EPTWhoever designed a system where there are 3 levers of power elected separately, I.e. the house senate and the presidency, and they all have to agree, and in the case of the senate, by a supermajority, in order for anything to happen at all, clearly didn't intend for much to happen.
US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4080
| Forum Index > General Forum |
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets. Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source. If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread | ||
|
gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
Whoever designed a system where there are 3 levers of power elected separately, I.e. the house senate and the presidency, and they all have to agree, and in the case of the senate, by a supermajority, in order for anything to happen at all, clearly didn't intend for much to happen. | ||
|
Acrofales
Spain18005 Posts
On October 07 2023 07:10 gobbledydook wrote: I'd almost say that the chaos in the House is just a sideshow, and Congress is not functioning, as intended by its design. Whoever designed a system where there are 3 levers of power elected separately, I.e. the house senate and the presidency, and they all have to agree, and in the case of the senate, by a supermajority, in order for anything to happen at all, clearly didn't intend for much to happen. I mean, they kinda just copied the British system but replaced the lords with senators and the king with a president? The British system had been working quite well for the Brits for a decently long time. Of course, there was the odd self adjustment in a civil war over who became the next king.aybe the British system doesn't work without a regular civil war to hit reset? | ||
|
gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On October 07 2023 07:25 Acrofales wrote: I mean, they kinda just copied the British system but replaced the lords with senators and the king with a president? The British system had been working quite well for the Brits for a decently long time. Of course, there was the odd self adjustment in a civil war over who became the next king.aybe the British system doesn't work without a regular civil war to hit reset? In the British system by the time American independence happened the monarchy had lost most of its power. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On October 07 2023 07:10 gobbledydook wrote: I'd almost say that the chaos in the House is just a sideshow, and Congress is not functioning, as intended by its design. Whoever designed a system where there are 3 levers of power elected separately, I.e. the house senate and the presidency, and they all have to agree, and in the case of the senate, by a supermajority, in order for anything to happen at all, clearly didn't intend for much to happen. Kinda, yeah. The states were meant to govern themselves. | ||
|
Gorsameth
Netherlands21705 Posts
On October 07 2023 07:25 Acrofales wrote: Except I believe the House of Lords has less power then the Senate, is unelected and I imagine largely immune to populism and the King/Queen effectively has no power and is not elected.I mean, they kinda just copied the British system but replaced the lords with senators and the king with a president? The British system had been working quite well for the Brits for a decently long time. Of course, there was the odd self adjustment in a civil war over who became the next king.aybe the British system doesn't work without a regular civil war to hit reset? So the British only elect the House of Commons. Not 3 like in the US. Once upon a time the US may have been based on the UK but the 2 have diverged a lot since then. | ||
|
maybenexttime
Poland5574 Posts
BBC live thread: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895 | ||
|
Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
| ||
|
maybenexttime
Poland5574 Posts
On October 07 2023 18:52 Broetchenholer wrote: Israel speaks of around 20 deaths so far. While obviously every single violent death is one too much and the terror created by the rockets and the infiltration attacks are terrible, this is the same bullshit as before. Hamas and netanjehu need each other, Israel will strike back, 1000 Palestinians will die, everybody will immediately find only one side to blame and in few years we repeat this. I am exhausted of this strip of land, sorry. Terrorists on both sides state level suxx. There's a ton of footage on Twitter. Videos showing Hamas militants gunning down people on the streets, entering houses and bomb shelters. In just one video I saw there were about a dozen unarmed civilians massacred, lying on the floor. The number given by Israel is the number of confirmed deaths. The actual number of deaths is probably in the hundreds now. While both sides are doing shitty things, the bottom line is that Israel has offered numerous peace solutions. The Palestinians have rejected all of them because they're against Israel existing as a state. | ||
|
Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
| ||
|
Excludos
Norway8088 Posts
And as maybenexttime said, Israel has sought peace for decades, including giving back any occupied territories. They just want to be left alone. Palestine refuses to meet at the table, because the only thing Palestine wants is to eradicate all Jews. At that point, there's only so much one can do. Despite daily rocket barrages, Israel has held back a lot up until now, but that is no longer going to be the case. Netanyahu just declared full war, and a full-scale invasion is going to take place after this. And unlike if they had done it before this event, the world isn't only not going to be against it, they'll be likely to help On a bit of a side note, there's a lot of intelligence agencies with egg on their faces today. This is an insane scale of event to completely miss. Military outposts were completely taken by surprise, with people barely getting out of their bunks before being overrun. And I'm not just talking about Mossad and Shin Bet. CIA should be properly worried that they didn't manage to catch this one | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
| ||
|
Excludos
Norway8088 Posts
On October 07 2023 21:31 Liquid`Drone wrote: Not defending this but I don't see how it is possible to say Israel seeks peace while continuing the settlement policy. It's easy to say that, because Israel has sought to negotiate for peace on numerous occasions, while Palestine has refused to even discuss it. If Palestine had problems with a specific thing Israel did, that isn't just "existing", then it could be sorted out, or at least discussed. That is how grown-up, non-extremist, non-terrorist states does things. It's very difficult to reasonably support any side in any conflict who refuses to discuss peace options and would only be happy with the total eradication of their opponent, especially when the other side just wants to be left alone. | ||
|
Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
| ||
|
GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On October 07 2023 22:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: The framing that they just want to be left alone while continuing to encroach on palestinerne territory is absolutely ridiculous. Can't help but be reminded of "If I don't steal it someone else will" guy... He just wants to be left alone ya know? | ||
|
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
| ||
|
maybenexttime
Poland5574 Posts
On October 07 2023 21:31 Liquid`Drone wrote: Not defending this but I don't see how it is possible to say Israel seeks peace while continuing the settlement policy. Israel is not a monolith. There are many factions within, with different values and goals. Zionist extremists are one of those factions. That doesn't change the fact that Israel did agree to six or seven reasonable peace plans. The Palestinians rejected all of them. The Arabs, on the other hand, have tried to wipe Israel off the map several times, unsuccessfully. By the way, should we have a separate thread for this? It's a US politics thread after all. | ||
|
Acrofales
Spain18005 Posts
On October 07 2023 21:48 Excludos wrote: It's easy to say that, because Israel has sought to negotiate for peace on numerous occasions, while Palestine has refused to even discuss it. If Palestine had problems with a specific thing Israel did, that isn't just "existing", then it could be sorted out, or at least discussed. That is how grown-up, non-extremist, non-terrorist states does things. It's very difficult to reasonably support any side in any conflict who refuses to discuss peace options and would only be happy with the total eradication of their opponent, especially when the other side just wants to be left alone. Their problem is that any option for a two-state solution that Israel is willing to discuss puts Jerusalem firmly in Israeli control. And any solution the Palestinians are willing to discuss puts Jerusalem into at least a shared context or fully under Palestine control. So two-state solutions always break over that. And I think the ship has sailed on any one-state solutions. So... yeah. E: there's about 50 Israel threads already. A few would probably qualify for promoting to megathread. But apparently the last time anybody made an Israel thread was 2013. Think it's just been discussed here or in the Euro thread since then. | ||
|
Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On October 07 2023 23:00 maybenexttime wrote: Israel is not a monolith. There are many factions within, with different values and goals. Zionist extremists are one of those factions. That doesn't change the fact that Israel did agree to six or seven reasonable peace plans. The Palestinians rejected all of them. The Arabs, on the other hand, have tried to wipe Israel off the map several times, unsuccessfully. By the way, should we have a separate thread for this? It's a US politics thread after all. My dude, you brought it up and even labeled it off topic. | ||
|
Sermokala
United States13956 Posts
This is the end of a Palestine state for another generation. If it was Israel's intent to provoke this or not this will only make things worse. | ||
|
maybenexttime
Poland5574 Posts
On October 08 2023 00:11 Gahlo wrote: My dude, you brought it up and even labeled it off topic. Yes, and I'm asking a mod if we should, perhaps, change the venue. :-) I was heading off to the gym when I read about the attack and I thought I'd share. Didn't have the time to make a proper thread. | ||
| ||
