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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets. Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source. If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On May 26 2023 02:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While that's true, do we happen to know which states have the most people leaving for Florida? Because if they're leaving solid blue states, that wouldn't be very helpful for Democrats (especially since Florida could be purple but arguably is becoming light red now, pulling a potential swing state away from Democrats). New York and California alone carry the lion’s share. This source I just googled actually shows net migration positive for every single state except for California, New York, and Illinois. https://tampabayedc.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2020-2021-Net-Migration-by-State.pdf We can sit and theorize all we want for the reasons this is happen but there’s also opinion polls of the residents of these people that explain exactly why they are leaving. Spoiler alert, it’s not the weather. I think I think I’ve posted an article about this a couple years ago here or on liquidpoker. I can try to find it if you want. If memory serves something like 50% are considering moving out of San Francisco with the main reasons being the usual suspects: housing, cost of living/taxes, homelessness, crime. I think the hemorrhaging will end soon. I don’t think voters and politicians are that dumb and there will be an adjustment. I think you are already seeing that after defund the police blew up in their face spectacularly. You can see the Philadelphia mayor primary where the winning candidate promised to hire more police and was the only candidate to support stop-and-frisk. Stop and frisk being off-criticized for disproportionately affecting and profiling black peoples. I think she won something like 33% of the total vote and over 50% of the black vote which is a pretty solid majority. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23762 Posts
On May 25 2023 21:27 BlackJack wrote: Don’t worry, I’ve been told this Twitter site won’t exist soon anyway due to Musk laying off 2/3 of the staff. The only reason it’s still online is for the same reason a Jet with no fuel can stay in the air for a little while. It should be offline any day now. It’s almost like if you sidestep positions most people actually hold and cherry pick the most hysterical out there one can present themselves as some reasonable centrist skeptic at all times It’s just breathtakingly disingenuous | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
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KeyConsideration99
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Even this shotgun approach doesn’t work that well, I’ve seen a whole load of WorldStar style shit or animal abuse content when I absolutely do not want to see either. Even 4chan is better at keeping NSFW stuff isolated within NSFW channels or tags. That’s just one of Twitter’s recent problems. Every tweet is now filled with Twitter Blue white noise posters, the For You feed is incapable of giving you content you actually want (whether due to the content you’re being fed being old as dirt, irrelevant, or plain offensive because there’s no moderation to filter out shit like violence), and there’s added general instability where the app just doesn’t work properly. Yeah it didn’t catastrophically explode but Musk actively killed the main selling points of Twitter trying to become forum superstar Richard Kyanka. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On May 26 2023 09:48 WombaT wrote: It’s almost like if you sidestep positions most people actually hold and cherry pick the most hysterical out there one can present themselves as some reasonable centrist skeptic at all times It’s just breathtakingly disingenuous Twitter going down actually was a mainstream belief after Twitter staff resigned en masse when Musk gave them an ultimatum. You can search google from mid to late November last year and find plenty of articles on it. #RIPTwitter was trending and everyone was tweeting about the other platforms you can find them on after Twitter goes dark. Obviously nobody beliefs that now but I’m presuming you picked up on a little tongue-in-cheek sarcasm where I’m merely poking fun at all the people that ended up being wrong on that one. Anyway I apologize. I forgot forum rules stipulate we can only mock the random fringe hot takes if they belong to the Qanon followers on 4chan or the horse paste eaters in the fly-over states, etc | ||
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Mohdoo
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KwarK
United States41958 Posts
But it’s not going to go offline overnight. The Roman colosseum managed to last two millennia without anyone actively working on it, Twitter can do a few years. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4691 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23762 Posts
On May 26 2023 13:39 KwarK wrote: I didn’t think it would literally go offline. Keeping the core functionality online is something that they ought not have been able to fuck up. It’s the moderation/legal compliance stuff that will get them over time, plus not being able to keep up with feature creep. I’m sure you all noticed how YouTube Facebook and Instagram all immediately released their own short format content streams after tik tok got big. At some point Twitter will have to add new features and that takes investment that has been gutted. But it’s not going to go offline overnight. The Roman colosseum managed to last two millennia without anyone actively working on it, Twitter can do a few years. MySpace and various other platforms still existed long, long after they had any particular cultural sway. Twitter has two main niches, as a news aggregator, especially in a big emerging event, and being the place you can hear the thoughts and interact with prominent public figures. Twitter had a flawed moderation regime re the former, it’s considerably worse as a bullshit free-for-all. Nothing that’s happened under Musk’s watch to enhance the latter, and the new verification system has pissed off many of the public figures that are a big draw in the first place. Also boosting content from paid users over other more meritorious content, doesn’t really enhance the browsing experience. They can’t roll out new features properly, hell to be vague something broke with services my company provided because they fired a bloke, revoked all his access and it turns out all the authentication tokens went with him. It’s not a well-run company and without the mediating influences I believe are present in his other enterprises, the Emperor is being very much shown to have no clothes here. #RIPTwitter, perhaps some did genuinely think it was going to disappear completely, by far the most common sentiment I’ve found was more ‘I think Twitter is going in a bad direction and I’ll seriously consider not using the platform anymore’ | ||
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JimmiC
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Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
Being tounge in cheek about something bearly existing vs dieing outright is not a funny joke though its just sad. No one wants something to be kept on life support like this. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 27 2023 00:24 Sermokala wrote: The absolute tire fire of de santis's campaign announcement is everything people were saying about Twitter going down the drain after musk took over. A simple audio only event for less than a million people being absolutly impossible to run is embarrassing for everyone involved. Not even the servers blowing up, but the hot micing the feedback and the echoing is not something a legitimate tech company should be struggling with in the year of our lord 2023. Being tounge in cheek about something bearly existing vs dieing outright is not a funny joke though its just sad. No one wants something to be kept on life support like this. The problem our far-right fascists are going to run into now, more than at any other point in history, is they Need people who understand science and technology to effectively manage their campaigns, and most people who understand those things have to be able to deal with reality for what it is, instead of reality as a timey-wimey whatever-you-feel-like-that-day kinda deal. In other words, most people who learned enough about how technology works probably told the guy who loves business but hates the biggest company in Florida, and also wants to control and dictate education, to fuck off. So he's left with yes-men who think it'll be a piece of cake to manage stage tech (LOL), but don't know shit about it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35090 Posts
On May 26 2023 13:39 KwarK wrote: I didn’t think it would literally go offline. Keeping the core functionality online is something that they ought not have been able to fuck up. It’s the moderation/legal compliance stuff that will get them over time, plus not being able to keep up with feature creep. I’m sure you all noticed how YouTube Facebook and Instagram all immediately released their own short format content streams after tik tok got big. At some point Twitter will have to add new features and that takes investment that has been gutted. But it’s not going to go offline overnight. The Roman colosseum managed to last two millennia without anyone actively working on it, Twitter can do a few years. Twitter owns Vine. Seems like an easy refurb job that a lot of people would love to see come back. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On May 27 2023 00:57 JimmiC wrote: I'm confused by your second paragraph. Are you saying that because people leaving San Francisco are not saying they are leaving because of the weather, that everyone moving to Florida are not considering the weather? SF not having amazing weather for Cali might be a thing but I'm sure it a lot better than much of the US. Very strange thing to extrapolate over the whole country, it does not even seem to be about people moving specifically from SF to Florida. When I google any article about moving to Florida it has taxes or weather on top with the other behind. I can also find articles that say Its not just the taxes and weather. Your 3rd paragraph is also not helpful. It would be great if you followed the forums rules on sourcing but since you do not can you at least provide the relevant information if you are trying to use an example to prove a point. The candidates name would be nice, were they strictly running on the points you brought up or are those cherry picked? What were the other candidates running on? Why is 33% of the total vote a solid majority? With the source I could look it up and be like wow BJ has a great point here, or wow he sure cherry picked the numbers he wanted. Without the source I think everyone you are trying to convince is just going to think the later and move on. First of all, Florida’s climate is shit, in my opinion. Im in Florida right now. Have you ever been somewhere with 80+% humidity and 80+ degrees F around the clock? Maybe some people like being hot and sticky and eaten by mosquitoes but not me. Anyway, I’m telling you that we have polls of people from San Francisco, which has the highest rate of exodus of any major city and there reasoning has little to do with weather and everything to do with shitty politicians and policies slowly turning it into a shithole. https://sfstandard.com/politics/san-francisco-standard-voter-poll-june-2022/ If planning to leave SF, why? Too many homeless living on the streets 70% Cost of living too high 68% Rising crime 67% Local government is not addressing the city's problems 57% Don't agree with the progressive political culture 35% Post-pandemic SF is not as livable as it was before 34% Personal/family reasons 18% Better job opportunities elsewhere 6% The weather 5% Poor job opportunities here 5% Other (specified) 18% Also yes I am fairly confident in extrapolating this to NYC as well which also has rates of rising crime, homelessness, and cost of living that is correlated with the increase in migration out of the city. | ||
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JimmiC
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Razyda
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On May 27 2023 07:09 BlackJack wrote: First of all, Florida’s climate is shit, in my opinion. Im in Florida right now. Have you ever been somewhere with 80+% humidity and 80+ degrees F around the clock? Maybe some people like being hot and sticky and eaten by mosquitoes but not me. Anyway, I’m telling you that we have polls of people from San Francisco, which has the highest rate of exodus of any major city and there reasoning has little to do with weather and everything to do with shitty politicians and policies slowly turning it into a shithole. https://sfstandard.com/politics/san-francisco-standard-voter-poll-june-2022/ If planning to leave SF, why? Too many homeless living on the streets 70% Cost of living too high 68% Rising crime 67% Local government is not addressing the city's problems 57% Don't agree with the progressive political culture 35% Post-pandemic SF is not as livable as it was before 34% Personal/family reasons 18% Better job opportunities elsewhere 6% The weather 5% Poor job opportunities here 5% Other (specified) 18% Also yes I am fairly confident in extrapolating this to NYC as well which also has rates of rising crime, homelessness, and cost of living that is correlated with the increase in migration out of the city. They also will prolly vote Democrats because it is right thing to do  On the other hand I must say that reading last few pages of this thread one can feel a fear, with a little bit of desperation. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
On May 27 2023 08:31 Razyda wrote: They also will prolly vote Democrats because it is right thing to do On the other hand I must say that reading last few pages of this thread one can feel a fear, with a little bit of desperation. What are you referring to, and why do you think that people are fearful/desperate? | ||
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