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On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time.
This is fair too and probably a big reason Harris is resonating a lot more even if she is saying mostly the same stuff. I think it is more than her being energetic rather than an example of the limits of modern medicine. I think the refresh/rebrand had inherent messaging/interest benefits.
I think the ways democrats have shifted their messaging strategy away from 2016 and 2020 has been strictly beneficial. One interesting question your point brings up is: Republicans have way more "celebrity politicians" than democrats. I wonder if the sheer number of conservative politicians who operate more like influencers has a sneaky benefit of more options for people to find a voice that resonates with them.
If Democrats have 10 options for people to find their groove with in some tiktok video, but conservatives have 30, maybe it is reasonable to assume they will end up reaching more total people? This might be a new way democrats are suffering from such a narrow roster and such a poor job growing new talent.
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United States43368 Posts
On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time.
But it literally did pan out.
In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response.
The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off.
He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result.
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On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time.
Trump's own runningmate literally called him Hitler.
And it seems you just cherry-picked the most extreme messages, and ignored the countless other warnings that actually came true, such as: turning the Supreme Court into a conservative nightmare, repealing Roe v. Wade, shitting the bed during any national or international emergencies (like the covid pandemic), trying to undermine our elections so that he can unfairly retain power that he lost fair and square, spreading lies and hate and misinformation, attempting to remove our healthcare (which he tried to do many times - thankfully he was unsuccessful), and sabotaging and defunding important federal departments.
The vast majority of warnings about Trump came true.
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On September 25 2024 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. Trump's own runningmate literally called him Hitler. And it seems you just cherry-picked the most extreme messages, and ignored the countless other warnings that actually came true, such as: turning the Supreme Court into a conservative nightmare, repealing Roe v. Wade, shitting the bed during any national or international emergencies (like the covid pandemic), trying to undermine our elections so that he can unfairly retain power that he lost fair and square, spreading lies and hate and misinformation, attempting to remove our healthcare (which he tried to do many times - thankfully he was unsuccessful), and sabotaging and defunding important federal departments. The vast majority of warnings about Trump came true.
Okay but setting to one side the people that the wolf ate I just can't see how this isn't another case of libs crying wolf. People aren't going to fall for it.
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Also, Trump basically does nothing but cry wolf and push narratives regardless of their truth. He entered with Obama birth conspiracies and preys on 'reasonable doubt' consistently, currently shouting that Kamala is a marxist socialist, hatians eat dogs and they're covering it up, and other garbage.
It isn't that dem messengers cried wolf too many times and now can't be taken seriously, it's that one person in particular is so fucking noisy that it's impossible to get a truth to stand alone, because whatever that truth is there's an idiot over yonder shouting that it's false, or distracting from the truth with some falsehood.
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On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result.
You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right.
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On September 25 2024 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. Trump's own runningmate literally called him Hitler. And it seems you just cherry-picked the most extreme messages, and ignored the countless other warnings that actually came true, such as: turning the Supreme Court into a conservative nightmare, repealing Roe v. Wade, shitting the bed during any national or international emergencies (like the covid pandemic), trying to undermine our elections so that he can unfairly retain power that he lost fair and square, spreading lies and hate and misinformation, attempting to remove our healthcare (which he tried to do many times - thankfully he was unsuccessful), and sabotaging and defunding important federal departments. The vast majority of warnings about Trump came true.
Yes, but some on the left were hyperbolic, which is clearly the much greater transgression
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On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right.
Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions.
That sounds a bit hitlery to me.
I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing.
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On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing.
Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point.
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On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point.
Isn't he (and many other republicans) literally running on deporting 15-20 million immigrants as his main item of his political platform? Can we agree on that? How do you forcefully deport that many people without creating a massive humanitarian crisis where thousands of people die?
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On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point.
Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected?
Because that's a pretty bad point to be making...
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On September 25 2024 16:09 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point. Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected? Because that's a pretty bad point to be making...
Has Trump said he would sign a bill authorizing ICE to shoot immigrants that resist deportation?
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On September 25 2024 08:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. Trump's own runningmate literally called him Hitler. And it seems you just cherry-picked the most extreme messages, and ignored the countless other warnings that actually came true, such as: turning the Supreme Court into a conservative nightmare, repealing Roe v. Wade, shitting the bed during any national or international emergencies (like the covid pandemic), trying to undermine our elections so that he can unfairly retain power that he lost fair and square, spreading lies and hate and misinformation, attempting to remove our healthcare (which he tried to do many times - thankfully he was unsuccessful), and sabotaging and defunding important federal departments. The vast majority of warnings about Trump came true. Okay but setting to one side the people that the wolf ate I just can't see how this isn't another case of libs crying wolf. People aren't going to fall for it.
Totally. And why shouldn't we preemptively disregard all the evidence before judging whether or not there's any evidence? It's just common sense!
On September 25 2024 15:27 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. Trump's own runningmate literally called him Hitler. And it seems you just cherry-picked the most extreme messages, and ignored the countless other warnings that actually came true, such as: turning the Supreme Court into a conservative nightmare, repealing Roe v. Wade, shitting the bed during any national or international emergencies (like the covid pandemic), trying to undermine our elections so that he can unfairly retain power that he lost fair and square, spreading lies and hate and misinformation, attempting to remove our healthcare (which he tried to do many times - thankfully he was unsuccessful), and sabotaging and defunding important federal departments. The vast majority of warnings about Trump came true. Yes, but some on the left were hyperbolic, which is clearly the much greater transgression
Yeah! It's just like that popular saying: Words speak louder than actions! And who cares that the right is more hyperbolic/vitriolic and is wrong/lying more frequently than the left? Trump has been graded on a curve all his life, so why stop now?
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On September 25 2024 16:44 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 16:09 Acrofales wrote:On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point. Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected? Because that's a pretty bad point to be making... Has Trump said he would sign a bill authorizing ICE to shoot immigrants that resist deportation?
Are ICE police? Do police shoot people that resist arrest? Like conservatives like to say, I'm just asking questions.
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On September 25 2024 18:05 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 16:44 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 16:09 Acrofales wrote:On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point. Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected? Because that's a pretty bad point to be making... Has Trump said he would sign a bill authorizing ICE to shoot immigrants that resist deportation? Are ICE police? Do police shoot people that resist arrest? Like conservatives like to say, I'm just asking questions.
No, police don’t shoot people that resist arrest
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On September 25 2024 18:11 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 18:05 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 16:44 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 16:09 Acrofales wrote:On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point. Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected? Because that's a pretty bad point to be making... Has Trump said he would sign a bill authorizing ICE to shoot immigrants that resist deportation? Are ICE police? Do police shoot people that resist arrest? Like conservatives like to say, I'm just asking questions. No, police don’t shoot people that resist arrest your right, police also shoot people who don't resist arrest.
Whether or not your resisting isn't relevant to police shooting you.
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I love you. Get out – you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right.
If Trump wouldn't often basically word for word use Hitlers talking points and propaganda methods, people most likely wouldn't call him Hitler.
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On September 25 2024 18:11 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 18:05 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 16:44 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 16:09 Acrofales wrote:On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point. Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected? Because that's a pretty bad point to be making... Has Trump said he would sign a bill authorizing ICE to shoot immigrants that resist deportation? Are ICE police? Do police shoot people that resist arrest? Like conservatives like to say, I'm just asking questions. No, police don’t shoot people that resist arrest
We have had literal pages in this thread about police shootings. If you can't even concede that police do indeed carry guns and they use them for the function the guns were designed for, then there isn't much we can discuss here.
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On September 25 2024 18:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2024 18:11 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 18:05 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 16:44 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 16:09 Acrofales wrote:On September 25 2024 15:43 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 15:38 EnDeR_ wrote:On September 25 2024 15:05 BlackJack wrote:On September 25 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:On September 25 2024 07:50 BlackJack wrote:
The problem isn’t the messaging, it’s the messengers. Trump is the next Hitler. Trump is going to declare martial law and round people up. Trump is going to start executing journalists. Trump is going to start world war 3. Blah blah blah. The same things were said in 2016 too and none of it panned out. It doesn’t work to say after the fact “ok I know Trump isn’t actually as bad as Hitler but Jan 6 was pretty fucked up, am I right?” If they didn’t cry wolf in the most hyperbolic hysterical fashion then they might get more people to take them seriously this one time. But it literally did pan out. In 2016 they asked Trump if he'd accept the results of the election. He said "if I win". Then in 2020 he didn't accept the results of an election and attempted a literal coup. Even after that failed he did huge and continuing damage to the social fabric of the country by undermining the basic principle of the democratic system we all live under. The only thing that keeps political violence at bay is the belief that the system is fair. If we really did live in a one party state that was secretly controlled by a Chinese/Venezuelan alliance then bombing Federal buildings is a pretty reasonable and sane response. The people crying wolf in 2016 were right. There was a fucking wolf. We all saw it. Then he started eating people. And then dumbasses like you go "this is more of the same crying wolf shit we heard in 2016" like you didn't see him eat people on live tv. Fuck right off. He ordered election officials in Georgia to find him the extra votes required and told them that if they didn't comply then very angry people would hold them personally responsible for the election result. You’re missing the sentiment of my post. Denying elections is pretty small potatoes compared to being Hitler, building the camps, nuclear holocaust, starting world war 3 and other things that were said about him. Your response reads “but we were right about the election denying.” The point is the message would be better received if 8 years weren’t spent saying a bunch of other things that weren’t right. Isn't Trump promising to deport millions of people to clean up the blood of the nation? I know he didn't literally say it like that, before you nit pick me, but he did say that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation" and that he will deport tens of millions. That sounds a bit hitlery to me. I mean, how is that going to go? They are going to have to forcefully remove people from their homes, right? Considering how trigger-happy police are, how many are just going to get flat out killed for resisting? If ICE finds a lot of resistance, and Trump gets a bill authorizing them to shoot to kill any immigrant that resists, do you think he would not sign it? No matter how you dress it up, it's still systematic ethnic cleansing. Implying that if Trump gets reelected ICE might go around shooting immigrants only adds to my point. Is your point that Trump actually doing all the things he has said he'll do would be very very bad, but we have to trust him not to do all the things he says he'll do because he's just saying them to get elected? Because that's a pretty bad point to be making... Has Trump said he would sign a bill authorizing ICE to shoot immigrants that resist deportation? Are ICE police? Do police shoot people that resist arrest? Like conservatives like to say, I'm just asking questions. No, police don’t shoot people that resist arrest your right, police also shoot people who don't resist arrest. Whether or not your resisting isn't relevant to police shooting you.
Turns out it’s pretty darn relevant to your chances of getting shot.
In Trumps version of reality the people coming over the southern border are rapists and murderers and in your version it’s the police. Yet people wonder why Trumps version of reality resonates with Joe Schmoe better than yours.
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