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Sermokala
United States14010 Posts
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Hildegard
Germany306 Posts
This is stupid, no one reads my stuff and now my posts are gone. F off tl.net and again Trumps teeth are falling out... | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32742 Posts
Virginia's legislatures are up, with most looking to see if the state's Republicans compromising on abortion access can work in a politically moderate state. Ohio's voting on whether abortion and marijuana should be legal. Pennsylvania's picking a state supreme court judge. Mississippi's voting for governor in a surprisingly close race in a deep red state, according to polling. The earliest result right now is that Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, a Democrat, should have won re-election. [Source] The pro-abortion side should have won in Ohio to enshrine the right in the state's constitution. [Source] Virginia's Senate predicted to stay blue. [Source] Not a shocker. The real uncertainty is in the House, which Republicans hold narrowly. House expected to be lost by Republicans, with either a tie or Democrats taking control. [Source] Throws cold water at Youngkin and at Republicans hoping to gain back some voters with a proposed 15-week abortion law with some restrictions. Mississippi's Republican governor holds his seat. Pennsylvania's supreme court seat goes to the Democratic-aligned candidate. | ||
KwarK
United States43021 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35159 Posts
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Introvert
United States4844 Posts
edit: also the fact that Ronna McDaniel is still head of the RNC is lol edit2: Youngkin didn't win what he wanted in VA, but performance was similar to 2021 with worse maps for the GOP, it's still VA but they did ok (so far winning every seat that was Biden +9 or less). it helps to know what you are doing. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7357 Posts
If anyone’s interested in a weird mailer that one of the sheriff candidate weirdos put out it’s kind of a trip. http://www.honestyandethics.com/he/default.asp I hear he got more votes than you’d expect for distributing this fascinating specimen of a campaign ad | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On November 08 2023 15:09 Zambrah wrote: Turns out threatening to ban abortion was not a popular move in Virginia, lol. If anyone’s interested in a weird mailer that one of the sheriff candidate weirdos put out it’s kind of a trip. http://www.honestyandethics.com/he/default.asp I hear he got more votes than you’d expect for distributing this fascinating specimen of a campaign ad Man he’d get my vote just for those sweet, sweet 90s website aesthetics Policies are a little bizarre for well, a Sheriff, I mean we all appreciate a multitasker but he’ll be a bit stretched in his Sheriff/education reformer/radio personality combo | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
On November 07 2023 19:49 Hildegard wrote: Why would you change my post? I just f*ing asked if someone could confirm. This is stupid, no one reads my stuff and now my posts are gone. F off tl.net and again Trumps teeth are falling out... I don't know what your post said, but we have a literal fascist parroting Kremlin propaganda in another thread and his posts don't get edited/deleted, so you'd have to be setting the bar very low. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10203 Posts
Good on Ohio for passing abortion and marijuana legalization. Only issue for Ohio dems is now they don't have as much of a push/motivation for 2024 now that abortion is enshrined there. Not that federal level is hopeful for them anyways with Ohio moving more red, but down ballot may suffer. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 09 2023 02:22 FlaShFTW wrote: Overall pretty good results for Dems across the board (obvious one lacking was Miss. Gov but that one wasn't expected to win for them anyways. Good on Ohio for passing abortion and marijuana legalization. Only issue for Ohio dems is now they don't have as much of a push/motivation for 2024 now that abortion is enshrined there. Not that federal level is hopeful for them anyways with Ohio moving more red, but down ballot may suffer. Well Ohio Republicans are fuming and have already said they'll pass a new amendment to undo the new abortion amendment so the Ohio Democrats can use that to motivate voters. These idiots don't seem to know when to drop something that's obviously not working. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/08/ohio-republicans-make-plans-after-voters-approve-issue-1-issue-2/71498030007/ | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
On November 09 2023 02:55 StasisField wrote: Well Ohio Republicans are fuming and have already said they'll pass a new amendment to undo the new abortion amendment so the Ohio Democrats can use that to motivate voters. These idiots don't seem to know when to drop something that's obviously not working. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/08/ohio-republicans-make-plans-after-voters-approve-issue-1-issue-2/71498030007/ Vibes of this: + Show Spoiler + Abortion is clearly a winning issue for Democrats outside of the court system with voters. Same with Marijuana. Both will get the affected demographic out to vote (Generally Millennial and younger). | ||
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Sermokala
United States14010 Posts
De santis "trump should explain why Mexico didn't pay for the wall." Haley priorities 1. Destroy hamas 2 give isreal whatever they need 3 bring our hostages home. These people don't think things through. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44741 Posts
On November 09 2023 02:55 StasisField wrote: Well Ohio Republicans are fuming and have already said they'll pass a new amendment to undo the new abortion amendment so the Ohio Democrats can use that to motivate voters. These idiots don't seem to know when to drop something that's obviously not working. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/08/ohio-republicans-make-plans-after-voters-approve-issue-1-issue-2/71498030007/ So, wait... Republicans: We've gotten rid of the federal right to abortion, so now we can let the states decide! Ohio: Okay then... We vote to allow abortion. Republicans: No. Is that what's happening? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44741 Posts
On November 09 2023 10:47 Sermokala wrote: The republican debate is something to catch the highlights on tonight. Everyone's dropping insane grenades like vivek calling haley and desantis "dick cheney in 3 inch heels. Haley saying "first off they're 5 inch heels, I only wear shoes I can run in, and also they're ammunition." vivek "we've become a party of losers" De santis "trump should explain why Mexico didn't pay for the wall." Haley priorities 1. Destroy hamas 2 give isreal whatever they need 3 bring our hostages home. These people don't think things through. Apparently, Trump skipped the debate again, as expected. Debate starts at 1:01:45 in the video below: Edit/Update: My stream of consciousness during last night’s debate: Vivek Ramaswamy: - crazy pro-Rogan/pro-Musk opening statement about how Democrats cheat; - DeSantis and Haley are both "Dick Cheney in two-inch heels"; - still extremely anti-Ukraine, pro-Russia, pro-Putin, and pro-Trump; - tried calling out Haley for her pro-Ukraine stance, even after she demolished him on this topic last debate (the audience correctly sided with Haley again); - tried attacking Haley another time because Haley’s daughter is on TikTok, Vivek got booed hard here, especially since he brought this up as a way to dodge the fact that *he campaigns on TikTok*... and then Haley correctly called him “scum” for his transparently low blow; - "Joe Biden isn't the president of the United States"; - this debate actually wouldn’t have been terrible (for a Republican debate), if he wasn’t on stage Nikki Haley: - “let’s make sure we have transparency in the classroom, as a mom I know what that means” (as an actual educator and as someone who supports LGBTQ+ rights, *I* know what that means too); - most of her responses were pretty decent and generally answered the questions Tim Scott: - super pro-religious/pro-faith opening/responses (Pence vibes); - casually threatens universities and students that their existence in this country is a privilege, not a right; - “senator, would you raise the retirement age on social security?” “all you have to do is go to a farm in iowa” goddd he’s just so boringgg; - he thinks abortion is infanticide and that aborting on the day of birth is a thing (it's not) Ron DeSantis: - surprisingly incoherent at times (nerves?), like when he said “…and that’s true whether it’s Iran or whether it’s any country on the world”; - “my policy on China is ‘we win; they lose’”; - “Biden’s Green New Deal” lolwut; - “I’m going to build the border wall and have Mexico pay for it” LOLWUT!? Chris Christie: - nothing he said was terrible garbage, as far as I could tell; - answered questions decently well; - he even admitted that food stamps are a good thing and that drug addiction is a disease They did a decent job of condemning anti-Semitism, but when they generalized and said “all hate is wrong”, I couldn’t help but roll my eyes at their hypocrisy, given their positions that are anti-LGBTQ+, anti-woman, anti-Muslim, anti-Black, anti-refugee, etc. I didn’t keep up with the results of the recent state elections, but based on these candidates’ opening statements, apparently there was no Red Wave and I guess Democrats had some really great wins! As far as positives/rankings go: Christie had the most morally decent responses all across the board, in my opinion, followed closely by Haley. I think they did the best job of answering questions too. Scott and DeSantis came off as inconsistent to me, but not as psychotic as Ramaswamy. I think the audience preferred DeSantis and Haley over the others. Verdict: Trump is still the clear winner by not showing for the third straight time, and no one on the stage can compete with him. Their only chance is if Trump dies, decides to stop running, or is somehow banned from running, which technically has a non-zero chance of occurring. I’m sure these five other Republican candidates know this. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On November 09 2023 12:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Only their preferred outcome is acceptable. When democracy doesn't give them the result they want, it's either that democracy is the problem and we need less of it, or we keep redoing the vote until they get their way. In the latter case, once they get what they want, it's now time to stop holding new votes, the people have spoken, and liberals just have to accept the outcome of the election.So, wait... Republicans: We've gotten rid of the federal right to abortion, so now we can let the states decide! Ohio: Okay then... We vote to allow abortion. Republicans: No. Is that what's happening? Also, sometimes fraud is responsible for their loss. Accepting that they lost an election isn't on the table anymore. Actual responses start at "we didn't actually lose," move through "we lost, but we need to keep holding new votes until we win, because clearly the people didn't understand what they were voting for well enough," and eventually end up at "we lost, the voters do understand what they are voting for, and therefore can't be trusted to govern themselves via democratic elections." | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 09 2023 12:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: So, wait... Republicans: We've gotten rid of the federal right to abortion, so now we can let the states decide! Ohio: Okay then... We vote to allow abortion. Republicans: No. Is that what's happening? Yes. There was a referendun to enshrine abortion into the Ohio state constitution. Before that referendum even happened, Ohio Republicans slipped in another referendum to increase the threshold necessary to pass a referendum from 50% + 1 vote to 60% of the vote. This was held only months before the abortion referendum and was done deliberately to hurt the abortion referendum's chances. The voters voted against the threshold referendum and Ohio Republicans complained about the will of the people and promising a way to circumvent them. Then, voters voted for the abortion referendum and Ohio Republicans complained about the will of the people, promising to find a way to circumvent them. The GOP are fascists. They are actively trying to circumvent Democracy because they don't like the results. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21829 Posts
On November 09 2023 12:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That has always been the caseSo, wait... Republicans: We've gotten rid of the federal right to abortion, so now we can let the states decide! Ohio: Okay then... We vote to allow abortion. Republicans: No. Is that what's happening? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Eventually though, if Republicans keep punting the issue to lower and lower levels when they don't get their way, eventually everyone will just be free to individually decide whether abortion is legal for them. Checkmate, fascists. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10203 Posts
On November 10 2023 01:32 NewSunshine wrote: Funny, like returning the issue to the states is just an arbitrary argument for overturning a decision you don't like. Now that the state of Ohio has made a decision Republicans don't like they're gonna punt the issue to local counties. Then to cities. Eventually though, if Republicans keep punting the issue to lower and lower levels when they don't get their way, eventually everyone will just be free to individually decide whether abortion is legal for them. Checkmate, fascists. Republicans playing the long term anarchist game. | ||
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