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On April 19 2023 10:13 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 04:54 Sadist wrote:On April 19 2023 04:40 KwarK wrote:
Nah, if we give in to the outrage engine this time then it’ll turn itself off because it’s a reasonable engine with reasonable concerns and not a juggernaut fueled by a cycle of constant moral panic that sustains itself by creating new problems. I mean at some point by fighting them on every little thing it lets them set the agenda. Republican policies are not popular. Fight them on their bullshit policies 24/7 (they want you to pay more for healthcare, insurance companies are the real death panels, forced birth on women, especially rape victims and children, they dont care about pollution or climate change and want your children and grand children to inherit a dystopian hellscape). Its easy to sell the public the above. Getting into the weeds on drag story time and trans issues helps no one. A generic "we support the rights of individuals" and passing laws to protect them quietly is the way to go. Hammer them on the other stuff. Democrats need to do better at setting the agenda. This is it, Republicans dictate the narrative constantly, it puts Democrats on the backfoot and even hurts them should they sufficiently acknowledge the jackassery. Democrats need to stop letting Republicans decide what the national narrative is by responding to what amounts to diarrhea. Ignore their stupidity, whatever dipshit nonsense theyre doing, ignore it and focus on promoting a positive agenda that can materially impact people for the better. Ignoring it doesn't stop it from being in the public because Conservative media will keep blasting it at people 24/7 and by ignoring it you just make it more likely that people with side with the Republican view because they aren't being exposed to a counter viewpoint.
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On April 19 2023 17:26 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 10:13 Zambrah wrote:On April 19 2023 04:54 Sadist wrote:On April 19 2023 04:40 KwarK wrote:
Nah, if we give in to the outrage engine this time then it’ll turn itself off because it’s a reasonable engine with reasonable concerns and not a juggernaut fueled by a cycle of constant moral panic that sustains itself by creating new problems. I mean at some point by fighting them on every little thing it lets them set the agenda. Republican policies are not popular. Fight them on their bullshit policies 24/7 (they want you to pay more for healthcare, insurance companies are the real death panels, forced birth on women, especially rape victims and children, they dont care about pollution or climate change and want your children and grand children to inherit a dystopian hellscape). Its easy to sell the public the above. Getting into the weeds on drag story time and trans issues helps no one. A generic "we support the rights of individuals" and passing laws to protect them quietly is the way to go. Hammer them on the other stuff. Democrats need to do better at setting the agenda. This is it, Republicans dictate the narrative constantly, it puts Democrats on the backfoot and even hurts them should they sufficiently acknowledge the jackassery. Democrats need to stop letting Republicans decide what the national narrative is by responding to what amounts to diarrhea. Ignore their stupidity, whatever dipshit nonsense theyre doing, ignore it and focus on promoting a positive agenda that can materially impact people for the better. Ignoring it doesn't stop it from being in the public because Conservative media will keep blasting it at people 24/7 and by ignoring it you just make it more likely that people with side with the Republican view because they aren't being exposed to a counter viewpoint.
Im not saying ignore it. Just make a quick statement, stick to the script, pass laws to help people, and stick to wide arching issues and hammer republicans on their unpopular policies that effect everyone.
Republicans love niche and wedge issues. They have no other way to drum up votes. Dont go into the weeds on details on these niche issues.
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Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots.
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On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots.
parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it?
if they dont like it, they can move out right?
it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose.
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On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose.
Yeah, that is the weird thing about this. Conservatives are generally in favor of parents being able to control what their children do, and government not getting involved in that. As long as they are the parents.
Except, of course, it isn't weird. It is very obvious, as that is exactly how american conservatism has been working for at least a decade now. 0 principles, 0 actual beliefs. Only culture war bullshit and fake outrage to "pwn the libs".
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On April 19 2023 09:04 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 07:21 Sermokala wrote:
I look at drag queen story hour the same as I would if it was furry story hour. Both communities get told that its just a sexual fetish but if you talk to any of them and actually experience part of the culture you know its not true.
Drag Queens are just getting hit rn by the conservative outrage engine because they need some culture war target and can just connect them with lgbt people easily.
The whole intent is to get democrats to start agreeing to more and more anti free speech carveouts against lgbt people. They want to shut down drag bars which just happen to be gay bars. In Florida they want it to be acceptable to kill people for doing drag queen story hour. I have 2 issues with this. 1: This logic does not allow for something that really is stupid and should just be abandoned. It assumes that all things Cletus is against, we must support if it has anything to do with LGBTQ stuff. 2: Pretending the sexual component of drag is something people should all agree is 0, and anyone saying otherwise should just be ignored, means ignoring a LOT of people. A senselessly large amount. TBH, I would have expected the Klobuchar/Midwest advocate to have the same feeling. What % of blue collar midwest democrats do you think agree drag is 0% sexual and that there's nothing weird about having drag queens hanging out with kids?
The Midwest has always had a different brand of socialism than the coasties. Minnesota is again the only state in the nation without a democratic party, just an affiliated one. Make no mistake the midwest is as racist as the south, its just that we enjoy pretending that we're not.
I think both of your issues are just half-cynical framings of whats going on and doesn't have any relevancy on the actual subject. The kind of polling that says "are you okay with this thing or that thing" is completely different polling when you say "should we lock up the gays again and shut down gay bars". What people see from drag queen story hour are far right militia groups violently trying to shut them down, political violence doesn't play well in middle America. The other thing we see are red states that are banning the practice with the same intent to legislate against lgbt people.
There is no democratic or official support for drag queen story hour other than protecting the constitutional rights to free speech. Any position you take against groups like that would be poisonous for any left leaning candidate. The left leaning candidates must present themselves as morally superior to the cletus types. Having something to point you saying that you are the more tolerant, the more freedom loving, the more parent choice candidate is an easy sell to the types of people who already want to see themselves as superior to the cletus types that scream and yell about what kind of beer they drink.
You have to understand the idea of appearing to be progressive is more important to the blue collar midwest types than actually being progressive. What the right is screaming about, at the end of the day, is someone dressing up and reading childrens stories to children. Thats a safer prospect than having a priest read stories to them in a church if you're really worried about them being molested.
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On April 20 2023 05:51 Sermokala wrote:
What the right is screaming about, at the end of the day, is someone dressing up and reading childrens stories to children. Thats a safer prospect than having a priest read stories to them in a church if you're really worried about them being molested.
Posting to say that I appreciated this comparison and that it made me smile.
You’re correct that there is a group of men that put on dresses, read fictional stories to children, and keep trying to molest them. It does happen. A lot.
A movement to ban that might not go the way conservatives think it would.
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On April 20 2023 06:21 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2023 05:51 Sermokala wrote:
What the right is screaming about, at the end of the day, is someone dressing up and reading childrens stories to children. Thats a safer prospect than having a priest read stories to them in a church if you're really worried about them being molested. Posting to say that I appreciated this comparison and that it made me smile. You’re correct that there is a group of men that put on dresses, read fictional stories to children, and keep trying to molest them. It does happen. A lot. A movement to ban that might not go the way conservatives think it would.
There are few original ideas in the Conservative playbook, as it turns out. It makes perfect sense that going after drag queens reading stories to children "because they'll molest your children" is where they landed with their outrage generator. Whatever they do and condone among their own, that's the perfect thing to hurl at the lefties.
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On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose.
Yeah, isn’t that basically what I said in my first paragraph?
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On April 19 2023 17:26 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 10:13 Zambrah wrote:On April 19 2023 04:54 Sadist wrote:On April 19 2023 04:40 KwarK wrote:
Nah, if we give in to the outrage engine this time then it’ll turn itself off because it’s a reasonable engine with reasonable concerns and not a juggernaut fueled by a cycle of constant moral panic that sustains itself by creating new problems. I mean at some point by fighting them on every little thing it lets them set the agenda. Republican policies are not popular. Fight them on their bullshit policies 24/7 (they want you to pay more for healthcare, insurance companies are the real death panels, forced birth on women, especially rape victims and children, they dont care about pollution or climate change and want your children and grand children to inherit a dystopian hellscape). Its easy to sell the public the above. Getting into the weeds on drag story time and trans issues helps no one. A generic "we support the rights of individuals" and passing laws to protect them quietly is the way to go. Hammer them on the other stuff. Democrats need to do better at setting the agenda. This is it, Republicans dictate the narrative constantly, it puts Democrats on the backfoot and even hurts them should they sufficiently acknowledge the jackassery. Democrats need to stop letting Republicans decide what the national narrative is by responding to what amounts to diarrhea. Ignore their stupidity, whatever dipshit nonsense theyre doing, ignore it and focus on promoting a positive agenda that can materially impact people for the better. Ignoring it doesn't stop it from being in the public because Conservative media will keep blasting it at people 24/7 and by ignoring it you just make it more likely that people with side with the Republican view because they aren't being exposed to a counter viewpoint.
If you dont ignore their most asinine takes then all youre doing is giving it additional air space.
This is just like the rest of stupid Nazi/fascistic bullshit, you are not going to defeat it in the public sphere because thats not their aim, youre just going to expose it to a bunch of jackasses who might be into it which is their aim.
Ignore them. Be vocal about something good and worthwhile. That is the solution.
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On April 20 2023 05:51 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2023 09:04 Mohdoo wrote:On April 19 2023 07:21 Sermokala wrote:
I look at drag queen story hour the same as I would if it was furry story hour. Both communities get told that its just a sexual fetish but if you talk to any of them and actually experience part of the culture you know its not true.
Drag Queens are just getting hit rn by the conservative outrage engine because they need some culture war target and can just connect them with lgbt people easily.
The whole intent is to get democrats to start agreeing to more and more anti free speech carveouts against lgbt people. They want to shut down drag bars which just happen to be gay bars. In Florida they want it to be acceptable to kill people for doing drag queen story hour. I have 2 issues with this. 1: This logic does not allow for something that really is stupid and should just be abandoned. It assumes that all things Cletus is against, we must support if it has anything to do with LGBTQ stuff. 2: Pretending the sexual component of drag is something people should all agree is 0, and anyone saying otherwise should just be ignored, means ignoring a LOT of people. A senselessly large amount. TBH, I would have expected the Klobuchar/Midwest advocate to have the same feeling. What % of blue collar midwest democrats do you think agree drag is 0% sexual and that there's nothing weird about having drag queens hanging out with kids? The Midwest has always had a different brand of socialism than the coasties. Minnesota is again the only state in the nation without a democratic party, just an affiliated one. Make no mistake the midwest is as racist as the south, its just that we enjoy pretending that we're not. I think both of your issues are just half-cynical framings of whats going on and doesn't have any relevancy on the actual subject. The kind of polling that says "are you okay with this thing or that thing" is completely different polling when you say "should we lock up the gays again and shut down gay bars". What people see from drag queen story hour are far right militia groups violently trying to shut them down, political violence doesn't play well in middle America. The other thing we see are red states that are banning the practice with the same intent to legislate against lgbt people. There is no democratic or official support for drag queen story hour other than protecting the constitutional rights to free speech. Any position you take against groups like that would be poisonous for any left leaning candidate. The left leaning candidates must present themselves as morally superior to the cletus types. Having something to point you saying that you are the more tolerant, the more freedom loving, the more parent choice candidate is an easy sell to the types of people who already want to see themselves as superior to the cletus types that scream and yell about what kind of beer they drink. You have to understand the idea of appearing to be progressive is more important to the blue collar midwest types than actually being progressive. What the right is screaming about, at the end of the day, is someone dressing up and reading childrens stories to children. Thats a safer prospect than having a priest read stories to them in a church if you're really worried about them being molested.
It sounds like you are coming to the same conclusion as I and a few others here have described: Ignore the whole thing. Don't let republicans make this some kinda national issue. We don't need to be shouting from the rooftops how much we disagree with every little republican thing, since it lets them control the narrative.
And just to be clear, everything I am saying is not about what is true, but rather what the appearance is and how the bell curve of folks in the US will view it. Just to be clear, you are saying you agree that most midwest folks have the same view of drag shows as I described, right? That it is at least somewhat sexual?
Again, just to be clear, I do not believe all drag is inherently sexual. But I will again point out that anyone trying to pretend drag in 99.999% of culture/media in the US indicates it is "men dressing up as women in sexy dresses". That is why jumping into the ring is just dumb. Gain nothing from defending it. Lose something by defending it. Just ignore it.
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On April 20 2023 07:59 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose. Yeah, isn’t that basically what I said in my first paragraph?
yes, but also no.
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission.
its absolutely fine if a person offering a reading to children gets remunerated.
as far as i am aware there's no evidence of mental scarring through seeing a man dressed up as a woman and neither the other way around.
hell yeah are you going to pay them and if its in a library chances are its tax money.
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On April 21 2023 07:47 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2023 07:59 BlackJack wrote:On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose. Yeah, isn’t that basically what I said in my first paragraph? yes, but also no. Show nested quote +
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission.
its absolutely fine if a person offering a reading to children gets remunerated. as far as i am aware there's no evidence of mental scarring through seeing a man dressed up as a woman and neither the other way around. hell yeah are you going to pay them and if its in a library chances are its tax money.
Then it’s not a non-issue. Everyone can have input on how public funds are being spent. I don’t think that’s controversial.
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On April 21 2023 07:51 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2023 07:47 Artisreal wrote:On April 20 2023 07:59 BlackJack wrote:On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose. Yeah, isn’t that basically what I said in my first paragraph? yes, but also no.
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission.
its absolutely fine if a person offering a reading to children gets remunerated. as far as i am aware there's no evidence of mental scarring through seeing a man dressed up as a woman and neither the other way around. hell yeah are you going to pay them and if its in a library chances are its tax money. Then it’s not a non-issue. Everyone can have input on how public funds are being spent. I don’t think that’s controversial.
It’s not reasonable to expect to agree with every dollar of taxpayer money spent.
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On April 21 2023 08:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2023 07:51 BlackJack wrote:On April 21 2023 07:47 Artisreal wrote:On April 20 2023 07:59 BlackJack wrote:On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose. Yeah, isn’t that basically what I said in my first paragraph? yes, but also no.
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission.
its absolutely fine if a person offering a reading to children gets remunerated. as far as i am aware there's no evidence of mental scarring through seeing a man dressed up as a woman and neither the other way around. hell yeah are you going to pay them and if its in a library chances are its tax money. Then it’s not a non-issue. Everyone can have input on how public funds are being spent. I don’t think that’s controversial. It’s not reasonable to expect to agree with every dollar of taxpayer money spent.
Right, it’s reasonable to expect disagreement on how tax dollars are spent
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In an entirely predictable abandonment of prior principles, the anti-abortion movement has completed its journey from "Roe v. Wade is bad because it should have been left up to the states," through "Dobbs is good because it puts the decision back in the hands of the states," and has finally arrived at "Not supporting a federal abortion ban is morally indefensible."
“President Trump’s assertion that the Supreme Court returned the issue of abortion solely to the states is a completely inaccurate reading of the Dobbs decision and is a morally indefensible position for a self-proclaimed pro-life presidential candidate to hold. Life is a matter of human rights, not states’ rights. Saying that the issue should only be decided at the states is an endorsement of abortion up until the moment of birth, even brutal late-term abortions in states like California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey. The only way to save these children is through federal protections, such as a 15-week federal minimum standard when the unborn child can feel excruciating pain.
“We will oppose any presidential candidate who refuses to embrace at a minimum a 15-week national standard to stop painful late-term abortions while allowing states to enact further protections. Susan B Anthony list
Anyone else expecting that it won't stop here and will rapidly reach only a 6-week ban or total ban is a morally acceptable position?
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Yeah, that tracks. Whatever Republicans want now, they'll retcon history and say that's what they've wanted all along. Calvinball is all fun and games until they've destroyed human and healthcare rights nationwide.
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On April 21 2023 11:15 Kyadytim wrote:In an entirely predictable abandonment of prior principles, the anti-abortion movement has completed its journey from "Roe v. Wade is bad because it should have been left up to the states," through "Dobbs is good because it puts the decision back in the hands of the states," and has finally arrived at "Not supporting a federal abortion ban is morally indefensible." Show nested quote +“President Trump’s assertion that the Supreme Court returned the issue of abortion solely to the states is a completely inaccurate reading of the Dobbs decision and is a morally indefensible position for a self-proclaimed pro-life presidential candidate to hold. Life is a matter of human rights, not states’ rights. Saying that the issue should only be decided at the states is an endorsement of abortion up until the moment of birth, even brutal late-term abortions in states like California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey. The only way to save these children is through federal protections, such as a 15-week federal minimum standard when the unborn child can feel excruciating pain.
“We will oppose any presidential candidate who refuses to embrace at a minimum a 15-week national standard to stop painful late-term abortions while allowing states to enact further protections. Susan B Anthony listAnyone else expecting that it won't stop here and will rapidly reach only a 6-week ban or total ban is a morally acceptable position?
I will never bet against the insanity or complete lack of any guiding principles of american conservatives. It has been very clear that all of their arguments and reasons are bad-faith smokescreens that they couldn't care less about, and where they are absolutely willing to take a complete 180 on if it benefits them. So yeah, i absolutey expect that, too.
That being said, your source is a 403 forbidden for me.
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On April 21 2023 09:56 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2023 08:29 KwarK wrote:On April 21 2023 07:51 BlackJack wrote:On April 21 2023 07:47 Artisreal wrote:On April 20 2023 07:59 BlackJack wrote:On April 20 2023 01:37 Artisreal wrote:On April 19 2023 23:50 BlackJack wrote:
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission. I don’t know of either one of those happening. If there should be a societal duty to protect children from this then we should also protect children from being told they are going to hell if they don’t worship Jesus. Probably more likely to get molested by the latter camp also.
Anyway I think Sadist is quite right that Democrats suck at not getting into the weeds with Republicans on this. Part of the problem is that they are catering to the crowd that thinks “silence is violence.” So neutral non-answers won’t satisfy them and you need to show your support and denounce the bigots to be a real one. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that think children’s story hour shouldn’t be read by men wearing stripper heels and they don’t consider themselves bigots. parents are free to take their kids elsewhere. it's a free country, isn't it? if they dont like it, they can move out right? it's not happening every day at the same place, I suppose. Yeah, isn’t that basically what I said in my first paragraph? yes, but also no.
Drag story is a non-issue unless either tax dollars are going to fund it or it’s being foisted onto children without parents permission.
its absolutely fine if a person offering a reading to children gets remunerated. as far as i am aware there's no evidence of mental scarring through seeing a man dressed up as a woman and neither the other way around. hell yeah are you going to pay them and if its in a library chances are its tax money. Then it’s not a non-issue. Everyone can have input on how public funds are being spent. I don’t think that’s controversial. It’s not reasonable to expect to agree with every dollar of taxpayer money spent. Right, it’s reasonable to expect disagreement on how tax dollars are spent
And if the outrage was about "is paying people to read to children in libraries the right thing to do" that would be a valid point. But that's not what all this has been about.
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