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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
November 04 2024 12:19 GMT
#90081
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

For Putin specifically I mean, if anyone actually believes he wants Harris to win, I have some very exciting time share opportunities I’d love to extend.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10881 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-04 12:35:31
November 04 2024 12:31 GMT
#90082
On November 04 2024 20:15 Uldridge wrote:
Do you think any type of bureaucratic machine, the size of the US is able to have things move rapidly?

How fast do things move in Switzerland?


I have no issues with slow courts... Due dilligence is very important.
I have an issue with how long it took for Trump finally being indicted for Jan 6th. It took two and a half years for the whole process to even start. Thats why it's still nowhere. All while he was campaigning and "his" court decided that a president can basically do whatever the fuck he wants.

August 1, 2023: A federal grand jury indicted Trump over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and the events leading up to the January 6 Capital riot.



What happens if he's found guilty on all charges but he is now president? Assuming he wouldn't immediatly shut down the investigation, which he will surely do.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
November 04 2024 12:38 GMT
#90083
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.


Nobody believes Putin. Do you?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/putin-endorse-kamala/
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-04 17:29:32
November 04 2024 12:43 GMT
#90084
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22311 Posts
November 04 2024 12:44 GMT
#90085
I will gladly own up to the fact that Trump is so bad even white supremacists and arch-conservatives would rather vote for a socialist democrat then him.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45780 Posts
November 04 2024 12:47 GMT
#90086
On November 04 2024 21:44 Gorsameth wrote:
I will gladly own up to the fact that Trump is so bad even white supremacists and arch-conservatives would rather vote for a socialist democrat then him.


A Communist socialist Democrat!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6105 Posts
November 04 2024 12:52 GMT
#90087
On November 04 2024 21:19 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

The sheer number of bad actors (as you put "theoretical fellow travellers" because it's more convenient to ignore the reasons why they aren't "fellow travellers," kind of like how my theoretical wife turned down my proposal right) moving away from Drumpf towards Harris has been a beautiful sight to behold.

Only TDS can make leftists carefully consider the measured and rational opinions of... *checks notes* white supremacists. Literally the answer should be the same as it is every day: "Who in the fuck is Richard Spencer, who gives a fuck what he thinks, or the other 99 white supremacists that still support Drumpf." Not actually the white supremacist has a good argument here, let's take a closer look.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11825 Posts
November 04 2024 13:06 GMT
#90088
On November 04 2024 21:44 Gorsameth wrote:
I will gladly own up to the fact that Trump is so bad even white supremacists and arch-conservatives would rather vote for a socialist democrat then him.


Also, following this logic, we should just get GH to endorse Trump. Surely you wouldn't vote for the guy that a revolutionary socialist likes?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
November 04 2024 13:08 GMT
#90089
On November 04 2024 21:52 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 21:19 WombaT wrote:
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

The sheer number of bad actors (as you put "theoretical fellow travellers" because it's more convenient to ignore the reasons why they aren't "fellow travellers," kind of like how my theoretical wife turned down my proposal right) moving away from Drumpf towards Harris has been a beautiful sight to behold.

Only TDS can make leftists carefully consider the measured and rational opinions of... *checks notes* white supremacists. Literally the answer should be the same as it is every day: "Who in the fuck is Richard Spencer, who gives a fuck what he thinks, or the other 99 white supremacists that still support Drumpf." Not actually the white supremacist has a good argument here, let's take a closer look.

Nobody’s buying what you’re selling, it’s so disingenuous it’s untrue

If I’d have classed them as ‘fellow travellers’ without the ‘theoretical distinction’ I’d be subjected to some 3 paragraph treatise about Trump having black friends, or that he’s not literally HitlerTM

Who’s saying white supremacists are making good arguments? :S
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
November 04 2024 13:09 GMT
#90090
On November 04 2024 21:52 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 21:19 WombaT wrote:
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

The sheer number of bad actors (as you put "theoretical fellow travellers" because it's more convenient to ignore the reasons why they aren't "fellow travellers," kind of like how my theoretical wife turned down my proposal right) moving away from Drumpf towards Harris has been a beautiful sight to behold.

Only TDS can make leftists carefully consider the measured and rational opinions of... *checks notes* white supremacists. Literally the answer should be the same as it is every day: "Who in the fuck is Richard Spencer, who gives a fuck what he thinks, or the other 99 white supremacists that still support Drumpf." Not actually the white supremacist has a good argument here, let's take a closer look.


Just stop, your excuses are getting embarrassing. White supremacists endorsing Harris because even Trump's fascism doesn't convince them to vote for Trump is not an attack on Harris supporters, it only exposes Trump for how much of a trashbag he is. He can't even convince his whole ideological base. That's the only takeaway here.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45780 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-04 13:21:24
November 04 2024 13:21 GMT
#90091
On November 04 2024 21:52 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 21:19 WombaT wrote:
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

The sheer number of bad actors (as you put "theoretical fellow travellers" because it's more convenient to ignore the reasons why they aren't "fellow travellers," kind of like how my theoretical wife turned down my proposal right) moving away from Drumpf towards Harris has been a beautiful sight to behold.

Only TDS can make leftists carefully consider the measured and rational opinions of... *checks notes* white supremacists. Literally the answer should be the same as it is every day: "Who in the fuck is Richard Spencer, who gives a fuck what he thinks, or the other 99 white supremacists that still support Drumpf." Not actually the white supremacist has a good argument here, let's take a closer look.


> "There's a white supremacist who prefers Harris over Trump because he thinks Trump is an idiot with no policies!"
>>> "Okay. So?"
> "LOL TDS!"

Get a new line.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1685 Posts
November 04 2024 13:24 GMT
#90092
On November 04 2024 20:16 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 19:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 04 2024 16:37 oBlade wrote:
Kamala picked up a last minute endorsement from noted white supremacist Richard Spencer.


She also picked up a last minute endorsement from Harrison Ford, who is famous for beating up Nazis

Also, how bad a candidate does white supremacist Donald Trump need to be, for one of his own white supremacist followers to eventually decide to support a biracial woman who actually condemns white supremacy lmao.

Must be a pretty poor white supremacist, I agree.

Totally agree with you oBlade, and I think this White Supremacist In Name Only is not going to fool any of the true white supremacist's. Only SWINOs would care about competency. All the real deal white supremacists will continue to support Trump just to prove their bona fides by supporting the most incompetent presidential candidate ever, over some biracial woman. Logic and ability be damned, the whole philosophy requires pretending that whites are superior. If you are not going to do it now when it is so obvious the other way and so public, than you are a SWINO.

Good call oBlade, you keep your support with the true white supremacist's, screw those turn coat SWINOs. Better to have America in the dumps losing all the international clout they have built up for the past century and turn this economy back into the toilet than admit Harris is way more competent.

Way to stick to your values.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
November 04 2024 15:05 GMT
#90093
On November 04 2024 21:52 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 21:19 WombaT wrote:
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

The sheer number of bad actors (as you put "theoretical fellow travellers" because it's more convenient to ignore the reasons why they aren't "fellow travellers," kind of like how my theoretical wife turned down my proposal right) moving away from Drumpf towards Harris has been a beautiful sight to behold.

Only TDS can make leftists carefully consider the measured and rational opinions of... *checks notes* white supremacists. Literally the answer should be the same as it is every day: "Who in the fuck is Richard Spencer, who gives a fuck what he thinks, or the other 99 white supremacists that still support Drumpf." Not actually the white supremacist has a good argument here, let's take a closer look.


Wait I'm sorry. Are you accusing 'leftists' of having TDS because they don't care about something you brought up?

What kind of upside down bizarro world is this?
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-04 16:13:20
November 04 2024 15:54 GMT
#90094
On November 04 2024 18:40 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 18:30 r00ty wrote:
On November 04 2024 16:37 oBlade wrote:
Kamala picked up a last minute endorsement from noted white supremacist Richard Spencer. Said she is the best person to lead the American empire. Not sure whether she has disavowed yet or intends to or is delaying on purpose as a form of dog whistling. Other white supremacist and co-holocaust denier (with Kanye) Nick Fuentes has rejected Drumpf but apparently not gone as far as to endorse Kamala, who is half Indian, probably because it makes him look like a hypocrite for having attacked JD Vance's wife, who is full Indian.

Like those two grifters are relevant in any way. lol.


I thought it was weird, so I checked it out:

Show nested quote +
Given the slightly surprising endorsement, both due to his politics and previous comments about women, Spencer clarified in a phone interview with Newsweek on Saturday morning, "I just want someone who is competent to be in charge so that something can happen, as opposed to demonization of the other side."


He also added that:
Show nested quote +
"there's a total absence of policy among the GOP. It's the 'no' party, it's almost nihilistic party," in contrast to how he views the Democrats as, "more competent," "able to be reasonable," and wanting "to govern the whole country."


and
Show nested quote +
He continued: "When I put it that way, the choice is very clear. I think Donald Trump and the MAGA [Make America Great Again] movement bring nothing but stupidity and chaos."


While the dude is completely reprehensible, the criticism is pretty much spot on.

I thought this would be some low effort confusion trolling attempt, but interesting.

I can see his point though, DJT is no posterchild for any ideology you really want to further. He's a clown, obviously very uneducated, a liar and narcissist. I still struggle to understand him having any appeal. I give him charisma, but that's about it. In my opinion calling him Hitler is actually an insult to Adolf. Say what you want about the man, at least he had an ideology and the policies.

Edit: What's most worrying to me about the orange man is his irrational long lasting vindictiveness. From Liz Cheney over Obama to the offshore windmills at his golf course in Scotland. He can't let it go. That's also why he hates my country so much: 2 failed Trump Tower projects (Frankfurt and Stuttgart). Fascinating story, attempted money laundering in plain sight but local officials called him out.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10393 Posts
November 04 2024 16:44 GMT
#90095
[image loading]

Here's my final 2024 prediction map. The key: Light shade = <2%, Medium Shade = 2-5%, and Dark shade = >5%.

I'm going to choose to believe the Selzer poll, but not entirely. I think Trump is going to outperform the remaining undecided voter there and it's going to be another Bush vs Kerry 2004 incident where Kerry barely lost the state. I think this will also signal other states like NC and GA that they will fall for Harris, which I predict will roughly be +1.5% Harris when all is said and done.

Some other notables, the Selzer poll also would signal some more competitive races in Florida and Texas, which I expect to become closer this year than previous years, with both predicted to be +4% Trump.

Rust Belt should go to Harris +3% or so. Nevada and Arizona are on the cusp at around 2%.

Bellweathers for tomorrow: Virginia. I fully expect Harris to win this state by over 5 points, and an early call like in 2020 is going to be good news for her. Anything after 8-9pm ET, and Harris is going to be in for a long night. Also pay special attention to Ohio. Trump won the state +9 in 2020, but more polls have shown him around only +6-7 points. While I do expect Ohio to be called early, I think it's worth looking at the state for some bellweather forecast on the Rust Belt.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45780 Posts
November 04 2024 16:50 GMT
#90096
On November 05 2024 01:44 FlaShFTW wrote:
[image loading]

Here's my final 2024 prediction map. The key: Light shade = <2%, Medium Shade = 2-5%, and Dark shade = >5%.

I'm going to choose to believe the Selzer poll, but not entirely. I think Trump is going to outperform the remaining undecided voter there and it's going to be another Bush vs Kerry 2004 incident where Kerry barely lost the state. I think this will also signal other states like NC and GA that they will fall for Harris, which I predict will roughly be +1.5% Harris when all is said and done.

Some other notables, the Selzer poll also would signal some more competitive races in Florida and Texas, which I expect to become closer this year than previous years, with both predicted to be +4% Trump.

Rust Belt should go to Harris +3% or so. Nevada and Arizona are on the cusp at around 2%.

Bellweathers for tomorrow: Virginia. I fully expect Harris to win this state by over 5 points, and an early call like in 2020 is going to be good news for her. Anything after 8-9pm ET, and Harris is going to be in for a long night. Also pay special attention to Ohio. Trump won the state +9 in 2020, but more polls have shown him around only +6-7 points. While I do expect Ohio to be called early, I think it's worth looking at the state for some bellweather forecast on the Rust Belt.


That's a more optimistic result than I thought, but I'd love to see that Will you be providing your traditional coverage tomorrow night too?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-04 16:52:11
November 04 2024 16:51 GMT
#90097
On November 05 2024 00:54 r00ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 18:40 EnDeR_ wrote:
On November 04 2024 18:30 r00ty wrote:
On November 04 2024 16:37 oBlade wrote:
Kamala picked up a last minute endorsement from noted white supremacist Richard Spencer. Said she is the best person to lead the American empire. Not sure whether she has disavowed yet or intends to or is delaying on purpose as a form of dog whistling. Other white supremacist and co-holocaust denier (with Kanye) Nick Fuentes has rejected Drumpf but apparently not gone as far as to endorse Kamala, who is half Indian, probably because it makes him look like a hypocrite for having attacked JD Vance's wife, who is full Indian.

Like those two grifters are relevant in any way. lol.


I thought it was weird, so I checked it out:

Given the slightly surprising endorsement, both due to his politics and previous comments about women, Spencer clarified in a phone interview with Newsweek on Saturday morning, "I just want someone who is competent to be in charge so that something can happen, as opposed to demonization of the other side."


He also added that:
"there's a total absence of policy among the GOP. It's the 'no' party, it's almost nihilistic party," in contrast to how he views the Democrats as, "more competent," "able to be reasonable," and wanting "to govern the whole country."


and
He continued: "When I put it that way, the choice is very clear. I think Donald Trump and the MAGA [Make America Great Again] movement bring nothing but stupidity and chaos."


While the dude is completely reprehensible, the criticism is pretty much spot on.

I thought this would be some low effort confusion trolling attempt, but interesting.

I can see his point though, DJT is no posterchild for any ideology you really want to further. He's a clown, obviously very uneducated, a liar and narcissist. I still struggle to understand him having any appeal. I give him charisma, but that's about it. In my opinion calling him Hitler is actually an insult to Adolf. Say what you want about the man, at least he had an ideology and the policies.

Edit: What's most worrying to me about the orange man is his irrational long lasting vindictiveness. From Liz Cheney over Obama to the offshore windmills at his golf course in Scotland. He can't let it go. That's also why he hates my country so much: 2 failed Trump Tower projects (Frankfurt and Stuttgart). Fascinating story, attempted money laundering in plain sight but local officials called him out.

There’s probably some cafe in Buenos Aires where Hitler has spent the last 8 years frequently fuming about the comparison.

Yeah I think you’re bang on there, Trump doesn’t need to himself be a devoted fascist to enable those who are.

You allude to it in your post, what I consider probably Trump’s most dangerous attribute as a leader, his seemingly pathological need for absolute loyalty. Not a loyalty to party, country etc, but to him. You then combine that with his seeming lack of ideological convictions, and it’s a rather manipulable combo.

All you have to do is placate his ego and hey, you’re somewhat in favour now.

I mean consider the following hypothetical, (and no I’m keeping it simple and not adding a million and one caveats), which scenario do you think Trump himself would find preferable?:

1. The GOP as a broad conservative coalition, including influential figures within the tent who are critical of Trump.
2. The GOP pivots further right, to be full-blown Fascist, or in that ballpark but is slavishly loyal to the Donald.

As an aside, your point re personal slights is a very well-made one. I feel it’s not quite talked about enough. We’re not even always talking frosty interpersonal relations, or pettiness on minor issues, but quite considerable movement on big foreign policy that maps remarkably well onto ‘what country does Trump have some grudge against?’


'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2878 Posts
November 04 2024 17:19 GMT
#90098
On November 04 2024 21:52 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2024 21:19 WombaT wrote:
On November 04 2024 20:59 oBlade wrote:
Your girl now has the endorsement of Dick Cheney, Putin, Richard Spencer, I could go on. It's not a big deal, you can vote for her anyway just have to own it.

Own what? That Trump is so self-evidently shit that some of his theoretical fellow travellers endorsed the other one?

The sheer number of bad actors (as you put "theoretical fellow travellers" because it's more convenient to ignore the reasons why they aren't "fellow travellers," kind of like how my theoretical wife turned down my proposal right) moving away from Drumpf towards Harris has been a beautiful sight to behold.

Only TDS can make leftists carefully consider the measured and rational opinions of... *checks notes* white supremacists. Literally the answer should be the same as it is every day: "Who in the fuck is Richard Spencer, who gives a fuck what he thinks, or the other 99 white supremacists that still support Drumpf." Not actually the white supremacist has a good argument here, let's take a closer look.


I generally prefer to keep things civil and don't like pile-ons. Having said that, this whole series of posts just does not make sense to me. I agree that considering the source of the information is important -- but Spencer is not saying anything we didn't already know. He just realised during Trump's presidential term what everybody else had already figured out from the get-go.

Do you see why this is different from "considering the rational opinions of white supremacists"? Spencer is just parroting leftwing talking points, as you would put it if you were relaying this exchange to a fellow with similar political leanings as yourself.
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r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
November 04 2024 17:41 GMT
#90099
On November 05 2024 01:51 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2024 00:54 r00ty wrote:
On November 04 2024 18:40 EnDeR_ wrote:
On November 04 2024 18:30 r00ty wrote:
On November 04 2024 16:37 oBlade wrote:
Kamala picked up a last minute endorsement from noted white supremacist Richard Spencer. Said she is the best person to lead the American empire. Not sure whether she has disavowed yet or intends to or is delaying on purpose as a form of dog whistling. Other white supremacist and co-holocaust denier (with Kanye) Nick Fuentes has rejected Drumpf but apparently not gone as far as to endorse Kamala, who is half Indian, probably because it makes him look like a hypocrite for having attacked JD Vance's wife, who is full Indian.

Like those two grifters are relevant in any way. lol.


I thought it was weird, so I checked it out:

Given the slightly surprising endorsement, both due to his politics and previous comments about women, Spencer clarified in a phone interview with Newsweek on Saturday morning, "I just want someone who is competent to be in charge so that something can happen, as opposed to demonization of the other side."


He also added that:
"there's a total absence of policy among the GOP. It's the 'no' party, it's almost nihilistic party," in contrast to how he views the Democrats as, "more competent," "able to be reasonable," and wanting "to govern the whole country."


and
He continued: "When I put it that way, the choice is very clear. I think Donald Trump and the MAGA [Make America Great Again] movement bring nothing but stupidity and chaos."


While the dude is completely reprehensible, the criticism is pretty much spot on.

I thought this would be some low effort confusion trolling attempt, but interesting.

I can see his point though, DJT is no posterchild for any ideology you really want to further. He's a clown, obviously very uneducated, a liar and narcissist. I still struggle to understand him having any appeal. I give him charisma, but that's about it. In my opinion calling him Hitler is actually an insult to Adolf. Say what you want about the man, at least he had an ideology and the policies.

Edit: What's most worrying to me about the orange man is his irrational long lasting vindictiveness. From Liz Cheney over Obama to the offshore windmills at his golf course in Scotland. He can't let it go. That's also why he hates my country so much: 2 failed Trump Tower projects (Frankfurt and Stuttgart). Fascinating story, attempted money laundering in plain sight but local officials called him out.

There’s probably some cafe in Buenos Aires where Hitler has spent the last 8 years frequently fuming about the comparison.

Yeah I think you’re bang on there, Trump doesn’t need to himself be a devoted fascist to enable those who are.

You allude to it in your post, what I consider probably Trump’s most dangerous attribute as a leader, his seemingly pathological need for absolute loyalty. Not a loyalty to party, country etc, but to him. You then combine that with his seeming lack of ideological convictions, and it’s a rather manipulable combo.

All you have to do is placate his ego and hey, you’re somewhat in favour now.

I mean consider the following hypothetical, (and no I’m keeping it simple and not adding a million and one caveats), which scenario do you think Trump himself would find preferable?:

1. The GOP as a broad conservative coalition, including influential figures within the tent who are critical of Trump.
2. The GOP pivots further right, to be full-blown Fascist, or in that ballpark but is slavishly loyal to the Donald.

As an aside, your point re personal slights is a very well-made one. I feel it’s not quite talked about enough. We’re not even always talking frosty interpersonal relations, or pettiness on minor issues, but quite considerable movement on big foreign policy that maps remarkably well onto ‘what country does Trump have some grudge against?’


The Putin relationship is the perfect example. The US is killing it because of Russia being sanctioned. The subsidies for Ukraine are a joke compared to the net profit the US economy gets becauses of energy prices over the last two years. That lie about the economy being better under Trump pisses me off so much.

Hopefully he won't make it, but if, i wanna see him deporting the cheap labor force while putting a 20% tarrif on imports and see how that works out for fixing inflation.
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On November 04 2024 20:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On November 04 2024 20:16 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2024 19:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 04 2024 16:37 oBlade wrote:
Kamala picked up a last minute endorsement from noted white supremacist Richard Spencer.


She also picked up a last minute endorsement from Harrison Ford, who is famous for beating up Nazis

Also, how bad a candidate does white supremacist Donald Trump need to be, for one of his own white supremacist followers to eventually decide to support a biracial woman who actually condemns white supremacy lmao.

Must be a pretty poor white supremacist, I agree.


I think you need to read EnDeR_'s article for why Trump did not receive that endorsement from Spencer. It's because Spencer believes that Trump is a moron with no policies, not because Trump isn't racist enough.

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On November 04 2024 20:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 04 2024 19:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 04 2024 16:37 oBlade wrote:
Kamala picked up a last minute endorsement from noted white supremacist Richard Spencer.


She also picked up a last minute endorsement from Harrison Ford, who is famous for beating up Nazis

Also, how bad a candidate does white supremacist Donald Trump need to be, for one of his own white supremacist followers to eventually decide to support a biracial woman who actually condemns white supremacy lmao.


bolded - That's miserable spin on that. Much simpler read of this is "White supremacist decided that Kamala is better for White supremacists"


Swing and a miss. See above.

This is a deeply unserious topic. Oh no, only 99% of white supremacists back Trump, whereas 1% of them think he's too dumb to function so they're backing Harris instead. I guess Trump and Harris are now both equally terrible! Please.

Further to that, can you imagine Trumps best friend for over 10 years and grooming partner does not even have glowing things to say about the donald?


“With respect to real estate deals, he’s brilliant. He’s a salesman. He knows real estate really well,” Epstein said. “Anything else but that, he knows nothing. No history, no strategy…he can’t read a spreadsheet, which is funny.”


“He is charming; he is able to convince people,” Epstein said on tape. “It’s very much like Clinton. Both Bill and Donald have the ability to go over to a fat, ugly woman, say, ‘You are the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen.’ So, he tells everybody what they want to hear. And that is charming.”


“He does nasty things to his best friends, his best friends’ wives,” Epstein said on tape. “Anyone who he first tries to gain their trust, and then uses it to do bad things.”



https://www.thewrap.com/jeffrey-epstein-describes-donald-trump-as-his-closest-friend-for-10-years-in-latest-michael-wolff-tape/

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-allegations-michael-wolff-podcast-1978434

Joke aside pretty creepy to hear the description that is way to specific to be made up from yet another absolutely horrible person in Trumps close orbit. And it is on tape.

"I think they saw themselves as embodying this moment, which was money, women, and status," Wolff said. "We now see Epstein as the sexual monster. But certainly, at least in Epstein's telling, he and Trump were, in this regard, brothers in arms."


"And in fact, in that classic money laundering setup, Trump bought the house for $40 million, bought it through borrowed money, and then the house was put on the market not long afterward and immediately sold for $96 million to one of the oligarchs in the close [Russian President Vladimir] Putin circle."


Wolff said that while interviewing Epstein, the financier would occasionally bring out dozens of photos of Trump from the late 1990s. Some of the photos featured Trump in Epstein's Palm Beach house surrounded by young women, added Wolff.

"And the young girls are topless, and in some of the pictures, they're sitting on his lap. And then there's one I especially remember where there's a telltale stain on the front of Trump's pants, and the girls are pointing at him and laughing," Wolff said.

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