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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On May 30 2023 03:15 Gorsameth wrote: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57444 the 200 estimate was less then the, at the time, current ROI because of accounting for diminished returns. makes sense | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23228 Posts
On May 30 2023 02:53 BlackJack wrote: + Show Spoiler + No worries. People misinterpreting other's posts are bound to happen and I could see how your misinterpretation was partially my fault. I clarified my point and you understood my clarification and the world keeps spinning. This type of exchange is not the problem. The type of exchanges that are the problem are ones that go like this: BJ: *says something* Serm: *interprets it wrong or very uncharitably* BJ: that's not what I meant Serm: Yes it is what you meant Drone: No that's clearly not what he was saying Serm: Yes it is, stop trying to gaslight me JimmiC: Oh here comes Drone to white knight for BJ Mikau: Look how Drone points out someone else's flaws but not BJ's GH: BJ's point was clear, you not understanding isn't BJ's fault Serm: Oh GH is white knighting for BJ too. You know he's not a leftist and therefore he is the enemy and you shouldn't say or do anything that supports him, right? Then you instantly have like 20 shitposts just because someone interpreted one post badly. Rinse and repeat. This is a fair if not overly gracious response/summary imo given the misinterpretation. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On May 29 2023 16:59 Mikau wrote: It's not complicated. You are very keen to point out perceived flaws in the posting of other members, while at the same time regularly defending the person who continuously and intentionally makes all manner of posting faux pas and logical fallacies. Either be consistent in your call outs or don't call out posters at all, because this is just pathetic. You guys are being weird about this. If I check the thread from where I last left, see a post by BJ with an error followed by 5 replies rubbing his nose in it, I obviously feel 0 need to be the 6th guy to point it out. If I see an error that no one else replied to I might bother to point it out. Asking Drone to either shut up or make redundant posts for scorekeeping is just not how forums work. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Ryzel
United States529 Posts
On May 30 2023 02:53 BlackJack wrote: + Show Spoiler + No worries. People misinterpreting other's posts are bound to happen and I could see how your misinterpretation was partially my fault. I clarified my point and you understood my clarification and the world keeps spinning. This type of exchange is not the problem. The type of exchanges that are the problem are ones that go like this: BJ: *says something* Serm: *interprets it wrong or very uncharitably* BJ: that's not what I meant Serm: Yes it is what you meant Drone: No that's clearly not what he was saying Serm: Yes it is, stop trying to gaslight me JimmiC: Oh here comes Drone to white knight for BJ Mikau: Look how Drone points out someone else's flaws but not BJ's GH: BJ's point was clear, you not understanding isn't BJ's fault Serm: Oh GH is white knighting for BJ too. You know he's not a leftist and therefore he is the enemy and you shouldn't say or do anything that supports him, right? Then you instantly have like 20 shitposts just because someone interpreted one post badly. Rinse and repeat. + Show Spoiler + For sure. It’s unfortunate that this thread has so much dickwaving in it, but given everyone’s personalities, histories with each other, and competitive spirit of arguments/debates in general, I understand why it’s the case. Regardless of whether or not I agree on your views, you’re a better man than I for sticking up for yourself so much here. I would have said “fine fuck it you win, let’s move on” ages ago  | ||
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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
On May 30 2023 02:23 JimmiC wrote: It sorta seems like he is being you, to you. Maybe some big lightbulb will show up above your head and you won't be such a shit poster? 4d chess by Serm for the win. Exactly. You'd hope he'd be able to see how mindnumbing it is for other people to see his style being used on him but theres only so much hope we can have for him. On May 30 2023 04:02 Dan HH wrote: You guys are being weird about this. If I check the thread from where I last left, see a post by BJ with an error followed by 5 replies rubbing his nose in it, I obviously feel 0 need to be the 6th guy to point it out. If I see an error that no one else replied to I might bother to point it out. Asking Drone to either shut up or make redundant posts for scorekeeping is just not how forums work. This isn't us being werid about anything or him making an error and then us hog piling on him. He constantly ignores the majority of other peoples post so he can constantly maneuver into gotchas that convince no one. Anyone who keeps up with the news can pick through exactly what hes trying to do. the only person that is saying people are moving to florida or texas because of the weather is because BJ is suggesting that. everyone else is pointing out the clear and obvious lies in "Ah geez people are dumb and go through life not caring about what happens and makes life changing decisions on half baked info that is easily disprovable". Instead of engaging with anything people are saying BJ is trying to make up positions he thinks are winning points and acts like thats the conversation. Then when he realizes hes not getting anywhere with his bad faith arguing he falls back constantly like hes the victim because other people don't agree with him and refuse to play his games. No one is asking Drone to make redundant posts trying to explain what BJ is saying to make BJ sound better. Its just clear that Drone can't see any issue with anything BJ is doing. On May 30 2023 02:53 BlackJack wrote: + Show Spoiler + No worries. People misinterpreting other's posts are bound to happen and I could see how your misinterpretation was partially my fault. I clarified my point and you understood my clarification and the world keeps spinning. This type of exchange is not the problem. The type of exchanges that are the problem are ones that go like this: BJ: *says something* Serm: *interprets it wrong or very uncharitably* BJ: that's not what I meant Serm: Yes it is what you meant Drone: No that's clearly not what he was saying Serm: Yes it is, stop trying to gaslight me JimmiC: Oh here comes Drone to white knight for BJ Mikau: Look how Drone points out someone else's flaws but not BJ's GH: BJ's point was clear, you not understanding isn't BJ's fault Serm: Oh GH is white knighting for BJ too. You know he's not a leftist and therefore he is the enemy and you shouldn't say or do anything that supports him, right? Then you instantly have like 20 shitposts just because someone interpreted one post badly. Rinse and repeat. To be clear I responded to a post. Drone asked me why I responded to a post I didn't make the way I did. I presented that I was responding to another post that he could see if he read the post he was replying to. Drone tries to gaslight that I was actualy responding to a different post than I did. there isn't a grand conspiracy or a game of thrones story here that you're a victim of. People hit quote on posts and respond to them. Stop trying to make yourself the main character of team liquid. On May 30 2023 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote: I responded to someone who literally said this obvious fact was not obvious to them. That you think this is capeing is a you problem. You responded to someone in a one liner that the guy who causes problems isn't the problem because they should have been able to understand the guy who is constantly changing what he is saying. You then making a one liner post just agreeing with him and adding nothing else. Just beacuse you don't think its caping doesn't make it not capeing. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44322 Posts
Sometimes, the meta-discussion is warranted; sometimes it isn't. Either way, though, we end up permanently off track. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On May 30 2023 07:47 Sermokala wrote: the only person that is saying people are moving to florida or texas because of the weather is because BJ is suggesting that. Surely you can't be tripling down on this... JimmiC was the one arguing people are moving to Florida because of the weather. I'm not inventing this argument for him. Here's a post of his: On May 27 2023 08:00 JimmiC wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm not sure if you didn't read my post or what? Because this did not answer it at all. I totally agree that people leaving SF are not doing it for weather. edit: its crazy if you think leaving NYC has nothign to do weather but beyond that NYC is growing its NY state that is shrinking. + Show Spoiler + The current metro area population of New York City in 2023 is 18,937,000, a 0.37% increase from 2022. The metro area population of New York City in 2022 was 18,867,000, a 0.23% increase from 2021. The metro area population of New York City in 2021 was 18,823,000, a 0.1% increase from 2020. Like you really believe people do not pick fla over montana because of weather? Like it is a pretty big deal. There is a whole industry based around Canadian snow birds. He quite literally called it "crazy" to think that people leaving NYC has nothing to do with weather. Which is why I posted an opinion poll that showed it was the last reason they gave for leaving NYC. So when you say I'm the only one suggesting people are leaving NYC for FL because of the weather and that's an argument I invented for other people, you're the one trying to gaslight me. Except I don't think you're really trying to gaslight me. I actually think you're trying your best. + Show Spoiler + Even your buddy JimmiC realizes how ridiculous this is, which is why he tried to throw you a bone by saying you weren't serious and you were only shitposting as a way to mimic my shitposting. The fact that you actually agreed thinking anyone would buy that got a chuckle out of me. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
On May 30 2023 08:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I feel like so many topics that are brought up have the potential for a great discussion, but then 10% of the way in, it gets rerouted to a meta-discussion on the people discussing it. I think we often have trouble keeping the focus on the substance of the actual topic. Sometimes, the meta-discussion is warranted; sometimes it isn't. Either way, though, we end up permanently off track. I kind of like seeing everyone be dicks to each other sometimes tbh, I just wish it didnt frequently go haywire here. We had a lovely other US Politics thread for that, I liked having the 70%~ discussion ratio here in exchange for the 100% petty stupid grievance in the other thread. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + for the record, but please don't respond to this here, I just checked the past three months of moderation reports. BJ has had three different posts reported, all three were considered not actionable/bad report, by three different moderators, and I had no part in any of those cases. It is fine to disagree with the moderation policy or execution of said policy but the notion that he avoids moderation because of my protection or whatever is actually kinda ridiculous. His previous warning was given by me, after I reversed the ruling of another mod. If you go further back in time there will be cases of me having rejected reports too, but it is mostly other moderators, and a very broad and diverse group who have no prior relationship with him. | ||
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Slydie
1917 Posts
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/31/politics/mike-pence-announcement-2024/index.html | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21676 Posts
There is a line between bravery and stupidity and I'm not sure on which side Pence is right now... | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25293 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
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