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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
July 24 2024 10:55 GMT
#86001
On July 24 2024 19:41 EnDeR_ wrote:
At the end of the day, the election is no longer between doddering old man and racist grandpa. It is now about accomplished black woman Vs racist grandpa. Personally, this makes me feel far more hopeful about the election and even a little enthusiastic about the candidate.


While Harris dominates Trump simply on the substantive political accomplishments of the Biden-Harris administration vs. the failed Trump-Pence administration, it would be delicious icing on the cake for a racist misogynist/ cheater/ harasser/ assaulter/ rapist to lose the election to not just a superior candidate, but a woman of color. I hope that triggers Trump way more than when he had lost to Biden, and it would make Trump's record for presidential runs an overall losing one (1 win, 2 losses).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21952 Posts
July 24 2024 10:57 GMT
#86002
On July 24 2024 19:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I honestly don't understand why the Republicans are caught so off guard. While I'm sure a lot of them might have believed that Biden would never step down, surely they still should have prepared a contingency plan, just in case? Is it just because their singular plan of attack has been "crucify Biden for his age", and now that's not a point of vulnerability for Harris? Is it because they realize the Biden-Harris record is so much better than Trump's record? Since when do they care about political accomplishments though, because Trump's bread-and-butter are misogyny-and-racism, so why don't Republicans just play his greatest hits that resonate so well with his followers ("women are for sexual assaulting, not for leading the country!"; "maybe Kamala Harris was born in Kenya/India!"). Instead, even Trump and Fox News just seem completely befuddled. Maybe it's just hubris on their part.
Because they need more then MAGA to clinch the election.
They got slammed across the country for Roe v Wade and if they now run on "woman bad" they are only going to compound that issue.

They can't win an election without women.

And yes I honestly don't think they considered Biden would actually step aside even for a second. None of them would ever let go of the power of the Presidency so they cannot conceive someone else would.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
July 24 2024 11:03 GMT
#86003
On July 24 2024 19:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2024 19:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I honestly don't understand why the Republicans are caught so off guard. While I'm sure a lot of them might have believed that Biden would never step down, surely they still should have prepared a contingency plan, just in case? Is it just because their singular plan of attack has been "crucify Biden for his age", and now that's not a point of vulnerability for Harris? Is it because they realize the Biden-Harris record is so much better than Trump's record? Since when do they care about political accomplishments though, because Trump's bread-and-butter are misogyny-and-racism, so why don't Republicans just play his greatest hits that resonate so well with his followers ("women are for sexual assaulting, not for leading the country!"; "maybe Kamala Harris was born in Kenya/India!"). Instead, even Trump and Fox News just seem completely befuddled. Maybe it's just hubris on their part.
Because they need more then MAGA to clinch the election.
They got slammed across the country for Roe v Wade and if they now run on "woman bad" they are only going to compound that issue.

They can't win an election without women.


And yes I honestly don't think they considered Biden would actually step aside even for a second. None of them would ever let go of the power of the Presidency so they cannot conceive someone else would.


That's fair. A bunch of women voted for the Leopards Eating Women's Faces Party in 2016, and now they've realized that it kind of hurts. And with swing voters mostly being hesitant to back Biden due to his age, it seems sensible to rally behind Harris. At least, I hope that's the way things play out. Even if Harris is leading Trump in the November polls, he'll still have a good shot at winning the presidency.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 11:44:56
July 24 2024 11:44 GMT
#86004
On July 24 2024 17:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2024 17:22 r00ty wrote:
On July 24 2024 16:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 24 2024 16:23 r00ty wrote:

Why does it feel like the democrats pulled some trick?


Because they did. Changing candidates when the convention is in a couple of weeks? Having pledged delegates flip their votes within a matter of a couple of days? That literally does not happen. We're in uncharted territory here in terms of what is normal for an election.

We've had contested conventions before, but we've never had this exact thing happen.

The Republicans are spinning because they've never seen this before. They had money already wrapped up in anti-Biden ads, anti-Biden merchandise, they've been going over talking points for the last 6 months, cutting and editing film from his press conferences, all of the Hunter Biden shit they were going to bring back up during the general.

All of that is pretty much useless now. They have to start over.

I'm not saying what the Democrats did was under-handed or even deliberate this all looks like the result of Joe Biden pulling the wool over the eyes of the party until he wasn't able to be hidden anymore and the Democrats scrambling to respond to the public backlash. It's chaotic and messy because no one was prepared for it.

I'm still here fucking pissed off that it even got to this point because I thought Joe Biden shouldn't have run for reelection in the first place, and that the Democrats should have pressured him a lot harder not to, but they didn't and the Republicans were more than happy to let them walk into that trap.

Now they've pivoted much faster than anyone expected them to and the Republicans are scrambling to keep up.


I think the process was fair game legitimized by being the right decision considering how important the office is. Biden severely declined over the last months everyone could see it, that was foreseeable but not clear when he decided to run again.

Running for a second term is probably Bidens worst decision he ever made. Otherwise it was a pretty stellar presidency. Just saying this switcheroo will probably be more effective than choosing another candidate from the start, because of the reasons you mentionend. They are really struggling to find the right angle to attack Harris at the moment.


Maybe in terms of cut throat politics only it might be the right move, but in terms of doing right by your constituents, this entire election is doing nothing but making me a VERY frustrated voter.+ Show Spoiler +


This entire thing surrounding Biden dropping out of the race so late in the election has only dialed my distaste for the Democratic party up to 11.

I mean this with all sincerity, if it wasn't for how fucking abhorrent the Republicans are, I would absolutely love to cast a protest vote to punish the Democrats for what they did this year. They seemingly bypassed the entire primary process, even if it was done for the right reasons and even if it was done somewhat unintentionally the point is that they used the incumbment status of Joe Biden to push Kamala Harris in as the nominee without giving a fair chance for anyone to challenge her. That doesn't sit right with me, I feel like one of the only pieces of my vote that matters anymore just got taken away from me and not just this year but next election also.

That's just me, that is my testimony as a single non-partisan voter in California. I can't speak to how the rest of the electorate will respond to this, but people need to keep that in mind when talking about what a "shrewd" move this was.


Understandable, but this is representative democracy at work. It just really sucks when you only have 2 parties with one of them being a cult.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11929 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 12:02:43
July 24 2024 11:56 GMT
#86005
On July 24 2024 20:44 r00ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2024 17:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 24 2024 17:22 r00ty wrote:
On July 24 2024 16:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 24 2024 16:23 r00ty wrote:

Why does it feel like the democrats pulled some trick?


Because they did. Changing candidates when the convention is in a couple of weeks? Having pledged delegates flip their votes within a matter of a couple of days? That literally does not happen. We're in uncharted territory here in terms of what is normal for an election.

We've had contested conventions before, but we've never had this exact thing happen.

The Republicans are spinning because they've never seen this before. They had money already wrapped up in anti-Biden ads, anti-Biden merchandise, they've been going over talking points for the last 6 months, cutting and editing film from his press conferences, all of the Hunter Biden shit they were going to bring back up during the general.

All of that is pretty much useless now. They have to start over.

I'm not saying what the Democrats did was under-handed or even deliberate this all looks like the result of Joe Biden pulling the wool over the eyes of the party until he wasn't able to be hidden anymore and the Democrats scrambling to respond to the public backlash. It's chaotic and messy because no one was prepared for it.

I'm still here fucking pissed off that it even got to this point because I thought Joe Biden shouldn't have run for reelection in the first place, and that the Democrats should have pressured him a lot harder not to, but they didn't and the Republicans were more than happy to let them walk into that trap.

Now they've pivoted much faster than anyone expected them to and the Republicans are scrambling to keep up.


I think the process was fair game legitimized by being the right decision considering how important the office is. Biden severely declined over the last months everyone could see it, that was foreseeable but not clear when he decided to run again.

Running for a second term is probably Bidens worst decision he ever made. Otherwise it was a pretty stellar presidency. Just saying this switcheroo will probably be more effective than choosing another candidate from the start, because of the reasons you mentionend. They are really struggling to find the right angle to attack Harris at the moment.


Maybe in terms of cut throat politics only it might be the right move, but in terms of doing right by your constituents, this entire election is doing nothing but making me a VERY frustrated voter.+ Show Spoiler +


This entire thing surrounding Biden dropping out of the race so late in the election has only dialed my distaste for the Democratic party up to 11.

I mean this with all sincerity, if it wasn't for how fucking abhorrent the Republicans are, I would absolutely love to cast a protest vote to punish the Democrats for what they did this year. They seemingly bypassed the entire primary process, even if it was done for the right reasons and even if it was done somewhat unintentionally the point is that they used the incumbment status of Joe Biden to push Kamala Harris in as the nominee without giving a fair chance for anyone to challenge her. That doesn't sit right with me, I feel like one of the only pieces of my vote that matters anymore just got taken away from me and not just this year but next election also.

That's just me, that is my testimony as a single non-partisan voter in California. I can't speak to how the rest of the electorate will respond to this, but people need to keep that in mind when talking about what a "shrewd" move this was.


Understandable, but this is representative democracy at work. It just really sucks when you only have 2 parties with one of them being a cult.


Was chatting to a colleague a few days ago and pointed to a random rock and said I would vote for that over Trump. At least the rock isn't intentionally trying to make things worse and would have a better run than Trumps is likely to be.

Representative democracy does not need to end up in 2 party systems. First past the post does in most countries, then those parties entrench themselves further to make it harder to get switched out. In a well run first past the post system the republicans would have fractured into a new party instead of just keeping sliding further into the rich pockets and being forced into far right politics to get elected.

The larger argument that you end up with a political class not representing the average voter in most representative democracies has a stronger argument though. Amount of parties does not matter if they support the same few core issues that voters don't agree with. There are plenty of representative democracies that have not fallen into that trap but many that have as well.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4862 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 13:38:07
July 24 2024 13:37 GMT
#86006
Ok the past few days have been fun to read, but I have to ask which Republicans are "scrambling"? Some random doomers on social media? The right never has any shortage of those people. I read the Trump campaign was preparing for this months ago, though they thought that it was too late only a month before the convention. Until 5 minutes ago it was generally accepted that Kamala was a bad candidate who fizzled in 2020. One reason it took so long to get Biden out was because of who his obvious successor was. The only person Republicans want to run against *more* than Harris is Biden himself. So while I'm watching this brief moment of Democratic relief I think they shouldn't get carried away. No one is afraid of Kamala Harris, if anything thr attitude on the right is still too jubilant, they can still lose.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 13:58:41
July 24 2024 13:48 GMT
#86007
On July 24 2024 22:37 Introvert wrote:
Ok the past few days have been fun to read, but I have to ask which Republicans are "scrambling"? Some random doomers on social media? The right never has any shortage of those people. I read the Trump campaign was preparing for this months ago, though they thought that it was too late only a month before the convention. Until 5 minutes ago it was generally accepted that Kamala was a bad candidate who fizzled in 2020. One reason it took so long to get Biden out was because of who his obvious successor was. The only person Republicans want to run against *more* than Harris is Biden himself. So while I'm watching this brief moment of Democratic relief I think they shouldn't get carried away. No one is afraid of Kamala Harris, if anything thr attitude on the right is still too jubilant, they can still lose.


Apparently not. The best Trump and Fox News (not exactly "random doomers on social media") have come up with, so far, is that they don't like Harris's laugh. They're spending more time whining about how Biden dropping out puts Trump and Republicans in the awkward spot of having to come up with a new plan, instead of being able to perpetually run on the single note of "Biden is too old". Meanwhile, Harris is breaking fundraising records and is tying Trump in early election polls. Conservatives are caught off guard. "No one is afraid of Kamala Harris" is clearly false, and it's nice to see that vulnerability.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
July 24 2024 14:04 GMT
#86008
Legitimately fantastic speech. I had completely and totally forgotten what it is like to view a presidential candidate favorably.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4862 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 14:20:42
July 24 2024 14:17 GMT
#86009
On July 24 2024 22:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2024 22:37 Introvert wrote:
Ok the past few days have been fun to read, but I have to ask which Republicans are "scrambling"? Some random doomers on social media? The right never has any shortage of those people. I read the Trump campaign was preparing for this months ago, though they thought that it was too late only a month before the convention. Until 5 minutes ago it was generally accepted that Kamala was a bad candidate who fizzled in 2020. One reason it took so long to get Biden out was because of who his obvious successor was. The only person Republicans want to run against *more* than Harris is Biden himself. So while I'm watching this brief moment of Democratic relief I think they shouldn't get carried away. No one is afraid of Kamala Harris, if anything thr attitude on the right is still too jubilant, they can still lose.


Apparently not. The best Trump and Fox News (not exactly "random doomers on social media") have come up with, so far, is that they don't like Harris's laugh. They're spending more time whining about how Biden dropping out puts Trump and Republicans in the awkward spot of having to come up with a new plan, instead of being able to perpetually run on the single note of "Biden is too old". Meanwhile, Harris is breaking fundraising records and is tying Trump in early election polls. Conservatives are caught off guard. "No one is afraid of Kamala Harris" is clearly false, and it's nice to see that vulnerability.


Dude are you only reading from Dems defending her? I'm pretty sure someone asked for this the other day, but who exactly is afraid? Its wild how fast people are willing to change and pretend they havent. A few weeks ago dems "knew" that Biden was ok and that Kamala was a bad candidate. Now somehow things have reversed on a dime. I get having some relief at a change but this is silly.

We already know how they are going to attack her, they are already talking about it. They will tie her to her boss who is overwhelmingly unpopular. I know in Democrat land Biden is a good president but to most of the country he's a failure. Ans they will pull out all of her left-wing positions from the 2020 primary. And charisma (or lack thereof) is a fair thing to use to your advantage considering Obama's entire rise was that and some good speeches. The ads are going to talk more about this administration and her positions, her awkwardness will be background, but not unused. She went from rising star to fizzle before even Iowa. Let's not pretend she is particularly good at this.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 14:34:51
July 24 2024 14:32 GMT
#86010
On July 24 2024 23:17 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2024 22:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 24 2024 22:37 Introvert wrote:
Ok the past few days have been fun to read, but I have to ask which Republicans are "scrambling"? Some random doomers on social media? The right never has any shortage of those people. I read the Trump campaign was preparing for this months ago, though they thought that it was too late only a month before the convention. Until 5 minutes ago it was generally accepted that Kamala was a bad candidate who fizzled in 2020. One reason it took so long to get Biden out was because of who his obvious successor was. The only person Republicans want to run against *more* than Harris is Biden himself. So while I'm watching this brief moment of Democratic relief I think they shouldn't get carried away. No one is afraid of Kamala Harris, if anything thr attitude on the right is still too jubilant, they can still lose.


Apparently not. The best Trump and Fox News (not exactly "random doomers on social media") have come up with, so far, is that they don't like Harris's laugh. They're spending more time whining about how Biden dropping out puts Trump and Republicans in the awkward spot of having to come up with a new plan, instead of being able to perpetually run on the single note of "Biden is too old". Meanwhile, Harris is breaking fundraising records and is tying Trump in early election polls. Conservatives are caught off guard. "No one is afraid of Kamala Harris" is clearly false, and it's nice to see that vulnerability.


Dude are you only reading from Dems defending her? I'm pretty sure someone asked for this the other day, but who exactly is afraid? Its wild how fast people are willing to change and pretend they havent. A few weeks ago dems "knew" that Biden was ok and that Kamala was a bad candidate. Now somehow things have reversed on a dime. I get having some relief at a change but this is silly.

We already know how they are going to attack her, they are already talking about it. They will tie her to her boss who is overwhelmingly unpopular. I know in Democrat land Biden is a good president but to most of the country he's a failure. Ans they will pull out all of her left-wing positions from the 2020 primary. And charisma (or lack thereof) is a fair thing to use to your advantage considering Obama's entire rise was that and some good speeches. The ads are going to talk more about this administration and her positions, her awkwardness will be background, but not unused. She went from rising star to fizzle before even Iowa. Let's not pretend she is particularly good at this.


I appreciate your confidence in what the Republicans will eventually do to counter Harris, but that's not the same as acknowledging that right now they're making incredibly weak attacks. They weren't ready. I'm sure they'll get ready, eventually, but right now they're on defense. Trump's tweets and Fox News's reports are extremely defensive and dodgy. Even oBlade is like "I know Harris is the presumptive nominee now... but that Biden guy, we should all hate his wife for being a secret power-hungry human being!" As if we needed more conspiracy theories, and as if Trump wasn't precisely that power-hungry human being that Jill Biden is being accused of. You could start off the relevant, legitimate criticism of Harris, even before Trump and Republican leaders do. I'm sure there's plenty.

And if you really think that Trump is going to attack Harris on "her left-wing positions" that are popular, or attempt to go head-to-head with Harris on their respective political accomplishments, then I hope you're right. I will pray to the god I don't believe in that Trump tries to make this an election based on substance and policy, because that would be the worst pivot possible for Republicans.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4862 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 14:43:39
July 24 2024 14:43 GMT
#86011
They are already doing it, but I have noticed thet so far no one can find a Republican of note (or one at all, as of yet) who is "afraid" of Harris...is wveyone here going to do the type of reasoning-by-inference they were criticizing oBlade for?

And there are already ads, including this one from McCormick in PA doing what I said they would do.

https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1815903712180621734
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11929 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 14:48:31
July 24 2024 14:48 GMT
#86012
On July 24 2024 23:43 Introvert wrote:
They are already doing it, but I have noticed thet so far no one can find a Republican of note (or one at all, as of yet) who is "afraid" of Harris...is wveyone here going to do the type of reasoning-by-inference they were criticizing oBlade for?

And there are already ads, including this one from McCormick in PA doing what I said they would do.

https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1815903712180621734


The fun part for me as an outsider is that that ran as an ad on why to vote for her, highlighting clear topics she wants to change and improve. Thus Republicans would most likely not use that one against city dwelling people in "purple" states.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2603 Posts
July 24 2024 14:51 GMT
#86013
On July 24 2024 23:43 Introvert wrote:
They are already doing it, but I have noticed thet so far no one can find a Republican of note (or one at all, as of yet) who is "afraid" of Harris...is wveyone here going to do the type of reasoning-by-inference they were criticizing oBlade for?

And there are already ads, including this one from McCormick in PA doing what I said they would do.

https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1815903712180621734


I think "Republicans in Shambles!" is the newspaper headline version of it, where the 'actual article' behind it is just "It's kind of funny that republicans seem thrown off by this turn of events and seem disorganized and scrabmbling on how to react". You might read the headline and think the actual article is "X Specific republican was found outside a bar last night crying and sobbing "Why Kamala"", but that's not what I'm seeing for the actual article. It seems like people are just amused at how there's no clear, coordinated narrative from the party that for the last several cycles does their best to coordinate a narrative.

It's important to read the 'actual article' and not just the headline. It's the same thing as reading the "Trump is a victim of lawfare!" headline and assuming that means conservatives believe Trump didn't actually do any of the crimes, when in reality the article states the more reasoned conservative argument of "He did do those crimes, it's just fucked that he's getting prosecuted for them"

*Necessary disclaimer, I'm not representing that argument as my own, merely pointing out that it's more reasoned than claiming he didn't do the crimes he did.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
July 24 2024 15:00 GMT
#86014
On July 24 2024 23:43 Introvert wrote:
They are already doing it, but I have noticed thet so far no one can find a Republican of note (or one at all, as of yet) who is "afraid" of Harris...is wveyone here going to do the type of reasoning-by-inference they were criticizing oBlade for?

And there are already ads, including this one from McCormick in PA doing what I said they would do.

https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1815903712180621734


That's amazing. I hope they play that ad. I guess Republicans would help convince the left wing to vote for Harris by repeating that she is "the most liberal nominee ever", and I imagine that swing voters wouldn't mind knowing that she is "opposed to any policy that would deny any human being public health". I can see it now: Even the Republican attack ads include clips of people admitting that Harris is "inspiring", "very capable", and are "particularly impressed by her ability". All that clip-splicing to make Harris look bad, yet it could easily be spun into a positive. Thanks for sharing
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4862 Posts
July 24 2024 15:01 GMT
#86015
See, i disagree with the premise. They weren't expecting Kamala at this late date and so maybe they have to pull out some stuff they had shelved, but I certainly don't see any evidence they are afraid. I think the prosecutor angle is lame, and given how the lawfare against Trump has had minimal impact, idk how well it will work. But we shall see.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 15:07:37
July 24 2024 15:07 GMT
#86016
On July 25 2024 00:01 Introvert wrote:
See, i disagree with the premise. They weren't expecting Kamala at this late date and so maybe they have to pull out some stuff they had shelved, but I certainly don't see any evidence they are afraid. I think the prosecutor angle is lame, and given how the lawfare against Trump has had minimal impact, idk how well it will work. But we shall see.


I think the prosecutor vs. criminal framing of Harris vs. Trump could be a good strategy for the Democrats, as it continuously brings up the fact that Trump has been found guilty of dozens of crimes, is a fraud, is a sexual predator, and so on. It's also true. Furthermore, it destroys the idea that Republicans are the party of law and order. Perhaps it seems lame because civilly-liable rapists probably don't enjoy being known for raping people.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 15:20:18
July 24 2024 15:13 GMT
#86017
I never said we should hate Jill Biden. The people around Joe, the current president, have perpetrated elder abuse, and people have been pointing that out for at least a year now. The fact that in one moment of oBlade's life he talked about something other than Kamala Harris, around whom the world does not revolve, doesn't mean the GOP is fumbling and has no idea how to campaign in 2024.

On July 24 2024 09:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On July 23 2024 01:57 oBlade wrote:
Kamala can barely put a working sentence together.


I don't think blatant falsehoods like this are going to stick. They can stick to Biden and Trump, for very valid reasons,

Yeah I missed this gem. There's definitely no issue getting blatant falsehoods to stick to Drumpf, I wholeheartedly agree.

On July 24 2024 09:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
but it's extremely clear that Harris can speak just fine. I'm sure that Republicans will cherry-pick the occasional gaff or awkward silence that any person could experience, but I don't think Republicans trying to make fun of Harris's speaking skills - when Trump is Trump - is a smart play.

Drumpf has been speaking to the American people for 40 years. You're confusing the fact that you don't want to hear anything he has to say with something about his communication skills, which is a mistake. He's from the hospitality sector. He knows how to speak and have conversations. It's not hard to understand Drumpf. He famously speaks at like a 4th grade reading level? So even someone who came out of the public school system should be able to understand him. You simply need awareness of irony and a sense of humor - not stark literalism - ability to realize that Drumpf utilizes not only logos, but pathos and ethos significantly in his rhetoric - therefore also required are awareness of current events and the ability to relate to the world outside of a constant state of valley-accent-expressed stupefaction, otherwise a person would end up regularly making titanically embarrassing mistakes, like when the ignorant or dishonest media came out and said "Illegal immigrants don't need to worry about 'coyotes,' Drumpf is an idiot, we called the Department of the Interior and coyotes don't even live in this area!"

Harris can certainly read. Possibly better than Drumpf, I'd need to watch more teleprompter speeches. Many people can actually read better than Drumpf, both in the GOP and out.

Biden remains at a level where he basically can't identify any living world leader correctly, including himself and his vice president, both of whom he has called Donald Trump. He reads words from a teleprompter that are not supposed to be read, and he omits or skips words in plain view and acts like nothing happened. He and Jason Statham need to have a competition for how many separate words they can combine into one amalgamation of weird sound. Jason Statham can come out and say, "Dyknowmean?" And Biden can say "You know the thing." Biden and Drumpf are both old, yes, but they are not the same, that's a false equivalence.

On July 24 2024 09:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Here is Harris's first rally. Well-spoken, articulate, friendly, good energy, proud of the accomplishments that she and Biden share, capable of laying out her vision for the future, and not afraid to call out a 78-year-old fraudulent, lying, cheating, scamming, traitorous, predatory, traitorous, fascist, convicted criminal.

Yes how brave of her, nobody has ever done that before.

Dodged any bullets along the way?

Harris can certainly read. Possibly better than Drumpf, I'd need to watch more. Many people can actually read better than Drumpf, in the GOP and out. That's not disputed.

Speaking "better" has basically 2 dimensions. One is that people want to listen to you - obviously Drumpf has the charisma to make this happen and can capture the attention of huge crowds and millions in audiences. He can also hold long interviews without losing it. You can't do that without certain elocution skills.

The other is a kind of objective rhetorical way, that you'd expect to grade orators in an actual debate or court or history book. I see Drumpf smashing her on the first and neither clearing the bar on the second (To be fair, I hate everyone and don't think anyone clears that bar).

Harris's issue is lack of thoughts or beliefs to actually communicate, which is why when she does an interview or takes questions or does a VP debate she gets put in spots where she freezes (Legitimately if she has a clinical problem, fair enough - more likely is that she's personally atrocious, according to reports of being an insecure-due-to-incompetence bully).

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On July 25 2024 00:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Perhaps it seems lame because civilly-liable rapists probably don't enjoy being known for raping people.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
July 24 2024 15:16 GMT
#86018
On July 25 2024 00:01 Introvert wrote:
See, i disagree with the premise. They weren't expecting Kamala at this late date and so maybe they have to pull out some stuff they had shelved, but I certainly don't see any evidence they are afraid. I think the prosecutor angle is lame, and given how the lawfare against Trump has had minimal impact, idk how well it will work. But we shall see.

Trump has a very long criminal history. This lawfare thing isn’t true and will never be true. The only reason he’s not behind bars is the deference he’s been given as a prominent Republican politician. Conservatives can never tell the difference between privilege and persecution.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21952 Posts
July 24 2024 15:22 GMT
#86019
lol we're up to elderly abuse now. This keeps getting better and better.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-24 15:32:03
July 24 2024 15:29 GMT
#86020
On July 25 2024 00:13 oBlade wrote:
I never said we should hate Jill Biden.

Maybe you don't include yourself in "we", and that's your prerogative, but you attempted to incite anger and hatred towards Jill Biden with your own personal delusion about her. After all, if she's the reason why Joe Biden didn't back down sooner, then Democrats would have had more time to switch to Harris (or an open primary) than they do now... if only Jill Biden wasn't such a power-hungry human being who messed everything up for us.

Drumpf has been speaking to the American people for 40 years.

And he's well past his prime. Over the past few years, there have been clear signs of aging and cognitive decline. He messes up names, makes up words, and trails off with his speech. Sometimes he wanders off or falls down. We really should talk about that more, especially since he's the oldest presidential nominee in the history of the United States. He should be taking cognitive tests every month, just to keep us updated on how fast his brain is deteriorating. Biden and Democrats did the responsible thing by replacing Biden; it's only fair for Trump to step down too.

He famously speaks at like a 4th grade reading level

Why is that a good thing? Why do we want a 78-year-old 4th grader to be our president?
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