US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4413

On September 25 2024 23:44 oBlade wrote:

Anyone familiar with English immediately knows and understands the concepts and distinctions covered by the words migration, emigration, immigration, and remigration. Same with expatriation and repatriation.

On September 25 2024 23:43 Vivax wrote:


You‘re right Hitler didn‘t encourage furries dressed as buffalos to attack the parliament, fail and get another chance for some reason.

Hitler landed in jail after trying something like that in Munich.

Then he won by election.

All I see with Trump is a lot of martyrdom messaging.
If he got jailed and wrote ‚mein Ivank‘ he might have won./s

They secretly worship his methods that‘s for sure.
But the lack of consequences suggests the government doesn‘t really give a damn as long as it keeps the population from rebelling against the oligarchy. It‘s entertainment.

Hate on politicians so you don‘t hate on what‘s consuming your future through wasteful spending and absurd levels of luxury.

On September 25 2024 23:52 NewSunshine wrote:

Okay, cool, you addressed the less important half of their point. What about Trump once again echoing the rhetoric of white nationalists?

On September 26 2024 00:12 oBlade wrote:

Why do you believe the existence of a word for the concept of people leaving a country they immigrated to and returning to their motherland, fatherland, homeland, country of birth, is white nationalist?

On September 25 2024 23:30 Billyboy wrote:
It is hard to give Trump the benefit of the doubt when he uses terms like "reimigration", which only exist in white nationalist and other racists groups vernacular. No one who is not full of hate uses it, most wouldn't even know what it means without looking it up.

Nov. 24: Trump was confronted about the tweet by Bill O’Reilly on Fox News on Nov. 23. Trump confirmed that he retweeted the graphic himself. He said that he did not check the statistics, but that the graphic came “from sources that are very credible.”

The statistics were not only false – PolitiFact rated them “pants on fire” – they turned out to have come from a Twitter feed with the handle @CheesedBrit that has now been discontinued. The owner of the account described himself as someone who “should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache”

On September 26 2024 00:15 EnDeR_ wrote:


Because white nationalists use the term.

I had never heard of it until it was mentioned in the thread.

On September 25 2024 22:05 ChristianS wrote:

I get the impulse to summarize people’s assertions with pithy hyperboles like “ICE death squads” but it really sucks to put hyperboles in other people’s mouths when your overall point is “look how hyperbolic you all are being.”

Anyway I think it’s worth talking more about Trump’s deportation promises. As I recall he’s promised to deport millions of people within a few days of taking office; if anybody wants to supply an exact quote I’d appreciate it. But I don’t know why we’d need an analogy to 1944 Germany when 1954 US is right there.
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When the generation that stormed the beaches of Normandy decided they wanted to get rid of immigrants and didn’t care much about due process, they put together a task force and managed to deport about a million people in a year. Trump wants to deport 10million+ in a matter of days. I’m not overly focusing on the deaths (although to be certain, there were deaths caused by Operation Wetback) but with an operation of that scale and speed it’s simply not possible to have any real respect for due process. They deported legal migrants and US citizens just because they were brown. They didn’t give people a chance to retrieve their possessions or even talk to their families about what was happening. It’s total lawlessness, essentially a race riot carried out by the government instead of a mob. I see no reason to think Trump’s program here would be any better, and every reason to think it would be even more cruel and unburdened by conscience.

Tell me, are my concerns hyperbolic? Because I’d really love to hear where specifically I’m failing to understand why this would be less awful than it seems. If you can’t give me that, I’d really rather not hear that I’m fabricating “ICE death squads” or failing to appeal to “Joe Schmoe.”

On September 25 2024 20:54 Gorsameth wrote:
We don't have to invent camps.
Trump was displaying children in cages in camps at the border.

On September 26 2024 00:23 NewSunshine wrote:

Same.

oBlade, you know that for most people talking about migration, "migration" is the word they use, right? I can guess from context what it means, as well as why it's called "remigration". They're not looking to deport the white people who were born here, they're looking to deport the people who just migrated here, hence it being re-migration.

The only people who are inclined to use that word are people who are keeping score. White nationalists are the ones who are very concerned with the ethnic makeup of our country. Context isn't difficult.

On September 26 2024 00:43 oBlade wrote:

"Deportation" is forceful, or mandatory. You literally throw them out of the port. That's the same root as import, export. The concept implies no destination. Just ejection. Like "defenestration" means being thrown out a window, when you throw something out a window, that's the word that applies. If you want to include the context of clarifying the particular destination, you would say something like you "regrounded" whatever you threw out the window.

White nationalists also use the word deport, the word tax, and the word pizza, it doesn't mean these things shouldn't exist, nor is something white nationalist just because of personal ignorance of a word's existence. Any romance language has the same structures. Remigración and remigração are not Hispanic supremacist. "재이주" is not Korean supremacist (재 means again). 再迁入 is not Chinese supremacist (再, meaning again - again). "إعادة الهجرة" is not Arab supremacist (إعادة means return).

You are race baiting for no other reason than that for all we know you're an immigrant supremacist. It's a completely useless attack.

Remigration covers people returning to their country of origin which is voluntary, incentivized, or forceful. If words were people, if anything, deportation would be the more racist one, and that's why we've heard BS about it for years. You cannot legally deport people who are citizens of a country, at least the US. It has happened illegally in cases. You cannot even conceptually remigrate someone out of the US if they were born in the US and are continuous citizens who never voluntarily renounced their citizenship, no matter what color they are. The idea of remigration is very tenable insofar as it ensures, as Drumpf already said, by economic or other international pressure, that the deportees have an actual place to return to, presumably limiting the efficacy of bleeding heart humanitarian cries of "no human being is illegal" by considering that they won't be left in some kind of ether of international limbo which is what most people who don't understand the concept of borders or national sovereignty must imagine when they hear the word "deportation."

On September 26 2024 00:48 oBlade wrote:
The word has been around since at least 1608, which predates the nation that this thread is about.

On September 26 2024 00:48 oBlade wrote:
The word has been around since at least 1608, which predates the nation that this thread is about.

On September 26 2024 00:51 Sadist wrote:



So what? If I take some obscure word from 500 years ago and coopt it for reasons I cannot fall back behind the defense that its 500 years old.


You should know this with how the right uses language as a key battleground in the culture war.

On September 26 2024 00:48 oBlade wrote:
The word has been around since at least 1608, which predates the nation that this thread is about.

On September 26 2024 01:06 oBlade wrote:

I know that the alt-left invented a paradoxical label called "undocumented citizen." I don't think that holds as much weight as the idea that you can politically oppose immigration, especially illegal immigration, as well as support its reversal. Have you seen the shows that malign young people for not knowing world geography? They can't name this and that country on a map? The reasons behind that become more clear when people don't even understand what the lines in between the countries mean, because that's the entire way the countries themselves are delineated.

On September 26 2024 01:07 Acrofales wrote:

The N-word has been around for even longer. And initially wasn't racist. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a slur for roughly 200 years and nowadays the only people still using it are racists (and some who have adopted and coopted it as a badge of honor, but unless you're Chris Rock, Samuel L Jackson or Jay-Z, you're probably a racist if you use it).

On September 26 2024 01:09 Acrofales wrote:

Undocumented has been around since at least 1711. Clearly the "alt-left" (whatever the fuck that is) didn't invent that!

On September 26 2024 01:07 Acrofales wrote:

The N-word has been around for even longer. And initially wasn't racist. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a slur for roughly 200 years and nowadays the only people still using it are racists (and some who have adopted and coopted it as a badge of honor, but unless you're Chris Rock, Samuel L Jackson or Jay-Z, you're probably a racist if you use it).

The same logic applies. Stop being dim: the only people currently using "remigration" are people who want to kick "migrants" out of the country. It's possible that was its original meaning too, btw. I didn't bother looking it up, but it's clear what its modern use is, and the only people who actually use that are roughly the same demographic as those who use the N-word...