EPTSee there is a difference between misinterpreting someone which I also do on occasion and just blatantly saying you think you can extrapolate every position someone holds by looking at other positions they’ve held. I mean sure it’s true for yourself. You can take any single issue and everyone here knows you’re going to toe the Democrat party line on it but that doesn’t mean you can project that onto anyone else.
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
See there is a difference between misinterpreting someone which I also do on occasion and just blatantly saying you think you can extrapolate every position someone holds by looking at other positions they’ve held. I mean sure it’s true for yourself. You can take any single issue and everyone here knows you’re going to toe the Democrat party line on it but that doesn’t mean you can project that onto anyone else. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On May 29 2023 09:03 Liquid`Drone wrote: It's not complicated. Sermo claimed that BJ was stating the opposite of what he had just stated. I said this was wrong. I have no investment in the broader discussion and I wasn't 'defending' BJ. I added the smiley because I wanted Sermo to understand that my post bore no ill will or resentment. I also have no interest in another one of these discussions because it's stupid. It's not complicated. You are very keen to point out perceived flaws in the posting of other members, while at the same time regularly defending the person who continuously and intentionally makes all manner of posting faux pas and logical fallacies. Either be consistent in your call outs or don't call out posters at all, because this is just pathetic. On May 29 2023 08:54 BlackJack wrote: Someone wildly interpreted my post and he simply corrected them. Funny how even something so simple triggers you into launching some vague whine about me. If he was interested in correcting people there is a backlog of hundreds of posts by you that are much more blatant than that particular post by Serma. I'm not being vague at all, in fact I'm being rather clear in saying that it's bizarre that Drone is defending your continuous and blatant shitposting while calling out somebody who mistook your shitposting for an actual good faith argument. | ||
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JimmiC
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23759 Posts
I think BlackJack is probably correct here. If we’re being specific. Culture war BS is a powerful political lever, otherwise it wouldn’t be so increasingly omnipresent in our political discourse. In many realms, but I think for such a momentous decision as a relocation of yourself/your family that’s going to be primarily dictated by practicalities and economic concerns. Who is relocating is also rather important, although I haven’t seen much info on that. If it’s a full cross-section of society who find a certain locale more attractive, that says a lot more than say, the vast majority of movement being wealthy folks. I mean to take an extreme example I’m sure Monaco is a great place to move to if you’re earning bank, that doesn’t necessarily follow for everyone else. | ||
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Ryzel
United States519 Posts
On May 29 2023 06:12 BlackJack wrote: I didn’t say the average person was migrating from New York. I said the average person cares more about the economics of their life than about the culture wars issues. At least nitpick me on stuff I actually said. Thanks for the links but I don’t think you even need a source to make the point that 10 million people are not leaving NYC. + Show Spoiler + The point of my post was to address the general incredulity of “who the hell wants to be like Florida, those miserable fucks are just using their last days to persecute LGBT folk before they are swept away by hurricanes and rising seas.” I’m assuming this sentiment is coming entirely from recent legislation that has put Florida in the news and not because this mostly international forum is keenly aware of cost of living, taxes, home prices, etc in Florida vs other states. The point is for “average” folks the culture wars stuff is not a high priority compared to other things. I was being generous and assuming that post was in reference to the previous discussion about others moving to Florida, since that post taken in isolation is so obvious it’s nonsensical to even post it. That being said, I greatly appreciate the spoiler text that explains your point and why you made it. That was not obvious to me. I feel like if you just had that as your original post instead of the one-liner, that style of posting would get a lot less hate around here, but I understand why you have your back up in a hostile environment like this. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
On May 28 2023 14:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: Yes that post you just quoted is very clearly sarcastic, and the quote I quoted is part of a quote chain which is found in this very post you just now quoted. I'd recommend reading the full discussion you decide to take part of.  I did read it all I'm explaining to you about the post I made that bj replied to me with because you asked me about the post I made about him replying to me. I'm not going to be gaslit about what I posted. You made a mistake about what post I was replying to because you didn't read the post and just read my reply. Normal people would admit their mistake and move on or make a point not just carry water for bj again. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22673 Posts
On May 29 2023 22:43 Ryzel wrote: I was being generous and assuming that post was in reference to the previous discussion about others moving to Florida, since that post taken in isolation is so obvious it’s nonsensical to even post it. That being said, I greatly appreciate the spoiler text that explains your point and why you made it. That was not obvious to me. I feel like if you just had that as your original post instead of the one-liner, that style of posting would get a lot less hate around here, but I understand why you have your back up in a hostile environment like this. BJ made it clear that was the point multiple times pages ago, that you just realized it isn't on BJ. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
On May 30 2023 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote: BJ made it clear that was the point multiple times pages ago, that you just realized it isn't on BJ. We know the point he's trying to make but being a fanboy of Florida and trying to lie about col and other reasons to move to Florida being his take is the point that they're making. Capeing for the guy who wants to destroy leftism is a bad look for you gh. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17833 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/29/us-debt-ceiling-deal-explainer-biden-mccarthy Funding for the Internal Revenue Service Republicans targeted money that the federal tax agency was allotted last year to crack down on tax fraud. The bill bites into some Internal Revenue Service (IRS) funding, rescinding $1.4bn. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On May 30 2023 01:02 Sermokala wrote: I did read it all I'm explaining to you about the post I made that bj replied to me with because you asked me about the post I made about him replying to me. I'm not going to be gaslit about what I posted. You made a mistake about what post I was replying to because you didn't read the post and just read my reply. Normal people would admit their mistake and move on or make a point not just carry water for bj again. So despite posting for 3 pages that people are not leaving SF/NYC and moving to FL/TX because of the weather you still believe that I was saying they are moving because of the weather? And Drone point out that my sarcastic paragraph was indeed sarcasm is him attempting to gaslight you? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22673 Posts
On May 30 2023 01:12 Sermokala wrote: We know the point he's trying to make but being a fanboy of Florida and trying to lie about col and other reasons to move to Florida being his take is the point that they're making. Capeing for the guy who wants to destroy leftism is a bad look for you gh. I responded to someone who literally said this obvious fact was not obvious to them. That you think this is capeing is a you problem. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21340 Posts
On May 30 2023 01:37 Acrofales wrote: Correct. Hm, I was looking at the debt ceiling deal, and I just don't get Republicans' priorities. This is just blatantly making sure their big money donors can get away with more tax fraud, right? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/29/us-debt-ceiling-deal-explainer-biden-mccarthy The IRS is revenue positive. Every dollar spend on it returns, I believe, 5 to 9 dollars currently. A 2021 CBO calculation estimated that 80 billion extra over 10 years would generate 200 billion in extra revenue over the same period. Cutting funding to the IRS increases the deficit, not shrinks it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Ryzel
United States519 Posts
On May 30 2023 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote: BJ made it clear that was the point multiple times pages ago, that you just realized it isn't on BJ. So we’re crystal clear here, I’m referring to the post that I originally referred to a page and a half ago. There were I think 2 posts from BJ between that original post and mine critiquing it, and neither of them mentioned anything like what was in his spoiler text. You referring to statements made “pages ago” (without quoting them) as making his future post’s meaning obvious, does not actually make it obvious. There’s ample evidence of a lack of clarity in the past couple discussions, given that’s the only thing people have been arguing about for pages now. Regardless, you’re correct that it’s on me whether I’m able or not to understand BJ’s point, but it’s on BJ whether or not he cares about getting readers like myself to understand and sympathize with his viewpoints. I guess he can just be screaming at the world and trolling active thread members, but I’m assuming he cares more about the former than the latter. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On May 30 2023 02:27 Ryzel wrote: So we’re crystal clear here, I’m referring to the post that I originally referred to a page and a half ago. There were I think 2 posts from BJ between that original post and mine critiquing it, and neither of them mentioned anything like what was in his spoiler text. You referring to statements made “pages ago” (without quoting them) as making his future post’s meaning obvious, does not actually make it obvious. There’s ample evidence of a lack of clarity in the past couple discussions, given that’s the only thing people have been arguing about for pages now. + Show Spoiler + No worries. People misinterpreting other's posts are bound to happen and I could see how your misinterpretation was partially my fault. I clarified my point and you understood my clarification and the world keeps spinning. This type of exchange is not the problem. The type of exchanges that are the problem are ones that go like this: BJ: *says something* Serm: *interprets it wrong or very uncharitably* BJ: that's not what I meant Serm: Yes it is what you meant Drone: No that's clearly not what he was saying Serm: Yes it is, stop trying to gaslight me JimmiC: Oh here comes Drone to white knight for BJ Mikau: Look how Drone points out someone else's flaws but not BJ's GH: BJ's point was clear, you not understanding isn't BJ's fault Serm: Oh GH is white knighting for BJ too. You know he's not a leftist and therefore he is the enemy and you shouldn't say or do anything that supports him, right? Then you instantly have like 20 shitposts just because someone interpreted one post badly. Rinse and repeat. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On May 30 2023 01:50 Gorsameth wrote: Correct. The IRS is revenue positive. Every dollar spend on it returns, I believe, 5 to 9 dollars currently. A 2021 CBO calculation estimated that 80 billion extra over 10 years would generate 200 billion in extra revenue over the same period. Cutting funding to the IRS increases the deficit, not shrinks it. 200/80 = 2.5. Where does the 5-9x figure come from? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21340 Posts
On May 30 2023 03:08 BlackJack wrote: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57444200/80 = 2.5. Where does the 5-9x figure come from? the 200 estimate was less then the, at the time, current ROI because of accounting for diminished returns. | ||
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