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ZerOCoolSC2
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RenSC2
United States1089 Posts
On November 10 2023 05:33 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Machin to be retired by 2024. Thank fucking gods he's leaving. Fucking leech and waste of human resources. So which Republican are you supporting to replace him? You do know his seat will go to a Republican, right? Just like the other seat in West Virginia where the votes haven't even been close. I swear that the far left prefers destroying their own tepid allies for not being allied enough instead of the guys on the other side. That's why you hear about Manchin 1000x for every time you hear about Capito. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23930 Posts
Shame Democrats frittered away so much political capital on him just for it to end up in the trash. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9054 Posts
On November 10 2023 05:39 RenSC2 wrote: So which Republican are you supporting to replace him? You do know his seat will go to a Republican, right? Just like the other seat in West Virginia where the votes haven't even been close. I swear that the far left prefers destroying their own tepid allies for not being allied enough instead of the guys on the other side. That's why you hear about Manchin 1000x for every time you hear about Capito. I'm not far left. I'm left of what you think, but I'm not as leftist as you think. His holding of the party hostage in terms of getting much needed legislation passed is what I dislike about him mostly. Especially the obvious grifting from coal mining companies. Whether his seats goes to an R is not the issue. Ds just need to pick it up someplace else. E: some small typos | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On November 10 2023 08:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Just pick it up somewhere else is not how electoral maps work. I'm not far left. I'm left of what you think, but I'm not as leftist as you think. His holding of the party hostage in terms of getting much needed legislation passed is what I dislike about him mostly. Especially the obvious grifting from coal mining companies. Whether his seats goes to an R is not the issue. Ds just need to pick it up someplace else. E: some small typos Yes his holding the party hostage is bad, but its better then the Republicans being in charge instead. Atleast the Democrats don't have a problem with keeping the government running. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On November 10 2023 08:26 Gorsameth wrote: Just pick it up somewhere else is not how electoral maps work. Yes his holding the party hostage is bad, but its better then the Republicans being in charge instead. Atleast the Democrats don't have a problem with keeping the government running. If the Dems had been able to just win a seat somewhere else, Manchin wouldn't have been able to take the party hostage. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9054 Posts
On November 10 2023 08:26 Gorsameth wrote: Just pick it up somewhere else is not how electoral maps work. Yes his holding the party hostage is bad, but its better then the Republicans being in charge instead. Atleast the Democrats don't have a problem with keeping the government running. The point I'm making is this is the perfect time for them to get their shit and priorities straight and go get another seat if they can. If they gotta go scorched earth fuck it. Just start moving in the right direction is all I'm getting at. This is an opportunity. They need to seize it. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14111 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
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Sermokala
United States14111 Posts
On November 10 2023 11:48 JimmiC wrote: If he did and it worked out that he caused an actual democrat win would he become a hero to left? Honestly I don't know about us politics anymore. RFK Jr postures to take more from the right synema looks to be taking more from the right and honestly I could see Manchin taking a lot of trump voters with him in battleground states. I think we're seeing a lot of republicans that are unhappy with trumpism and loseing all the time even as we see a pretty heavy hit to the lefts enthusiasm as well to vote for biden. We might be reaching a point where both sides are tied to fielind the worst canidates that have ever been feilded between them, and the more vulnerable looking candidate might win by inviting more of the other side to vote for them. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23930 Posts
On November 10 2023 09:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: The point I'm making is this is the perfect time for them to get their shit and priorities straight and go get another seat if they can. If they gotta go scorched earth fuck it. Just start moving in the right direction is all I'm getting at. This is an opportunity. They need to seize it. I think part of the problem is that Democrats are constantly ostensibly trying to "min-max" every election cycle instead of ever attempting to build a generational movement. This was in large part because the generation of "Third-Way Democrats" that started coming into power in the 70's personally never wanted to let go. Biden is an example of that. + Show Spoiler + Besides joining the senate in the 70's... He could have spent his presidency laying the groundwork for a successor people genuinely like, but instead, despite impressions he left with people while campaigning, the preference of the majority of his party, the general election polls, the betting odds, and plenty more inauspicious signs, he insists on seeking reelection so potential Democrat voters will be demanded to shut up and fall in line while they can expect to be endlessly berated if they refuse. That's part of what has largely gone over most Democrats head with both the Tea Party and now Trump. Tea Party and now Trump voters (there's lots of overlap but Koch is no big Trump fan) largely reject the argument that they have to prioritize winning over voting their preference. So the party has been shifting significantly in their direction ahead of (hopefully never manifesting) majority public support (though again it doesn't look good for Democrats electorally). On the other hand, while Democrat voters have shifted away from Third-Way thinking and toward social democracy in many ways (particularly those under 45), they have largely accepted the argument that they must prioritize winning over voting for who they support. As such, the party as an institution has basically only shifted toward aspects of social democracy where/when majority public support precedes them (I trust they've snuck in marginally before in some instances, and are currently unreasonably late for plenty more). | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Aside from how we as individuals feel about Manchin and what he did to pull the party into his corner, many times obnoxiously, I don't understand what world you think we're in if Republicans aren't the ones going after their own for not falling in line. You can't point to one example of Democrats being frustrated by Manchin and conclude that they're worse than Republicans on the issue. Republicans spend most of their time imploding over people who decided to have their own thoughts. Not the same thing. Not even close to the same thing. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23930 Posts
I hope it ruined her night personally. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10393 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9843 Posts
Outrage continues to grow over a public comment made by a Florida state Republican lawmaker calling for all Palestinians to die. The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage. In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?” “All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply. Nixon acknowledged the interruption and said: “One of my colleagues just said, ‘All of them.’ Wow.” The Florida state house later voted 104-2 to reject Nixon’s resolution. Salzman’s office did not respond to a request for comment. You could well say she's gone off the deep end. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11824 Posts
Isn't external policy a federal thing in the US? And shouldn't the Florida state legislature be busy discussing Florida state stuff? | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On November 11 2023 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote: A Palestinian refugee confronts her Senator, Warren (D-MA), for refusing to call for a ceasefire https://twitter.com/JVPBoston/status/1722848277819760865 I hope it ruined her night personally. To me it almost sounds like those students prefer US to continue to be world police. Isn't that something you disagree with? | ||
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