|
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.
Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread |
On July 24 2024 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2024 23:33 oBlade wrote:
... Imagine Biden had actually stuck to his promise of being a one term president, not been coerced by his son and wife to hold on to their power ... Is there any evidence that Jill or Hunter coerced Joe to stay in the race, let alone specifically for the reason of holding on to their power (whatever that means)? "Dad, you have to stay in the race so Republicans can keep spreading images of my dick"
He also implies Biden was threatened with removal from office if he didn't step aside which would probably be the biggest self own since the British voted to impose economic sanctions upon themselves.
I assume its random trash from the depths of the Republican social media throwing shit at the wall.
|
On July 23 2024 23:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2024 12:52 Razyda wrote:On July 23 2024 12:39 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2024 11:05 Razyda wrote:
1. This thread is amusing tbh. The same people who complained when oBlade said that they are religious when it comes to Democratic party are the same people who were arguing that Trump is more declined than Biden in this very thread.
2. Now they claim that "unburdened" Kamala is great and obvious candidate(after arguing how fantastic candidate
Biden is and how he should step down???).
3. Now same guys arguing that it is perfectly legal to swap candidate. The reason it is hilarious is that you would have vote Democrats candidate if it was cart of compost, but as it happens you wont be deciding this election, your votes are counted beforehand.
4.The people who will decide this election saw:
Political opponent prosecuted,
Attempt of assassination of aforementioned opponent
and ignoring primary results.
Honestly GLHF guys and to be even more honest GGNoRe Who are the people who are actually saying these things? If you specify and I'll have time I'll will answer. GH actually put a poll up seeing some attitudes, and in a thread that’s very Dem/Dem-adjacent in composition I don’t think its results will be unreflective of ‘the Dems’ and they don’t really mesh with your read here. 1. As one of the ones who did argue against oBlade’s characterisation, it was specifically on the ‘x is like a religion’ angle. Slavish loyalty to an entity can still exist without it being a religion. You definitely have a problem with politics in general, but very notably in the States where it’s akin to the blind support and bias one might see more in sports fans. That absolutely is a problem, and I amongst others are certainly critical of the ‘vote Blue no matter who’ line of thinking. However, that’s more a general populace issue, I think it’s much less prevalent in this specific thread amongst its users. I don’t think Trump has declined, indeed in a conversation I had the other night, I made the observation that as a borderline psychopath and not giving a shit, he’s actually somewhat immune to the stresses of the office. Look at how other former Presidents have visibly aged atypically quickly in the role, I don’t think this really affects Trump. That observation aside, I don’t think people were ever really arguing that Trump has declined, just that he was never mentally suitable in the first place. Thus it was a toss-up between that, and a Biden who was showing some wear and tear of age, that most didn’t deny, just also didn’t think it was as bad as it subsequently showed to be. I’ll add that you can go back to the night of debate and a lot of posters changed position on Biden’s capability when presented with that evidence. 2. There’s a difference between thinking someone is a great candidate, a viable one, or simply the only realistic one in a given scenario. With Harris, far more of the thread are going with options 2 and 3 there. Or as per GH’s poll actually want a primary/prefer other options. So I don’t think this really accurately reflects thread sentiment. Of regular posters I think only really DPB was previously a particularly enthusiastic about Biden, in the beyond merely acceptable sense. 3. It is perfectly legal to do this. Whether it’s a good idea or not is an issue of some contentious debate in here however. I mean in the UK we have a different system of course but we’re just out of multiple unelected Prime Ministers, which was less than ideal to my sensibilities. 4. I think it’s a ridiculous claim to link the attempted assassination to the Dem party apparatus. I think you post pretty sensibly in general but you’re almost completely off on this one
Thank you for good reply:
1 - Bolded - Doesnt saying "x is like a religion" specify that x is not a religion, but have some similarities, like the one mentioned in second and third bolded sentences?
Italic and also point 2 - I think most US voters in this thread most certainly will vote Blue in this election no matter what. In GH poll there wasn't a question whether people going to vote democrats, it was merely asking what would they prefer.
3 - My entire point is that it doesnt matter whether it is legal, because optics of it are so bad. I think actually holding some rushed primary would give them best chance to win.
Again this election will be decided bv people who arent sure yet who the going to vote for and this people saw:
Political opponent prosecuted,
Attempt of assassination of aforementioned opponent
and ignoring primary results.
I am not saying that democrats/Biden are responsible for second, but this is what happened to their opponent.
4 - yes it is - however I am willing to bet you, that it would take no more than 5 minutes of searching on YouTube or Twitter to find people saying just that, some probably with millions of followers. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump started saying it himself soon (or maybe he already did dunno).
|
We live in a very funny timeline. I feel like there was no world where Harris would be popular or exciting to people. And after 24 hours she's already a giant GenZ sensation because of coconuts. What a world. Every week feels more crazy than the last. And yet we have months left.
|
On July 24 2024 01:45 Mohdoo wrote:
We live in a very funny timeline. I feel like there was no world where Harris would be popular or exciting to people. And after 24 hours she's already a giant GenZ sensation because of coconuts. What a world. Every week feels more crazy than the last. And yet we have months left.
Apparently, the party and the people are clearly unifying behind her. I'm pleasantly surprised too.
"Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit"
"Less than 48 hours have passed since President Joe Biden announced his withdrawal from the election and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president. In that time, Harris’ campaign has already made history, raising more than $100 million, the campaign said Tuesday. It’s the largest fundraising haul of any candidate ever over that time period, with over $81 million raised in the 24 hours after Biden announced he would not seek another term"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/
As a result of this unification, she's essentially locked up the nomination within two days:
"Late Monday night, NBC News projected that Harris had won endorsements from a majority of the Democratic party’s pledged convention delegates. The threshold is 1,976 delegates, and NBC estimates that Harris has the spoken or written backing of 1,992 delegates."
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html
|
On July 24 2024 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2024 23:33 oBlade wrote:
... Imagine Biden had actually stuck to his promise of being a one term president, not been coerced by his son and wife to hold on to their power ... Is there any evidence that Jill or Hunter coerced Joe to stay in the race, let alone specifically for the reason of holding on to their power (whatever that means)?
The power of inference - from even a year ago when Biden was constantly falling in public, saying he spoke to dead world leaders and naming the wrong leaders, and speaking in a way we were gaslit to believe was some kind of lifelong stutter - despite being his family and the people closest to him knowing his condition, certainly weren't doing the humane thing of intervening to get him to retire. Despite even back then there were calls from within his own party not to run again - as he said himself he wouldn't if he won in 2020, just save us from Drumpf and then pass the torch. Even in the blitz of the last week when everyone from Obama to Pelosi to name any Democrat you want, Jill was clinging on. So you have all the money and the puppetmasters saying get out - what's the opposition to that? Not the wife leading him around like a baby after his debate, sitting in WH meetings with him. Nor the son, who got and blew through foreign millions using the "big guy," doing the same, inserting himself, one of his only skills, into the WH.
I mean it'd obviously be them. Coerced was probably too strong - Biden the notorious short-tempered egomaniac wouldn't need any persuasion to stay in - coerced is more what happened with the reported 25th amendment coup.
|
On July 24 2024 02:08 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2024 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 23 2024 23:33 oBlade wrote:
... Imagine Biden had actually stuck to his promise of being a one term president, not been coerced by his son and wife to hold on to their power ... Is there any evidence that Jill or Hunter coerced Joe to stay in the race, let alone specifically for the reason of holding on to their power (whatever that means)? The power of inference - from even a year ago when Biden was constantly falling in public, saying he spoke to dead world leaders and naming the wrong leaders, and speaking in a way we were gaslit to believe was some kind of lifelong stutter - despite being his family and the people closest to him knowing his condition, certainly weren't doing the humane thing of intervening to get him to retire. Despite even back then there were calls from within his own party not to run again - as he said himself he wouldn't if he won in 2020, just save us from Drumpf and then pass the torch. Even in the blitz of the last week when everyone from Obama to Pelosi to name any Democrat you want, Jill was clinging on. So you have all the money and the puppetmasters saying get out - what's the opposition to that? Not the wife leading him around like a baby after his debate, sitting in WH meetings with him. Nor the son, who got and blew through foreign millions using the "big guy," doing the same, inserting himself, one of his only skills, into the WH.
Okay cool. Just wanted to confirm that the answer was No, and that it's just another conspiracy theory. Thanks 
|
On July 24 2024 02:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2024 02:08 oBlade wrote:On July 24 2024 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 23 2024 23:33 oBlade wrote:
... Imagine Biden had actually stuck to his promise of being a one term president, not been coerced by his son and wife to hold on to their power ... Is there any evidence that Jill or Hunter coerced Joe to stay in the race, let alone specifically for the reason of holding on to their power (whatever that means)? The power of inference - from even a year ago when Biden was constantly falling in public, saying he spoke to dead world leaders and naming the wrong leaders, and speaking in a way we were gaslit to believe was some kind of lifelong stutter - despite being his family and the people closest to him knowing his condition, certainly weren't doing the humane thing of intervening to get him to retire. Despite even back then there were calls from within his own party not to run again - as he said himself he wouldn't if he won in 2020, just save us from Drumpf and then pass the torch. Even in the blitz of the last week when everyone from Obama to Pelosi to name any Democrat you want, Jill was clinging on. So you have all the money and the puppetmasters saying get out - what's the opposition to that? Not the wife leading him around like a baby after his debate, sitting in WH meetings with him. Nor the son, who got and blew through foreign millions using the "big guy," doing the same, inserting himself, one of his only skills, into the WH. Okay cool. Just wanted to confirm that the answer was No, and that it's just another conspiracy theory. Thanks
In other words, another thing reported next week as true on the front page of the NYT.
|
On July 24 2024 02:16 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2024 02:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 24 2024 02:08 oBlade wrote:On July 24 2024 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 23 2024 23:33 oBlade wrote:
... Imagine Biden had actually stuck to his promise of being a one term president, not been coerced by his son and wife to hold on to their power ... Is there any evidence that Jill or Hunter coerced Joe to stay in the race, let alone specifically for the reason of holding on to their power (whatever that means)? The power of inference - from even a year ago when Biden was constantly falling in public, saying he spoke to dead world leaders and naming the wrong leaders, and speaking in a way we were gaslit to believe was some kind of lifelong stutter - despite being his family and the people closest to him knowing his condition, certainly weren't doing the humane thing of intervening to get him to retire. Despite even back then there were calls from within his own party not to run again - as he said himself he wouldn't if he won in 2020, just save us from Drumpf and then pass the torch. Even in the blitz of the last week when everyone from Obama to Pelosi to name any Democrat you want, Jill was clinging on. So you have all the money and the puppetmasters saying get out - what's the opposition to that? Not the wife leading him around like a baby after his debate, sitting in WH meetings with him. Nor the son, who got and blew through foreign millions using the "big guy," doing the same, inserting himself, one of his only skills, into the WH. Okay cool. Just wanted to confirm that the answer was No, and that it's just another conspiracy theory. Thanks In other words, another thing reported next week as true on the front page of the NYT.
Wanna bet?
|
classic projection.
hunter biden must obviously be puppeting his father around and forcing him to stay in power to maximize the grift, because that’s exactly what Trump and his family are doing.
so, obviously my detective skills lead one to infer the obvious. jill and hunter are power hungry grifters.
brutal. would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.
|
What are you even trying to say is a conspiracy theory?
Was Biden and his family forthright about his condition just six months ago at the beginning of the primary or not? Did they encourage him to drop out then or not?
If they were not hiding it, did he really deteriorate so rapidly in just 6 months from genius political maverick as to be physically and mentally incapable of running? If that were true, why was there so much evidence of his condition 6 months ago that I was told was disinformation, and that unedited videos of him on stage were deepfakes?
I'm sitting here looking at headlines from multiple outlets a week ago saying Republican chatter about a move to pressure Biden to drop out and replace him is a conspiracy theory and this week I'm reading the truth trickle out about how he was finally forced out. I say "finally" because this would have saved everyone a lot of headache half a year ago except one group of people for whom abdicating would be inconvenient once having tasted power.
|
is any of that meant to address your claim that the family is obviously propping him up and forcing him to stay in the race like Jeff Dunham and his old man puppet? (there’s a serious resemblance here though for real, anyone else? if i knew how to put small images here i would but i guarantee it would be gargantuan and take up a whole screen)
or are you just suggesting that a president seeking a second term is enough to imply it? because i may have some startling news for you about the republican candidate
|
On July 24 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:
What are you even trying to say is a conspiracy theory?
The one assertion of yours that I quoted and asked you to justify. Just that one line - that Joe was coerced by Jill and Hunter to run a second time, so that Jill and Hunter could hold on to their power.
You were unable to support it with actual evidence. Just speculation.
|
On July 24 2024 02:25 brian wrote:
classic projection.
hunter biden must obviously be puppeting his father around and forcing him to stay in power to maximize the grift, because that’s exactly what Trump and his family are doing.
Not "must be," "must have been," the scheme has obviously fallen apart at this point for one of the families you mention.
On July 24 2024 02:25 brian wrote:
so, obviously my detective skills lead one to infer the obvious. jill and hunter are power hungry grifters.
brutal. would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.
Yes, it's Washington, these are not angels or nice people.
Any supporter of Biden who just got hoodwinked should immediately be looking for someone to blame. That does not detract from your support for Harris. We can all vote for Harris until our faces turn blue, if they hadn't already.
She would not have won a primary, that's what you're afraid to answer, that's the question that everybody ignored. And that is a problem by itself. This is a scandalously despicable turn of events and very obviously anyone who had any knowledge of the truth we all suspected but couldn't confirm, and hid it, is guilty. She can even run the most beautiful campaign in history, prove she is better than Newsome or Warner or Tulsi or Romney or any other Democrat would have been in a million years, but she would not have gotten here if you, if we, hadn't been actively deceived and lied to.
|
There's also a perfectly benign reason: his family is too close and biased by that to see that he is no longer fit to run. So when he asks them the answer he gets is "if you feel up to it, you should do it! We'll support you in any way you need."
|
I don't think Jill had to coerce him, just exploit his hubris. We can't know why she did it, but she most definitely and intentionally hid Biden's condition from anyone she could. She wasn't alone though, plenty of Democrats knew years before the primary that Biden had deteriorated to an embarrassing condition outside highly controlled environments for limited stints.
That Biden's been propped up for years with lies by those closest to him for Democrat political expediency isn't a conspiracy theory, it's an observable fact.
|
Northern Ireland27267 Posts
On July 24 2024 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
There's also a perfectly benign reason: his family is too close and biased by that to see that he is no longer fit to run. So when he asks them the answer he gets is "if you feel up to it, you should do it! We'll support you in any way you need."
It’s almost like Occam’s Razor is a thing!
|
On July 24 2024 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
I don't think Jill had to coerce him, just exploit his hubris. We can't know why she did it, but she most definitely and intentionally hid Biden's condition from anyone she could. She wasn't alone though, plenty of Democrats knew years before the primary that Biden had deteriorated to an embarrassing condition outside highly controlled environments for limited stints.
That Biden's been propped up for years with lies by those closest to him for Democrat political expediency isn't a conspiracy theory, it's an observable fact.
I mean, actual politicians close to him, cabinet members, senators, etc. who haven't seen a decline are either utterly incompetent or craven fools. The brunt of the blame should fall squarely on them. Unfortunately that is probably the biggest blemish on Harris, and should normally just outright disqualify her. But these aren't normal times.
|
there’s a huge disconnect between protecting your husband covering for a person's suffering or failures, and suggesting she is maliciously propping him up for her own personal gain.
whether his staff had some additional responsibility beyond that to come out with their own experiences, I won’t argue for or against.
|
On July 24 2024 02:45 brian wrote:
there’s a huge disconnect between protecting your husband covering for a person's suffering or failures, and suggesting she is maliciously propping him up for her own personal gain.
Bingo.
|
On July 24 2024 02:45 brian wrote:
there’s a huge disconnect between protecting your husband covering for a person's suffering or failures, and suggesting she is maliciously propping him up for her own personal gain.
whether his staff had some additional responsibility beyond that to come out with their own experiences, I won’t argue for or against.
Let's look at this from another angle?
You're married to a senile ex-racist who has not exactly the toughest and most draining - you're quite catered to and protected - but most important and difficult jobs in the world, especially difficult to do well as we all know.
You have to constantly cover him when an aide or official tries to find him and asks you "Do you know where Joe is? I need him to be president for a minute," and it's after 4pm when he's napping, so you make up a lie to cover for him, handle the issue yourself, or direct the person to another appropriate bureaucrat.
He wants to go in front of the entire country to convince them to let him do this for 4 more years. At that point, does anyone go along with it "Sure honey," without other reasons? Subject themselves, in their own advanced years, to even more selfless covering of his failures and sufferings as you said? Maybe I'm cynical but I hope I'd say "Let's call it quits, you're a vegetable and I'm tired."
Can we at least agree those in his administration set on perpetuating their own power at the expense of re-electing a zombie (my God - remember when Austin was in the hospital, and nobody knew about it, and Biden was in this condition, and nobody would admit it - those are the two people with the nuclear codes - and they still have them) - can we agree those people have a culpability as Acrofales said? What's the jump over that one more step to also his spouse? She wasn't elected, but neither was almost anyone else appointed in an administration and staffing a White House. The future of that power is contingent on the election of someone else. It's all contingent on that one guy. All their careers.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
