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Its obviously total nonsense but republicans and conservative media are masters at muddying the water.
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Sadist
United States7291 Posts
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063 Its obviously total nonsense but republicans and conservative media are masters at muddying the water. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
On July 23 2024 05:43 Sadist wrote: I think its more than just filing deadlines. I think some republicans are trying to muddy the water or lay the groundwork for another stolen election claim: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063 Its obviously total nonsense but republicans and conservative media are masters at muddying the water. They aren't going to get another chance at a Jan 6 I can tell you that. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On July 23 2024 05:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Polling and prediction aren't the same as election results, period. It will forever stay as 1-0, and it'd be nice to trigger Trump by not letting him ever, ever, ever forget that. You lose every election you drop out of, as Michel Jordan would say. Somehow I think Trump (of all people) interprets this the way I do. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45047 Posts
On July 23 2024 05:52 Elroi wrote: You lose every election you drop out of, as Michel Jordan would say. Somehow I think Trump (of all people) interprets this the way I do. And I'm sure his echo chamber will continue to stroke his ego and tell Trump whatever helps him sleep at night. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21952 Posts
On July 23 2024 05:43 Sadist wrote: There is 0 legal basis. The Democrats can nominate whoever the F they want.I think its more than just filing deadlines. I think some republicans are trying to muddy the water or lay the groundwork for another stolen election claim: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063 Its obviously total nonsense but republicans and conservative media are masters at muddying the water. Ofc that won't stop them from trying. My only hope is that lawyers that get involved face disciplinary action and possible disbarment, same as those who pursued the election fraud cases. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
On July 23 2024 07:28 Gorsameth wrote: There is 0 legal basis. The Democrats can nominate whoever the F they want. Ofc that won't stop them from trying. My only hope is that lawyers that get involved face disciplinary action and possible disbarment, same as those who pursued the election fraud cases. This isn't about "legal basis" this is about the narrative in the court of public opinion. The Democrats are trying to win an election here, not a court case. The Republican narrative for the last 8 years has been about how the entire system is rigged. What's happening here in this election is just feeding into their narrative because it's reminding the American populace how little of a choice they actually have.You're right, LEGALLY, the Democrats CAN nominate whoever they want, but is it really the smartest thing to remind the American public about that fact? If we get to the point where both parties are fighting at the absolute edge of what is legal rather than what is actually democratic then you can sit back and watch as voter turnout craters. There is already an extreme level of voter apathy in this election due to how old both of the candidates were, (every poll showed it) when the narrative starts to gets spun around Harris that she is getting nominated without being chosen by the voters it will crater turnout again. She'll get a honeymoon period boost for a couple of weeks just because of how happy everyone is that Biden dropped out. I'd be willing to bet that it won't last. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23468 Posts
On July 22 2024 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote: Poll: Democrats Should... You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Fall in line behind Harris Poll: If there is a contest the nominee should be... You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ K. Harris Interesting results. Seems like Harris is getting the Biden treatment in that a majority/plurality would prefer a primary and a candidate other than Harris winning it, but party dynamics are preventing that from happening again. Can't imagine how that could end poorly... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45047 Posts
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Falling
Canada11369 Posts
The Republican narrative for the last 8 years has been about how the entire system is rigged. What's happening here in this election is just feeding into their narrative A person can feel a certain type of way, but that does not make that feeling a fact. What about this is rigged? As with most incumbent presidents, Biden thought he could do a second term. Because he did, there was no serious attempt made by any Democrat big players. So the primaries voted in the Biden-Harris delegates. Eyes wide open, anyone who voted for the Biden-Harris delegate knew there was a non-zero chance that Biden wouldn't make the full term and so when they voted Biden-Harris. The Harris part of the ticket had to be a serious consideration. Heck. Hasn't that been a Republican talking point from the last election? They thought Biden would keel over four years ago and this was a way of sneaking Harris into the presidency without an election. That, and it was Harris that would be running things for the next four years of Biden's presidency. Anyways, the Biden part of the Biden-Harris ticket has decided he actually didn't have it in him to take the next election and stepped down. So the Harris part of the ticket carries on (the VP is supposed to be a back up president anyways). Sure Biden's decision to step down was unprecedentedly late. But a 'rigged system' that does not make. It's interesting to me that it is the Republican politicians that are suddenly so very concerned that the Democrats are getting cheated when small donations went through the roof upon Biden stepping down and giving his blessing to Harris. I think Democrats are voting with their wallets and it's crocodile tears from the Republicans that really, really wanted to run against Biden. (And maybe truckloads of Let's Go, Brandon merch that is now useless?) "Step Down!" "...oh, crap. Don't actually step down... that's, that's illegal. Or rigged! ...Or something." | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23468 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
On July 23 2024 09:45 Falling wrote: A person can feel a certain type of way, but that does not make that feeling a fact. What about this is rigged? As with most incumbent presidents, Biden thought he could do a second term. Because he did, there was no serious attempt made by any Democrat big players. So the primaries voted in the Biden-Harris delegates. Eyes wide open, anyone who voted for the Biden-Harris delegate knew there was a non-zero chance that Biden wouldn't make the full term and so when they voted Biden-Harris. The Harris part of the ticket had to be a serious consideration. Heck. Hasn't that been a Republican talking point from the last election? They thought Biden would keel over four years ago and this was a way of sneaking Harris into the presidency without an election. That, and it was Harris that would be running things for the next four years of Biden's presidency. Anyways, the Biden part of the Biden-Harris ticket has decided he actually didn't have it in him to take the next election and stepped down. So the Harris part of the ticket carries on (the VP is supposed to be a back up president anyways). Sure Biden's decision to step down was unprecedentedly late. But a 'rigged system' that does not make. It's interesting to me that it is the Republican politicians that are suddenly so very concerned that the Democrats are getting cheated when small donations went through the roof upon Biden stepping down and giving his blessing to Harris. I think Democrats are voting with their wallets and it's crocodile tears from the Republicans that really, really wanted to run against Biden. (And maybe truckloads of Let's Go, Brandon merch that is now useless?) "Step Down!" "...oh, crap. Don't actually step down... that's, that's illegal. Or rigged! ...Or something." It isn't just Republican politicians that are feeling cheated. I am feeling cheated, although I'm not a Democrat I'm an independent voter I just happen to vote in Democratic Primaries because the State of California allows me to. We had a rushed primary in 2020 that Joe Biden allegedly "won" before my state even got a chance to cast votes, because it was right when the Pandemic hit and everything shut down. So Joe Biden became the nominee before my state's massive population got a say in who got the nomination. Joe Biden stays in the race until 3 months before the election when it was obvious to everyone even before this year that he shouldn't be running. He waits until the last minute so we get to skip another primary and Harris gets the nomination even though nobody ever cast a vote for her she was appointed by the guy who got the nomination in the rushed primary in 2020. So if Harris wins this election, she will undoubtedly get the nomination again automatically in 2028 because she will be running for a second term. That means the next time we'll actually get a real choice in who the Democrats nominate for President will be in 2032. That's 16 years of the people who aren't crazy Republicans having no say in who gets to be President in this country, because it's not like the Republicans are ever nominating anyone that I can ever vote for. If Biden had stayed in the race we would be having an open primary in 2028, so 4 years earlier. Now because of this move we have to wait another 4 years before we get a real choice. And this is without reopening the old wounds that most of us still feel about the 2016 Democratic primary. Try and deny it all you want, but there's a very real frustration that a lot of us feel about the way the Democrats are handling business over the last few elections. You're being naive if you don't think that will cost them at some point. It already did once in 2016. It's amazing they have the gumption to think it won't again. | ||
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Sadist
United States7291 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On July 23 2024 10:02 GreenHorizons wrote: While I agree the complaints from Republicans are crocodile tears, there's still some truth to the complaint about how Democrats circumvented having a primary (that Harris probably wouldn't win) by lying to everyone about Biden's condition and are still just pretending it's not an issue despite stuff like this as far back as 2021. https://twitter.com/brainsturbator/status/1815389900570579303 I think the "there's still some truth" angle to a lot of conspiracy theories is a big issue. Maybe not to dyed in the wool Dem voters but to the average undecided person it probably doesn't look great. I think the Dems have a way better chance w/ Kamala vs. Biden but it'd be a mistake to think it's a done deal. | ||
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Razyda
888 Posts
Biden is and how he should step down???). Now same guys arguing that it is perfectly legal to swap candidate. The reason it is hilarious is that you would have vote Democrats candidate if it was cart of compost, but as it happens you wont be deciding this election, your votes are counted beforehand. The people who will decide this election saw: Political opponent prosecuted, Attempt of assassination of aforementioned opponent and ignoring primary results. Honestly GLHF guys and to be even more honest GGNoRe | ||
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KwarK
United States43219 Posts
On July 23 2024 11:05 Razyda wrote: This thread is amusing tbh. The same people who complained when oBlade said that they are religious when it comes to Democratic party are the same people who were arguing that Trump is more declined than Biden in this very thread. Now they claim that "unburdened" Kamala is great and obvious candidate(after arguing how fantastic candidate Biden is and how he should step down???). Now same guys arguing that it is perfectly legal to swap candidate. The reason it is hilarious is that you would have vote Democrats candidate if it was cart of compost, but as it happens you wont be deciding this election, your votes are counted beforehand. The people who will decide this election saw: Political opponent prosecuted, Attempt of assassination of aforementioned opponent and ignoring primary results. Honestly GLHF guys and to be even more honest GGNoRe Bad post. | ||
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Razyda
888 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45047 Posts
On July 23 2024 11:05 Razyda wrote: This thread is amusing tbh. The same people who complained when oBlade said that they are religious when it comes to Democratic party are the same people who were arguing that Trump is more declined than Biden in this very thread. I think it's less about Trump being "more cognitively declined than Biden", and more about how Trump's cognitive decline has gotten disproportionately far less media attention, when it would be fair for it to be called out more frequently than it actually is. Also, Biden's old age was far and away the biggest issue that voters had with Biden, whereas Trump's old age doesn't even crack the top ten list of problems with Trump (fascist, rapist, criminal, fraud, insurrectionist, etc.) and yet all of those other should-be-disqualifying-at-any-age issues combined still didn't receive as much attention as Biden's cognitive decline did. The standards are completely different between what Democrats demand from their candidate and what Republicans will allow from their candidate. Now they claim that "unburdened" Kamala is great and obvious candidate(after arguing how fantastic candidate Biden is and how he should step down???). No one has written "unburdened" in the past five pages, besides you, so I don't know who you're quoting or talking about. When you say "great candidate", do you mean "would be a good president if elected" or "would easily beat Trump"? Because I think a bunch of people believe the former, including myself, but I'm pretty sure that everyone is on the same page that no Democrat - Biden or Harris or anyone else - will easily win in November. Now same guys arguing that it is perfectly legal to swap candidate. It is perfectly legal. The more interesting question is about the optics though. The reason it is hilarious is that you would have vote Democrats candidate if it was cart of compost, but as it happens you wont be deciding this election, your votes are counted beforehand. The people who will decide this election saw: Political opponent prosecuted, Attempt of assassination of aforementioned opponent and ignoring primary results. Honestly GLHF guys and to be even more honest GGNoRe Trump wasn't prosecuted by Biden. Trump's assassination attempt wasn't by Democrats. I'm not sure why I spent so much time responding to your bad-faith post. | ||
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Razyda
888 Posts
On July 23 2024 11:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think it's less about Trump being "more cognitively declined than Biden", and more about how Trump's cognitive decline has gotten disproportionately far less media attention, when it would be fair for it to be called out more frequently than it actually is. Also, Biden's old age was far and away the biggest issue that voters had with Biden, whereas Trump's old age doesn't even crack the top ten list of problems with Trump (fascist, rapist, criminal, fraud, insurrectionist, etc.) and yet all of those other should-be-disqualifying-at-any-age issues combined still didn't receive as much attention as Biden's cognitive decline did. The standards are completely different between what Democrats demand from their candidate and what Republicans will allow from their candidate. No one has written "unburdened" in the past five pages, besides you, so I don't know who you're quoting or talking about. When you say "great candidate", do you mean "would be a good president if elected" or "would easily beat Trump"? Because I think a bunch of people believe the former, including myself, but I'm pretty sure that everyone is on the same page that no Democrat - Biden or Harris or anyone else - will easily win in November. It is perfectly legal. The more interesting question is about the optics though. Trump wasn't prosecuted by Biden. Its not relevant Trump's assassination attempt wasn't by Democrats. It is not relevant I'm not sure why I spent so much time responding to your vapid post.Because you know I am right... Bolded - Seriusly what media? the same ones which were saying that Biden is doing great? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/25/media/republican-debate-conspiracy-biden/index.html Bolded italic - doesnt feel religious at all Italic - Kamala did... bolded2 - Seriously? seems to me like you would vote for Hitler if he was Dem nominee with chance of beating Trump... Italic 2 my entire point was that it doesnt matter whether it is legal?... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45047 Posts
On July 23 2024 12:05 Razyda wrote: Bolded - Seriusly what media? the same ones which were saying that Biden is doing great? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/25/media/republican-debate-conspiracy-biden/index.html Bolded italic - doesnt feel religious at all Italic - Kamala did... bolded2 - Seriously? seems to me like you would vote for Hitler if he was Dem nominee with chance of beating Trump... Italic 2 my entire point was that it doesnt matter whether it is legal?... That link doesn't say Biden was doing great. That link says that Republicans were setting the bar very low for Biden at some points, through mockery - which was especially true when Biden gave a solid SotU speech and Republicans had to backtrack and make up conspiracy theories about Biden. How does listing Trump's problems "feel religious"? People should care about those problems. Kamala Harris doesn't post on TL, as far as I'm aware. Harris1st probably isn't her  Vote for Hitler? You mean the guy running for president on the Republican side, according to his own runningmate? Feel free to add that to Trump's list of Things That Should Be Problematic To Voters Who Have Standards. (Also, you didn't even answer my question, which was simply trying to clarify statements that you made up and projected onto other people.) Also, when you write replies, don't write part of the reply inside my post that you're quoting, because then you're quoting yourself and it looks like I wrote the nonsense that you actually added in afterwards. It makes things more confusing, and your writing is already unclear. (And stop writing "It's not relevant" when you just lied about two statements in a row in an effort to make those lies relevant. Hiding them inside my post is just messed up. You lie, it gets called out, then you dismiss it by saying it's not relevant? Yikes.) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
On July 23 2024 11:05 Razyda wrote: This thread is amusing tbh. The same people who complained when oBlade said that they are religious when it comes to Democratic party are the same people who were arguing that Trump is more declined than Biden in this very thread. Now they claim that "unburdened" Kamala is great and obvious candidate(after arguing how fantastic candidate Biden is and how he should step down???). Now same guys arguing that it is perfectly legal to swap candidate. The reason it is hilarious is that you would have vote Democrats candidate if it was cart of compost, but as it happens you wont be deciding this election, your votes are counted beforehand. The people who will decide this election saw: Political opponent prosecuted, Attempt of assassination of aforementioned opponent and ignoring primary results. Honestly GLHF guys and to be even more honest GGNoRe Who are the people who are actually saying these things? | ||
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