all the same set of DNC ghouls. Democrats are gonna run back their same dipshit strategy and same dipshit methodology over and over until this entire sect of people is driven out of their position managing Democrat campaigns.
It might just be the exact same one... Democrats are pretty damn hopeless.
@Legan, it's an effect of FPTP voting. Heavily disincentivizes 3rd parties as it splits your votes and empowers the people you like the least. Most people agree that it's bad, which is why modern democracies don't do it that way, but legacy systems are extremely difficult to replace.
@GH I wouldn't put any stock into that survey. 3 years away is a long time for people to figure out the next candidate. People were just on the Harris train and still haven't jumped off. Polls like that even right before the primary often fail to predict the final candidate.
@Zambrah if you (and others on the left) want a non-centrist, non-corporatist candidate to win, then it's time to start putting in the work now. Get leftists registered with the Democrat party (in states that require registering ahead of time). Get a ground game going for a disruptive candidate. The people currently in charge of the party won't like it, but they'll capitulate when you out vote them and then they'll roll over and mostly support your candidate. At a congressional level, it happened with AOC... she beat generic Democrat #234 and he turned around and supported her. On the right, it happened with Donald Trump... you see all the spineless career politicians who go against everything they "believed in" and now support Trump.
That's the winning play, but the left has to actually have votes to do it. If you count Jill Stein and "Other candidates" as all being leftist, you barely break 1 million votes. Better hope there are plenty of leftists that bit the bullet and voted Harris or else there really just aren't very many of you. At least not many that can be bothered to vote.
There's not even a promising prospect on the list.
They don't support AOC, she supports them, so they tolerate her for now. I vaguely remember her exposing something about how congress invites lobbyists to buy up all the new members shortly after she joined. Then they let her know to stop that kind of stuff and she's basically fallen in line with the party she joined to change since. With perhaps some insignificant flashes of controlled opposition.
Democrats already blew it letting Trump get reelected. The party is functionally dead and just refuses to accept it yet.
Another W for the former WWE Personality and TV Show Host.
The Canadian leaders are doing the right thing. If Mexico's leadership is talking tough I am not sure that is the right move.
Asmongold joked recently... We need a wall between Canada and the USA to prevent the influx of all thr unethically subsidized Quebec made garbage video games from getting into America
In conclusion, Canada needs to do better. Step #1 is a smarter PM and smarter Finance Minister. The 2 intellectual light weights running the country are in over their heads.
As a Canadian I'm pretty dissatisfied with how our leaders are handling this right now.
Last time Trump was in power, he threw a bunch of tariffs on things (2018 and 2019). You know what our leaders did back then? We put some tariffs on things in return. A tit-for-tat situation, that eventually lead to Trump's team backing down and the removal of these stupid tariffs before it escalated further. Trump claimed he was going to release information on what concessions he gained from it, but there wasn't anything. Nothing happened other than it pissed off a bunch of people on either side of the border. It cost certain companies a bunch of money on either side of the border. It wasted a bunch of time for a lot of people on both sides of the border and we ended up right where we started. It was an exercise in stupidity.
Trump campaigned on doing stuff like this again. And enough of y'all voted for him that it seems like you want this stupidity to continue for at least another 4 years. Thanks.....
On November 27 2024 15:26 Zambrah wrote: Not usually one to listen to Pod Save America, but they had on Harris' campaign staff, so I wanted to see if they might have learned something and no, no they have not.
They learned nothing, their failure was just because they were limited on time, they totally do not regret trying to swing Republican voters and believe it is fully and completely essential to winning and are almost assuredly going to keep doing it assuming these ghoulish jackasses aren't fired, which lol, sure doesn't seem likely given how the DNC operates.
Democrats will never learn anything, I swear to christ.
There should be a reasonably open Democrat primary for the 2028 election. Whoever wins will bring their people with and those people at least have good enough ideas to win a Democrat primary, something Harris and her crew never did. Granted, she likely inherited a bunch from Biden and there was probably some carryover from his 2020 campaign where he won an open primary. Still, her people likely outnumbered and shouted down those who actually knew how to run a campaign as it seemed that everything after the Convention was pretty bad. Totally squandered the initial hype.
It'll be another bland corporate charisma void centrist and they'll run on appealing to moderate Republican swing voters and trust us guys itll totally work this time this is the winning strategy!
Her people were the people who ran the campaigns from Obama 'til now, candidates aren't bringing their own super unique campaign teams, theyre all the same set of DNC ghouls. Democrats are gonna run back their same dipshit strategy and same dipshit methodology over and over until this entire sect of people is driven out of their position managing Democrat campaigns.
It might just be the exact same one... Democrats are pretty damn hopeless.
@Legan, it's an effect of FPTP voting. Heavily disincentivizes 3rd parties as it splits your votes and empowers the people you like the least. Most people agree that it's bad, which is why modern democracies don't do it that way, but legacy systems are extremely difficult to replace.
@GH I wouldn't put any stock into that survey. 3 years away is a long time for people to figure out the next candidate. People were just on the Harris train and still haven't jumped off. Polls like that even right before the primary often fail to predict the final candidate.
@Zambrah if you (and others on the left) want a non-centrist, non-corporatist candidate to win, then it's time to start putting in the work now. Get leftists registered with the Democrat party (in states that require registering ahead of time). Get a ground game going for a disruptive candidate. The people currently in charge of the party won't like it, but they'll capitulate when you out vote them and then they'll roll over and mostly support your candidate. At a congressional level, it happened with AOC... she beat generic Democrat #234 and he turned around and supported her. On the right, it happened with Donald Trump... you see all the spineless career politicians who go against everything they "believed in" and now support Trump.
That's the winning play, but the left has to actually have votes to do it. If you count Jill Stein and "Other candidates" as all being leftist, you barely break 1 million votes. Better hope there are plenty of leftists that bit the bullet and voted Harris or else there really just aren't very many of you. At least not many that can be bothered to vote.
There's not even a promising prospect on the list.
They don't support AOC, she supports them, so they tolerate her for now. I vaguely remember her exposing something about how congress invites lobbyists to buy up all the new members shortly after she joined. Then they let her know to stop that kind of stuff and she's basically fallen in line with the party she joined to change since. With perhaps some insignificant flashes of controlled opposition.
Democrats already blew it letting Trump get reelected. The party is functionally dead and just refuses to accept it yet.
Then use the next 3 years to find a candidate and push him or her. Who cares what their "list" is? If you want Cornel West, then get leftists behind him and make a run for the Democrat primary. People will oppose him. So what? People opposed Trump and he just plowed ahead anyways. People will say you're throwing away your vote by voting him. So what? People said that Clinton was going to crush Trump and a vote on him would be wasted. Enough people voted for him anyways.
The victim complex isn't doing any good. Victimhood is not a virtue. Instead, you could actually throw your support behind a candidate for the next 3 years. Despite being a vocal critic of the two main parties, you never actually said who you supported this past election on this semi-anonymous message forum. Of course, if you did that, you'd have to contend with the simple fact that your candidate (and what you're pushing) is not popular.
@RenSC2 Yes, FPTP pushes towards it heavily, but it seems like the political culture of the USA enforces it heavily too, regardless of how shitty candidates they have. Voting for a specific party is a part of identity for many in the USA. Without this culture, I don't think people would care much about voting suboptimally.
On November 28 2024 05:56 Legan wrote: @RenSC2 Yes, FPTP pushes towards it heavily, but it seems like the political culture of the USA enforces it heavily too, regardless of how shitty candidates they have. Voting for a specific party is a part of identity for many in the USA. Without this culture, I don't think people would care much about voting suboptimally.
It's one of the few things both parties agree on and work together to shut down at basically any and every opportunity.
It's easier to recognize this if you understand Republicans and Democrats as two factions of a singular US capitalist party.
If Democrats are right about Trump, then their primary won't matter because Trump will have taken away their capacity to remove him/his replacement electorally. If Democrats were wrong about Trump, the centrists they'll inevitably chase aren't going to believe their fearmongering in 2028, and they will lose.
Democrats are a dead party and the sooner people recognize that and move on the better hope we have to survive this growing wave of fascism globally.
On November 28 2024 05:56 Legan wrote: @RenSC2 Yes, FPTP pushes towards it heavily, but it seems like the political culture of the USA enforces it heavily too, regardless of how shitty candidates they have. Voting for a specific party is a part of identity for many in the USA. Without this culture, I don't think people would care much about voting suboptimally.
It's one of the few things both parties agree on and work together to shut down at basically any and every opportunity.
It's easier to recognize this if you understand Republicans and Democrats as two factions of a singular US capitalist party.
If Democrats are right about Trump, then their primary won't matter because Trump will have taken away their capacity to remove him/his replacement electorally. If Democrats were wrong about Trump, the centrists they'll inevitably chase aren't going to believe their fearmongering in 2028, and they will lose.
Democrats are a dead party and the sooner people recognize that and move on the better hope we have to survive this growing wave of fascism globally.
Alternatively, things have to hurt under Trump for his supporters to realize it was a mistake. I don't want it to, as any hiccup in the US economy will inevitably affect us in Canada, and ultimately while I forsee a bad few years I really hope I'm wrong. I have friends and family in the USA and I don't want to see anything bad happen to them. My work also does a lot for American companies, so problems in the USA would inevitably affect my work too.
On November 28 2024 05:56 Legan wrote: @RenSC2 Yes, FPTP pushes towards it heavily, but it seems like the political culture of the USA enforces it heavily too, regardless of how shitty candidates they have. Voting for a specific party is a part of identity for many in the USA. Without this culture, I don't think people would care much about voting suboptimally.
It's one of the few things both parties agree on and work together to shut down at basically any and every opportunity.
It's easier to recognize this if you understand Republicans and Democrats as two factions of a singular US capitalist party.
If Democrats are right about Trump, then their primary won't matter because Trump will have taken away their capacity to remove him/his replacement electorally. If Democrats were wrong about Trump, the centrists they'll inevitably chase aren't going to believe their fearmongering in 2028, and they will lose.
Democrats are a dead party and the sooner people recognize that and move on the better hope we have to survive this growing wave of fascism globally.
Alternatively, things have to hurt under Trump for his supporters to realize it was a mistake. I don't want it to, as any hiccup in the US economy will inevitably affect us in Canada, and ultimately while I forsee a bad few years I really hope I'm wrong. I have friends and family in the USA and I don't want to see anything bad happen to them. My work also does a lot for American companies, so problems in the USA would inevitably affect my work too.
Trump is remarkably incompetent. A lot of his lackeys are too. It's impossible to know for sure what's coming, but however bad it ends up being, I wouldn't bet on his supporters realizing they made a mistake. Far more likely every bad thing is "proof" of how deep Democrats failures have been and reinforcing evidence of why Trump&co have to round more people up/crack down harder on their "enemies from within".
yea i wanted to say the same thing but it sounded more offensive, so i gave up. he broadcasted his plans. they voted for it. they didn’t know then, they aren’t about to learn.
Another W for the former WWE Personality and TV Show Host.
The Canadian leaders are doing the right thing. If Mexico's leadership is talking tough I am not sure that is the right move.
Asmongold joked recently... We need a wall between Canada and the USA to prevent the influx of all thr unethically subsidized Quebec made garbage video games from getting into America
In conclusion, Canada needs to do better. Step #1 is a smarter PM and smarter Finance Minister. The 2 intellectual light weights running the country are in over their heads.
As a Canadian I'm pretty dissatisfied with how our leaders are handling this right now. ... Trump campaigned on doing stuff like this again. And enough of y'all voted for him that it seems like you want this stupidity to continue for at least another 4 years. Thanks.....
i moved to the USA permanently ~12 years ago. you might as well MAID me if you ever catch me taking the word "you" and the word "all" and contracting them.
You might feel dissatisfied, however, I think it is the correct course of action. Doug Ford fired back slightly stating Mexico and Canada are not the same and should not lumped in together. Even the BC Premier folded like a lawn chair today. I guess that's the end of experimenting with the decriminalization of Fentanyl in BC.
Thanksgiving is now upon us. I'd like to remind Americans that similar to many great American things from Basketball to the Telephone ... Canada invented Thanksgiving. Source
On November 28 2024 08:51 brian wrote: yea i wanted to say the same thing but it sounded more offensive, so i gave up. he broadcasted his plans. they voted for it. they didn’t know then, they aren’t about to learn.
economically, that is. where it’ll ’hurt.’
Except people won’t own the ‘Hm I made a mistake tariffs were actually a bad idea and maybe I shouldn’t have backed Mr Tariff Man’
Hitting my Brexit mention quota of the day but when the exact same things happened economically that were warned as effectively inevitable consequences of voting that way, it didn’t precipitate much soul-searching. Instead it was still the usual ‘Europe is trying to hold us down’ nonsense
Let’s say Trump actually does follow through on some of this stuff, and tbh I’m not actually sure he will, there will be some kind of third party blamed
I mean obviously there will be exceptions but I highly doubt we’ll see some mass kind of acceptance that folks backed the wrong horse in this domain
I found a fantastic examination of American "Cancel Culture" in 1981 on youtube. The censorship themes remain today. Weaponized Economic boycotts. Leveraging threats against advertisers etc. What is artistic freedom? and what should be deemed illegal and/or inappropriate content for children. It is really cool to see it go down in 1981. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0742616/
Dr. Hollier did not come in here and say `we don't like the music your company broadcasts and we're not going to listen to it` he said `we do not like the music you broadcast and we do not want any one to hear it`
The turning point occurs when the religious leader wants John Lennon's song "Imagine" banned. It contains zero foul language.
The episode begins at 1 hour, 9 minutes and 56 seconds. I believe the Handheld Baseball game being played by the Station Manager is Entex Electronic Baseball.
Trump is already working to undermine America's future. Biden's student loan forgiveness largely failed, but partly succeeded. It's a bad situation. Trump wants to make sure it fails completely. This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
“Seventy percent of the illegal weapons seized from criminals in Mexico come from your country. We do not produce these weapons, nor do we consume synthetic drugs. Tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours,” she said, claiming that Mexico has “seized tons of various types of drugs, 10,340 firearms, and have detained 15,640 individuals for violence related to drug trafficking.”
The demand is not just in the USA though. British Columbia has a 3 year pilot program decriminalizing Fentanyl, cocaine etc. BC's leadership believes this will remove the stigma from hard drug use. I wonder if Mexico and the USA will have something to say about BC, Canada becoming a big centre of demand for stuff like cocaine, heroin , and fentanyl.
The decriminalizing of fentanyl was already costing BC MPPs their jobs before this latest edict by Trump. If BC outright reverses course on this 3 year experiment look for Trump to take credit for it. LOL.
On November 28 2024 09:07 WombaT wrote: Let’s say Trump actually does follow through on some of this stuff, and tbh I’m not actually sure he will, there will be some kind of third party blamed
the tariffs contravene NAFTA. Trump won't implement them. Trump makes cable TV is entertaining though. "Make CNN Ratings Great Again"
On November 28 2024 22:25 Magic Powers wrote: This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
Fortunately, the 4 year degree no longer has the credibility it had 20 years ago. Just as one alternative example, young people now study and pass the Actuarial Exams without going to university. They get instantly acknowledged as math geniuses and the exams are ~$400 each. There is no need to pay for a single university course.
On November 28 2024 22:25 Magic Powers wrote: Trump is already working to undermine America's future. Biden's student loan forgiveness largely failed, but partly succeeded. It's a bad situation. Trump wants to make sure it fails completely. This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
bolded - That is factually incorrect. If you voluntarily take a loan/mortgage it is only fair to be obligated to pay it back. What is unfair is to erase debt of some of the debtors, but not erase the debt of others.
On November 28 2024 22:25 Magic Powers wrote: Trump is already working to undermine America's future. Biden's student loan forgiveness largely failed, but partly succeeded. It's a bad situation. Trump wants to make sure it fails completely. This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
bolded - That is factually incorrect. If you voluntarily take a loan/mortgage it is only fair to be obligated to pay it back. What is unfair is to erase debt of some of the debtors, but not erase the debt of others.
What could be fair though is to erase the debt of all current debtors, despite the fact that previous debtors have already paid.
On November 28 2024 22:25 Magic Powers wrote: Trump is already working to undermine America's future. Biden's student loan forgiveness largely failed, but partly succeeded. It's a bad situation. Trump wants to make sure it fails completely. This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
bolded - That is factually incorrect. If you voluntarily take a loan/mortgage it is only fair to be obligated to pay it back. What is unfair is to erase debt of some of the debtors, but not erase the debt of others.
People also take loans from loan sharks. Do you think those are fair?
On November 28 2024 22:25 Magic Powers wrote: Trump is already working to undermine America's future. Biden's student loan forgiveness largely failed, but partly succeeded. It's a bad situation. Trump wants to make sure it fails completely. This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
bolded - That is factually incorrect. If you voluntarily take a loan/mortgage it is only fair to be obligated to pay it back. What is unfair is to erase debt of some of the debtors, but not erase the debt of others.
People also take loans from loan sharks. Do you think those are fair?
In short: If they taken voluntarily and conditions of such loan are known beforehand, then yes.
On November 28 2024 22:25 Magic Powers wrote: Trump is already working to undermine America's future. Biden's student loan forgiveness largely failed, but partly succeeded. It's a bad situation. Trump wants to make sure it fails completely. This would hurt many students far down the line, and in doing so it would further hurt the working class, especially together with the increased taxation on the lower classes.
bolded - That is factually incorrect. If you voluntarily take a loan/mortgage it is only fair to be obligated to pay it back. What is unfair is to erase debt of some of the debtors, but not erase the debt of others.
People also take loans from loan sharks. Do you think those are fair?
In short: If they taken voluntarily and conditions of such loan are known beforehand, then yes.
90% of University undergrad is a BS waste of time. It is hilarious how bad the average American University student is with basic arithmetic and rudimentary math. The great thing is... its easy to quickly test math ability during a job interview. Who needs these "higher learning institutions"?
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