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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
1) Insiders know something we don't and it is essentially guaranteed that Trump will be going to prison or unable to run prior to the end of the primary 2) They are doing all of this to recreate 2016 all over again to make sure Trump gets the nomination by splitting up the vote 3) They are all truly amazingly out of touch and don't realize how this will turn out. I think it is either 1 or 3. Pence jumping in right now makes me think (1) is more possible. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
There aren’t huge signs (read- any) that Trump style populism have departed the wider base, never mind the cult of personality he’s also got going for him. If you’re running you either know something we don’t, or you’re fighting a campaign that’s doomed from the outset. Although one that may confer other benefits. If there had been much evidence that there was an appetite for a more traditional, straight-laced constitutional conservative type among the base, I could maybe see it but there’s not a huge amount of evidence of it. A few candidates Trump pushed did badly in the mid terms but they were such egregiously bad candidates that I’m not sure that counts for much. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22435 Posts
On June 01 2023 13:40 JimmiC wrote: In general I agree with you if it was just Trump shouting dumb things, but a lynch mob stormed the Capitol building to hang him at the urging of Trump.Strangely enough I could see him a Trumps VP again. trump just rage tantrums at anyone who disagrees with him him but recovers quick and pence just wants the power, if had any morals he wouldnt have VP’d in the first place. Trump just raged on that press secretary who lied her face off for him because he said she said he had a 20 point lead over DeSantis and not a 40 point lead and called her milk toast. Next week if she compliments him he will gush over her. Same with pence. It is not like these people have some sort of code or they never would have been together in the first place because it makes no sense. I know it sounds bonkers but a trump pence ticket is totally possible. Surely that would be a bridge to far to reconcile or ignore. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46129 Posts
On June 01 2023 17:21 BlackJack wrote: Everyone might as well announce when the two front runners in the race are candidates people generally don’t even want to run And given his age, it's not like Pence needs to worry about his budding political career over the next 30 years. I think he's pretty much done and ready for retirement, after this upcoming loss. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28823 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On June 01 2023 09:26 Mohdoo wrote: 3 possibilities: 1) Insiders know something we don't and it is essentially guaranteed that Trump will be going to prison or unable to run prior to the end of the primary 2) They are doing all of this to recreate 2016 all over again to make sure Trump gets the nomination by splitting up the vote 3) They are all truly amazingly out of touch and don't realize how this will turn out. I think it is either 1 or 3. Pence jumping in right now makes me think (1) is more possible. I don't think 2) ever makes sense. The easiest way to have Trump nominated is to not run against him. 2) implies that there is a conspiracy and the candidates are in on it. I think that every candidate in this contest has a different goal. Some are in it to win it. For example DeSantis. Some are in it to become more well known. For example Tim Scott. Some are in it to sell biographies. Some are in it because they want to be in the running for vice president. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States44127 Posts
On June 02 2023 12:30 JimmiC wrote: There seems to be some pretty loose rules on what you can spend your donor money for. Like everything else it turned out we were on the honour system. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11903 Posts
On June 02 2023 00:38 JimmiC wrote: With DeSantis placing himself firmly right of Trump he may end up quite a bit more extreme. Cruz tweeted that Ugandas anti LGBTQ legislation was too far and so on. DeSantis pastor rebuked him bible verses. Pretty frightening exchange if this is DeSantis inner circle. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/holy-hell-desantis-pastor-buddy-083311183.html Religious fanatics are scary. That people think it is reasonable to base your laws on a multiple thousand year old story is very scary. That those same people then tend to complain about sharia law is absurd. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4767 Posts
On June 02 2023 14:16 KwarK wrote: Like everything else it turned out we were on the honour system. I browsed Mike Pence wiki page and it turned out that in 1990 he used campaign money for his mortgage, groceries, payment for his wife's car, golf course bills, etc. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mike-pence-used-campaign-funds-to-pay-his-mortgage--and-it-cost-him-an-election/2016/07/15/90858964-49ed-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html I think it's the rise of information society that simply exposed hypocrisy all around us. People were always abusing the system, we just hear about it more now. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On June 02 2023 00:38 JimmiC wrote: With DeSantis placing himself firmly right of Trump he may end up quite a bit more extreme. Cruz tweeted that Ugandas anti LGBTQ legislation was too far and so on. DeSantis pastor rebuked him bible verses. Pretty frightening exchange if this is DeSantis inner circle. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/holy-hell-desantis-pastor-buddy-083311183.html Why do you think that man is part of DeSantis' inner circle? It says in the article that the pastor delivered DeSantis' second invocation as governor, but other than that it only states that the pastor is a fan of DeSantis (not the other way around). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
On June 02 2023 19:07 Elroi wrote: Why do you think that man is part of DeSantis' inner circle? It says in the article that the pastor delivered DeSantis' second invocation as governor, but other than that it only states that the pastor is a fan of DeSantis (not the other way around). Yes, some association does not necessarily mean inner circle, fair enough. On the flip side DeSantis threw the guy a bone in doling out an honour, I’m pretty sure there’s other pastors in his state. Whether from conviction or experience he’s still courting that demographic. I don’t really care if he’s best buddies with the guy or a passing acquaintance particularly, what is of note is how quickly he noped out of that Twitter exchange, and his past record and rhetoric. It’s pretty patently clear he’ll legislate for things that will appeal to that cohort, and apply a hands-off approach when it comes to using his platform rhetorically to ever rebuke that cohort. I can give him the smallest, bare minimum of credit for his initial Tweet, but his withdrawal from that conversation smacks of ‘Well I don’t personally believe gays should be executed but if you guys do who am I to tell you otherwise?’ Tells me quite a lot, in ways makes him a more worrying candidate than Trump. One doesn’t ally with religious fundamentalists, you court their favour. You do what they want, without concessions, and they’re a cohort with profoundly anti-American ideals (yes, I hate that phrase too). There’s no quid pro quo where you help them out a bit, they reform a bit and moderate on the other side that you’d see with other groups. Those of us of a certain age can remember Barack Obama apparently being best friends with Marxists and Black Panthers and all sorts. That was beyond silly back then, so I would be being hypocritical in the extreme to anoint close ally status to everyone a Republican politician had a passing relationship with. | ||
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KwarK
United States44127 Posts
On June 02 2023 21:46 JimmiC wrote: It’s very odd to me how all this stuff is legal. I do not think there is another western democracy where you can become “legally” rich by being a politician and almost all are. It has bipartisan support, just like it did in the supreme courts. It is like people are so mad at the other team that they have not noticed that both teams are abusing the shit out of the system. Illegal is legal if it’s not enforced. | ||
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