EPTUh, are you guys sure ESP doesn't mean "Extra Special People" in your case?
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
Uh, are you guys sure ESP doesn't mean "Extra Special People" in your case? | ||
Falling
Canada11380 Posts
This does not require a conniving harpy in the shadows to explain how we got here today. edit. Also. I call BS on whoever said Harris can't speak. Her first address was more than adequate. Maybe even good. Maybe she got coached since her first run, but 'she can't talk' in the present day seems to be a pretty irrelevant talking point as far as I can tell. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22003 Posts
Does that mean there is a shadow cabal and a conspiracy by the Biden family to keep him in power so they can mooch off of the power of the Presidency? Hell no. | ||
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Byo
Canada209 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On July 24 2024 02:42 Acrofales wrote: I mean, actual politicians close to him, cabinet members, senators, etc. who haven't seen a decline are either utterly incompetent or craven fools. The brunt of the blame should fall squarely on them. Unfortunately that is probably the biggest blemish on Harris, and should normally just outright disqualify her. But these aren't normal times. Sure feels like this sort of willful obliviousness/race to the bottom is actually just the bipartisan "new normal". I'm not even sure what we're supposed to believe about Harris' role in covering for Biden if not her doing it for her own craven political benefit, damn the consequences. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22003 Posts
On July 24 2024 03:44 GreenHorizons wrote: new?Sure feels like this sort of willful obliviousness/race to the bottom is actually just the bipartisan "new normal". I'm not even sure what we're supposed to believe about Harris' role in covering for Biden if not her doing it for her own craven political benefit, damn the consequences. Roosevelt, Kennedy, Reagan? The history of hiding illnesses of the President is probably as old as the office itself. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9144 Posts
It makes perfect sense that after the debate, the hail mary of pressuring him publicly to drop out came from Dem voices less attached to him rather than from those closest to him. | ||
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oBlade
United States5784 Posts
On July 24 2024 03:26 Falling wrote: Or maybe it's not so easy to convince grandpa to give up his keys. And maybe when grandpa is still convinced he can drive, you think, well maybe. And I'll do the best to support him as I can. Compensate and downplay his deficiencies. Cover it over. It's not that bad. He beat Trump once: the only one with a proven record of doing that. We can't gamble going with somebody else, giving up the incumbency advantage, so we'll limp along and get through the election. We can make it that far. I'm sure of it... until the debate and the self-delusion falls away. He actually cannot make it and we will lose the election unless he steps down. This does not require a conniving harpy in the shadows to explain how we got here today. There can certainly be an element of that, yet the harpy need not be Machiavellian, merely opportunistic would do - however, the NYT and Politico both reported it was the family, specifically Jill and Hunter, who were loudest in urging him to stay in the race (While the party at large might have thought of his candidacy as the best sure cure to Drumpf, I can't instantiate those motivations to his family's wanting him in the race at that point). + Show Spoiler + Thank you in advance for use of the keys analogy Basically, the family blamed staff and aides, staff and aides blamed CNN, and senior Democrats and donors watching blamed Biden. So it's more of a case where grandpa totaled the car on live TV, the family blamed the police for not fact checking another driver enough, and told the DMV to renew his license for 4 more years and if mechanics didn't help him drive right they'd be fired. It didn't come as a realization to them. There are even still holdouts saying if Biden hadn't backed out, the Twitter news cycle would have forgotten about it by this week. Which actually sounds true also. Either they were in long-term ignorance that spiked in a huge post-debate case of psychological denial, which weirdly only got miraculously cured after he lost all support and funding (absolute 180 degree turn by all involved, by their public messages of immediate endorsement and gratitude and so on), or they were defiantly trying to weather an increasing storm of unviability. The only explanations I see substitute stupidity for malice. I can't see an explanation that lacks both. I'd rather it be malice because that can be opposed and eliminated. But as The Emperor's Club says, stupid lasts forever. Like we have good news of the USSS director resigning, which is the first person in forever who has resigned due to abject failure. It turns out refusing to secure an ADA compliant roof because it's too dangerous, while putting snipers on a more sloped roof, and having a perimeter of shorter radius than the range of an AR15 (credit to AOC) is pure bullshit. Even General Milley never left. The Democrats need to just clean house. Menendez leaving is a fair start. Mayorkas, whose articles of impeachment the Senate still won't even hold an investigation and trial on, breaking hundreds of years of precedent, is ultimately in charge of USSS as DHS Sec, which it's confirmed by USSS spokespeople that they did actually deny/fail to meet requests for more security. And took Drumpf getting shot in the ear just for him to finally say "oh shit maybe we should finally provide protection to the presidential candidate named Kennedy now." | ||
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brian
United States9633 Posts
On July 24 2024 03:04 oBlade wrote: Let's look at this from another angle? You're married to a senile ex-racist who has not exactly the toughest and most draining - you're quite catered to and protected - but most important and difficult jobs in the world, especially difficult to do well as we all know. You have to constantly cover him when an aide or official tries to find him and asks you "Do you know where Joe is? I need him to be president for a minute," and it's after 4pm when he's napping, so you make up a lie to cover for him, handle the issue yourself, or direct the person to another appropriate bureaucrat. He wants to go in front of the entire country to convince them to let him do this for 4 more years. At that point, does anyone go along with it "Sure honey," without other reasons? Subject themselves, in their own advanced years, to even more selfless covering of his failures and sufferings as you said? Maybe I'm cynical but I hope I'd say "Let's call it quits, you're a vegetable and I'm tired." Can we at least agree those in his administration set on perpetuating their own power at the expense of re-electing a zombie (my God - remember when Austin was in the hospital, and nobody knew about it, and Biden was in this condition, and nobody would admit it - those are the two people with the nuclear codes - and they still have them) - can we agree those people have a culpability as Acrofales said? What's the jump over that one more step to also his spouse? She wasn't elected, but neither was almost anyone else appointed in an administration and staffing a White House. The future of that power is contingent on the election of someone else. It's all contingent on that one guy. All their careers. of course she would cover for him for no other reasons. what? do you have a significant other? would you really not do the same???? or for your own mom, would you sell her out just because? i imagine instead you would keep her private business to yourself. if she didn’t want to tell all her friends and family about feeling less than, you wouldn’t volunteer to do it for her. and no, under no circumstances would i assume a wife and child are exploiting their husband and father for their own personal gain. for the other folks in their administration, would i assume they are exploiting an old man for their own personal gain? no. do i think they had some responsibility to come clean with any negative experiences? yes. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
I mean maybe one can make certain accusations of Hunter Biden, but Jill just seems the archetypal supportive wife, and probably from an era culturally where that’s more unconditional. ‘You answered all the questions!’ after the debate was simultaneously pathetic, but also cute and uplifting in its own way. In terms of the Dem apparatus, I’d be much more critical. But Biden’s family being supportive? Like it’s a giant stretch. I don’t especially like the man’s politics either, but equally on a personal level he seems a decent fellow, with decent enough folks around him. | ||
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micronesia
United States24750 Posts
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On July 24 2024 05:26 micronesia wrote: Things might get really crazy tomorrow near the Capital with protests planned due to Netenyahu's visit. The country is probably still pretty sensitive to major demonstrations near the Capitol ever since January 6th, although this is quite different. Definitely a remote work day for me | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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micronesia
United States24750 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45175 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45175 Posts
On July 23 2024 01:57 oBlade wrote: Kamala can barely put a working sentence together. I don't think blatant falsehoods like this are going to stick. They can stick to Biden and Trump, for very valid reasons, but it's extremely clear that Harris can speak just fine. I'm sure that Republicans will cherry-pick the occasional gaff or awkward silence that any person could experience, but I don't think Republicans trying to make fun of Harris's speaking skills - when Trump is Trump - is a smart play. Here is Harris's first rally. Well-spoken, articulate, friendly, good energy, proud of the accomplishments that she and Biden share, capable of laying out her vision for the future, and not afraid to call out a 78-year-old fraudulent, lying, cheating, scamming, traitorous, predatory, traitorous, fascist, convicted criminal. | ||
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brian
United States9633 Posts
i know todays conversation is in juxtaposition to two old white men who are not, but never the less. that specific phrase is just not it. i hope i’m not over stepping here or projecting from my own little bubble 🤷🏻♂️ | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On July 24 2024 09:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't think blatant falsehoods like this are going to stick. They can stick to Biden and Trump, for very valid reasons, but it's extremely clear that Harris can speak just fine. I'm sure that Republicans will cherry-pick the occasional gaff or awkward silence that any person could experience, but I don't think Republicans trying to make fun of Harris's speaking skills - when Trump is Trump - is a smart play. Here is Harris's first rally. Well-spoken, articulate, friendly, good energy, proud of the accomplishments that she and Biden share, capable of laying out her vision for the future, and not afraid to call out a 78-year-old fraudulent, lying, cheating, scamming, traitorous, predatory, traitorous, fascist, convicted criminal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPQpRRPT5BU Man, that was fantastic and refreshing to watch after putting up with geriatrics for the last 4+ years. She actually is growing on me. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
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