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On April 04 2023 08:03 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2023 07:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Yes, because wanting less punishment for the desperate who turn to crime out of an attempt to stay alive in the case of low level robberies or lesser drug offenses, or just smoking pot which is already legal in a bunch of places is the same as wanting to prosecute rich people, no matter their political affiliation, for breaking the law for their own self interest, not out of necessity but simply because they believe the law doesn't apply to them.
I expect such nuance to be lost on you.
America would be doing a lot better if it stopped waging a war on poor people. Right, I have no problem if you're going to argue that the laws should be selectively enforced so that crimes of poverty are punished less severely. My issue is when people want to take the stance "If Trump broke the law then he should be prosecuted, period. No ifs ands or buts because we prosecute all people that commit crimes and nobody is special" and then out of the other side of their mouth say "but all these crimes over here we aren't going to prosecute." You can't have it both ways.
You really can.
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On April 04 2023 01:17 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2023 21:51 King_Charles_III wrote:
Yeah the whole push to get trump put in jail is understandable but it's important to be level headed about it which I'm sorry to say one cannot expect from the democrats. The dems don't genuinely think that the stormy case is worthy of criminal charges, and we know that because they didn't bat an eye when the other 2016 presidential campaign got a civil fine only for the same scheme. The NYC based Clinton campaign concealed their funding of the Steele dossier, and didn't report it as campaign spending, by describing it in internal records as legal fees. In other words they covered up campaign spending by disguising it as legal fees. They got a civil fine for it, and it was a little blip in the news because no one genuinely thinks it's worthy of criminal charges.
Then there's the fact that with the indictment, the Manhattan DA is essentially trying to enforce federal law. Their theory involves upgrading the charge because a federal not state law was violated - even though states don't have the power to enforce federal law. Go to the DA's website and it says he enforces state law; go to the DOJ's website and it says they enforce federal law.
So yes, prosecute trump for the serious stuff but committed members of the democratic party cannot be trusted for a second to be in charge of this. They can't see their own overreach. You seem to be confused. First, the difference between the Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign is DA Alvin Bragg has found evidence that the payment to Stormy Daniels was done with the intent to commit another crime. That's why there are criminal felony charges. Second, a felony charge is not something that only a federal body like the DOJ can investigate and prosecute and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. The states investigate and prosecute felony charges all the time. This isn't overreach where he's trying to prosecute Trump for a crime he doesn't even have the jurisdiction to charge him with. And finally, the Democratic Party is not in charge of the case. Joe Biden isn't calling Alvin Bragg for details on the case. Hakeem Jeffries doesn't have his own task force searching for evidence to relay to the DA's office. Quit repeating stupid shit like the Democrats are prosecuting Trump. They aren't.
See there really isn't a meaningful distinction to be made between the Clinton and Trump campaign's schemes there. Both campaigns NYC based. Here are the steps common to both schemes:
1. Do some campaign spending that you want to keep secret by first paying the money to your lawyer and then having your lawyer pay the intended recipient.
2. Describe the transaction in your internal records as legal fees for legal advice.
3. Don't report the campaign spending to the FEC.
Trump is nominally charged with #2, but the NY DA must prove a second crime to upgrade it to a felony (and thereby increase the penalties on the accused), and the second crime that the NY DA is enforcing here is a federal crime (#3). Yet we have proof positive that the NYC area prosecutors, and the wider democratic party, don't actually care about the whole scheme: they didn't care care at all about Hillary's scheme.
BTW yes the NY DA is trying to enforce federal law here. It is only under federal law that failing to report federal campaign spending is a crime.
That's not even to mention the possibility that trump wasn't doing "campaign spending" because he was instead trying to hide it from his wife or generally trying to hide it as a public figure. Stormy's choice to come forward right before the election, but Trump would pay her 130k at any time.
As for overall democratic party bias, consider that the NYC area prosecutors are elected democrats, and that the overall democratic party is obsessively committed to the goal of putting Trump in jail. If you want proof of that, go turn on MSNBC or CNN, go on Twitter, or go on any news outlet you deem to be reliable. It's the top narrative since 2017: the walls are closing in.
Demonstrably selective prosecutions like what the NY DA is pursuing are really closely in line with this overall democratic party bias. That's why I say things are being taken too far. Just wait for Jack Smith, he's coming with the real crimes. Or if you're in get trump at all costs camp, I guess the NY DA has the utility of making it harder for trump to defend the real crimes. Which is a real utility, if you're in that camp.
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On April 04 2023 10:36 King_Charles_III wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2023 01:17 StasisField wrote:On April 03 2023 21:51 King_Charles_III wrote:
Yeah the whole push to get trump put in jail is understandable but it's important to be level headed about it which I'm sorry to say one cannot expect from the democrats. The dems don't genuinely think that the stormy case is worthy of criminal charges, and we know that because they didn't bat an eye when the other 2016 presidential campaign got a civil fine only for the same scheme. The NYC based Clinton campaign concealed their funding of the Steele dossier, and didn't report it as campaign spending, by describing it in internal records as legal fees. In other words they covered up campaign spending by disguising it as legal fees. They got a civil fine for it, and it was a little blip in the news because no one genuinely thinks it's worthy of criminal charges.
Then there's the fact that with the indictment, the Manhattan DA is essentially trying to enforce federal law. Their theory involves upgrading the charge because a federal not state law was violated - even though states don't have the power to enforce federal law. Go to the DA's website and it says he enforces state law; go to the DOJ's website and it says they enforce federal law.
So yes, prosecute trump for the serious stuff but committed members of the democratic party cannot be trusted for a second to be in charge of this. They can't see their own overreach. You seem to be confused. First, the difference between the Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign is DA Alvin Bragg has found evidence that the payment to Stormy Daniels was done with the intent to commit another crime. That's why there are criminal felony charges. Second, a felony charge is not something that only a federal body like the DOJ can investigate and prosecute and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. The states investigate and prosecute felony charges all the time. This isn't overreach where he's trying to prosecute Trump for a crime he doesn't even have the jurisdiction to charge him with. And finally, the Democratic Party is not in charge of the case. Joe Biden isn't calling Alvin Bragg for details on the case. Hakeem Jeffries doesn't have his own task force searching for evidence to relay to the DA's office. Quit repeating stupid shit like the Democrats are prosecuting Trump. They aren't. See there really isn't a meaningful distinction to be made between the Clinton and Trump campaign's schemes there. Both campaigns NYC based. Here are the steps common to both schemes: 1. Do some campaign spending that you want to keep secret by first paying the money to your lawyer and then having your lawyer pay the intended recipient. 2. Describe the transaction in your internal records as legal fees for legal advice. 3. Don't report the campaign spending to the FEC. Trump is nominally charged with #2, but the NY DA must prove a second crime to upgrade it to a felony (and thereby increase the penalties on the accused), and the second crime that the NY DA is enforcing here is a federal crime (#3). Yet we have proof positive that the NYC area prosecutors, and the wider democratic party, don't actually care about the whole scheme: they didn't care care at all about Hillary's scheme. BTW yes the NY DA is trying to enforce federal law here. It is only under federal law that failing to report federal campaign spending is a crime. That's not even to mention the possibility that trump wasn't doing "campaign spending" because he was instead trying to hide it from his wife or generally trying to hide it as a public figure. Stormy's choice to come forward right before the election, but Trump would pay her 130k at any time. As for overall democratic party bias, consider that the NYC area prosecutors are elected democrats, and that the overall democratic party is obsessively committed to the goal of putting Trump in jail. If you want proof of that, go turn on MSNBC or CNN, go on Twitter, or go on any news outlet you deem to be reliable. It's the top narrative since 2017: the walls are closing in. Demonstrably selective prosecutions like what the NY DA is pursuing are really closely in line with this overall democratic party bias. That's why I say things are being taken too far. Just wait for Jack Smith, he's coming with the real crimes. Or if you're in get trump at all costs camp, I guess the NY DA has the utility of making it harder for trump to defend the real crimes. Which is a real utility, if you're in that camp.
Except there is a meaningful distinction. That's why the Clinton Campaign got a fine and Trump is looking at felony charges. You can pretend there isn't a distinction but there is. You can ignore the catch and kill conspiracy that Trump, David Pecker, and Michael Cohen engaged in but the law certainly won't.
They aren't charging Trump with failing to report federal campaign spending. They are charging him with falsifying business records which is a crime in the state of New York and they are also presumably charging him with a conspiracy charge, and because the falsification of business records was done to cover up the conspiracy, it is a felony. It might not be a conspiracy charge though, it might be some other crime, we'll know exactly what the 34th charge is tomorrow though. You keep saying factually wrong things about the case. Maybe you should read up on it before your next post?
And again, we know that Trump, David Pecker, and Michael Cohen met and conspired to kill stories that could harm Trump's Presidential campaign and that they also falsified business records to cover up what the money was used for. We know this. Both David Pecker and Michael Cohen have confessed to this. Michael Cohen went to prison for this and David Pecker received transactional immunity for his testimony related to this.
Yes, the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to put Trump away! That's why there are cases in every state and Trump is being thrown indictments every day since he got out! Just fucking stop. The persecution complex is embarrassing. The Democratic Party doesn't like Trump and many people would like to see Trump face justice, but the party has spent considerably less time obsessing with this indictment compared to the Republican Party, the party that is, by the way, spending all their energy on Trump, drag queens, and trans kids instead of proposing a budget and addressing the debt ceiling or addressing mass shootings or addressing climate change or addressing homelessness or addressing wage stagnation or addressing... you get the idea. Also, I couldn't give a shit what a news outlet says or how much time they spend covering Trump's criminal investigations. A news outlet is not the Democratic Party.
They aren't demonstrably selective prosecutions and Trump isn't being treated unfairly. There are real, significant differences to what Trump did and what the Clinton campaign did and pretending there isn't doesn't make those differences go away. And if anything, Trump is being treated with kid gloves by our judicial system because he's an ex-President. Just to give an example, Trump won't have to stay in the state of New York after he's arraigned, he won't be handcuffed, and he might not even have to take a mug shot or if he does it'll probably be sealed.
Also, we want to talk about party bias on this issue? The Republicans are frothing at the mouth even though they don't even know the facts of the case, and the justice department under Bill Barr asked for Cyrus Vance, the previous Manhattan DA, to stop the investigation into Trump.
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The fact that the people whose campaign slogan was “lock her up” are so outraged that Trump gets prosecuted for falsifying records while paying hush money with campaign funding to cover up fucking a porn star while his third, 40 years younger, wife was pregnant tells you all you need to know about american politics.
Can’t make that up, really. It’s not even necessary to point out that if Hillary Clinton had cheated Bill with a young male pornstar (i mean, imagine) and paid hush money with political donations while falsifying records doing so, the brain of those same people would have literally exploded.
Also beautiful that the same people i have read for ten years complain that no president would ever get convicted because the system is so corrupt now complain that this conviction is political. Make up your mind lol.
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we have some concept about how Republicans would react if this was about Hillary instead of Trump if we look at the fact that they impeached Bill Clinton for not even technically lying about getting a blowjob.
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Yeah, but they can't admit that that is what is going on, because if you admit that your decisions are purely tribal, that means you are losing. And it is all about winning against the other side.
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On April 04 2023 17:45 Gorsameth wrote:
we have some concept about how Republicans would react if this was about Hillary instead of Trump if we look at the fact that they impeached Bill Clinton for not even technically lying about getting a blowjob.
And that was years before the GOP got truly crazy too. Imagine the response to Bill Clinton from today's GOP.
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Will more information be unsealed today after Trump turns himself in? It's wild how much shaping of narrative there has been while nobody really knows the charges yet. People dieing on a hill for their former president while they don't even know what the hill looks like. I can't believe Desantis just bowed down to him by saying he wouldn't extradite, before even knowing the charges. They just jump to a pavlov induced defense no matter what.
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Did he actually "lock her up" ? Interesting thought.
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Did the election actually get overturned on January 6th?
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It seems like they really did their job, which was to be expected.
I am curious about how his "no comment" defence will fare this time, followed up by "this is lies and a witch hunt" rants in media.
I am so sick of that guy! I can't see what so many love about him, but that they don't give a shit about the facts of the case is obvious.
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Here's a hot take. If there is a crime a politician commits I don't care where they are charged and convicted be it sdny or ass random red state court. Crimes are crimes and more political figures should be charged.
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On April 04 2023 11:10 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2023 10:36 King_Charles_III wrote:On April 04 2023 01:17 StasisField wrote:On April 03 2023 21:51 King_Charles_III wrote:
Yeah the whole push to get trump put in jail is understandable but it's important to be level headed about it which I'm sorry to say one cannot expect from the democrats. The dems don't genuinely think that the stormy case is worthy of criminal charges, and we know that because they didn't bat an eye when the other 2016 presidential campaign got a civil fine only for the same scheme. The NYC based Clinton campaign concealed their funding of the Steele dossier, and didn't report it as campaign spending, by describing it in internal records as legal fees. In other words they covered up campaign spending by disguising it as legal fees. They got a civil fine for it, and it was a little blip in the news because no one genuinely thinks it's worthy of criminal charges.
Then there's the fact that with the indictment, the Manhattan DA is essentially trying to enforce federal law. Their theory involves upgrading the charge because a federal not state law was violated - even though states don't have the power to enforce federal law. Go to the DA's website and it says he enforces state law; go to the DOJ's website and it says they enforce federal law.
So yes, prosecute trump for the serious stuff but committed members of the democratic party cannot be trusted for a second to be in charge of this. They can't see their own overreach. You seem to be confused. First, the difference between the Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign is DA Alvin Bragg has found evidence that the payment to Stormy Daniels was done with the intent to commit another crime. That's why there are criminal felony charges. Second, a felony charge is not something that only a federal body like the DOJ can investigate and prosecute and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. The states investigate and prosecute felony charges all the time. This isn't overreach where he's trying to prosecute Trump for a crime he doesn't even have the jurisdiction to charge him with. And finally, the Democratic Party is not in charge of the case. Joe Biden isn't calling Alvin Bragg for details on the case. Hakeem Jeffries doesn't have his own task force searching for evidence to relay to the DA's office. Quit repeating stupid shit like the Democrats are prosecuting Trump. They aren't. See there really isn't a meaningful distinction to be made between the Clinton and Trump campaign's schemes there. Both campaigns NYC based. Here are the steps common to both schemes: 1. Do some campaign spending that you want to keep secret by first paying the money to your lawyer and then having your lawyer pay the intended recipient. 2. Describe the transaction in your internal records as legal fees for legal advice. 3. Don't report the campaign spending to the FEC. Trump is nominally charged with #2, but the NY DA must prove a second crime to upgrade it to a felony (and thereby increase the penalties on the accused), and the second crime that the NY DA is enforcing here is a federal crime (#3). Yet we have proof positive that the NYC area prosecutors, and the wider democratic party, don't actually care about the whole scheme: they didn't care care at all about Hillary's scheme. BTW yes the NY DA is trying to enforce federal law here. It is only under federal law that failing to report federal campaign spending is a crime. That's not even to mention the possibility that trump wasn't doing "campaign spending" because he was instead trying to hide it from his wife or generally trying to hide it as a public figure. Stormy's choice to come forward right before the election, but Trump would pay her 130k at any time. As for overall democratic party bias, consider that the NYC area prosecutors are elected democrats, and that the overall democratic party is obsessively committed to the goal of putting Trump in jail. If you want proof of that, go turn on MSNBC or CNN, go on Twitter, or go on any news outlet you deem to be reliable. It's the top narrative since 2017: the walls are closing in. Demonstrably selective prosecutions like what the NY DA is pursuing are really closely in line with this overall democratic party bias. That's why I say things are being taken too far. Just wait for Jack Smith, he's coming with the real crimes. Or if you're in get trump at all costs camp, I guess the NY DA has the utility of making it harder for trump to defend the real crimes. Which is a real utility, if you're in that camp. Except there is a meaningful distinction. That's why the Clinton Campaign got a fine and Trump is looking at felony charges. You can pretend there isn't a distinction but there is. You can ignore the catch and kill conspiracy that Trump, David Pecker, and Michael Cohen engaged in but the law certainly won't. They aren't charging Trump with failing to report federal campaign spending. They are charging him with falsifying business records which is a crime in the state of New York and they are also presumably charging him with a conspiracy charge, and because the falsification of business records was done to cover up the conspiracy, it is a felony. It might not be a conspiracy charge though, it might be some other crime, we'll know exactly what the 34th charge is tomorrow though. You keep saying factually wrong things about the case. Maybe you should read up on it before your next post? And again, we know that Trump, David Pecker, and Michael Cohen met and conspired to kill stories that could harm Trump's Presidential campaign and that they also falsified business records to cover up what the money was used for. We know this. Both David Pecker and Michael Cohen have confessed to this. Michael Cohen went to prison for this and David Pecker received transactional immunity for his testimony related to this. Yes, the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to put Trump away! That's why there are cases in every state and Trump is being thrown indictments every day since he got out! Just fucking stop. The persecution complex is embarrassing. The Democratic Party doesn't like Trump and many people would like to see Trump face justice, but the party has spent considerably less time obsessing with this indictment compared to the Republican Party, the party that is, by the way, spending all their energy on Trump, drag queens, and trans kids instead of proposing a budget and addressing the debt ceiling or addressing mass shootings or addressing climate change or addressing homelessness or addressing wage stagnation or addressing... you get the idea. Also, I couldn't give a shit what a news outlet says or how much time they spend covering Trump's criminal investigations. A news outlet is not the Democratic Party. They aren't demonstrably selective prosecutions and Trump isn't being treated unfairly. There are real, significant differences to what Trump did and what the Clinton campaign did and pretending there isn't doesn't make those differences go away. And if anything, Trump is being treated with kid gloves by our judicial system because he's an ex-President. Just to give an example, Trump won't have to stay in the state of New York after he's arraigned, he won't be handcuffed, and he might not even have to take a mug shot or if he does it'll probably be sealed. Also, we want to talk about party bias on this issue? The Republicans are frothing at the mouth even though they don't even know the facts of the case, and the justice department under Bill Barr asked for Cyrus Vance, the previous Manhattan DA, to stop the investigation into Trump.
Can you clarify what are the real and significant differences between what Trump is accused of and what King Charles alleges Hillary did?
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On April 05 2023 06:50 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2023 11:10 StasisField wrote:On April 04 2023 10:36 King_Charles_III wrote:On April 04 2023 01:17 StasisField wrote:On April 03 2023 21:51 King_Charles_III wrote:
Yeah the whole push to get trump put in jail is understandable but it's important to be level headed about it which I'm sorry to say one cannot expect from the democrats. The dems don't genuinely think that the stormy case is worthy of criminal charges, and we know that because they didn't bat an eye when the other 2016 presidential campaign got a civil fine only for the same scheme. The NYC based Clinton campaign concealed their funding of the Steele dossier, and didn't report it as campaign spending, by describing it in internal records as legal fees. In other words they covered up campaign spending by disguising it as legal fees. They got a civil fine for it, and it was a little blip in the news because no one genuinely thinks it's worthy of criminal charges.
Then there's the fact that with the indictment, the Manhattan DA is essentially trying to enforce federal law. Their theory involves upgrading the charge because a federal not state law was violated - even though states don't have the power to enforce federal law. Go to the DA's website and it says he enforces state law; go to the DOJ's website and it says they enforce federal law.
So yes, prosecute trump for the serious stuff but committed members of the democratic party cannot be trusted for a second to be in charge of this. They can't see their own overreach. You seem to be confused. First, the difference between the Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign is DA Alvin Bragg has found evidence that the payment to Stormy Daniels was done with the intent to commit another crime. That's why there are criminal felony charges. Second, a felony charge is not something that only a federal body like the DOJ can investigate and prosecute and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. The states investigate and prosecute felony charges all the time. This isn't overreach where he's trying to prosecute Trump for a crime he doesn't even have the jurisdiction to charge him with. And finally, the Democratic Party is not in charge of the case. Joe Biden isn't calling Alvin Bragg for details on the case. Hakeem Jeffries doesn't have his own task force searching for evidence to relay to the DA's office. Quit repeating stupid shit like the Democrats are prosecuting Trump. They aren't. See there really isn't a meaningful distinction to be made between the Clinton and Trump campaign's schemes there. Both campaigns NYC based. Here are the steps common to both schemes: 1. Do some campaign spending that you want to keep secret by first paying the money to your lawyer and then having your lawyer pay the intended recipient. 2. Describe the transaction in your internal records as legal fees for legal advice. 3. Don't report the campaign spending to the FEC. Trump is nominally charged with #2, but the NY DA must prove a second crime to upgrade it to a felony (and thereby increase the penalties on the accused), and the second crime that the NY DA is enforcing here is a federal crime (#3). Yet we have proof positive that the NYC area prosecutors, and the wider democratic party, don't actually care about the whole scheme: they didn't care care at all about Hillary's scheme. BTW yes the NY DA is trying to enforce federal law here. It is only under federal law that failing to report federal campaign spending is a crime. That's not even to mention the possibility that trump wasn't doing "campaign spending" because he was instead trying to hide it from his wife or generally trying to hide it as a public figure. Stormy's choice to come forward right before the election, but Trump would pay her 130k at any time. As for overall democratic party bias, consider that the NYC area prosecutors are elected democrats, and that the overall democratic party is obsessively committed to the goal of putting Trump in jail. If you want proof of that, go turn on MSNBC or CNN, go on Twitter, or go on any news outlet you deem to be reliable. It's the top narrative since 2017: the walls are closing in. Demonstrably selective prosecutions like what the NY DA is pursuing are really closely in line with this overall democratic party bias. That's why I say things are being taken too far. Just wait for Jack Smith, he's coming with the real crimes. Or if you're in get trump at all costs camp, I guess the NY DA has the utility of making it harder for trump to defend the real crimes. Which is a real utility, if you're in that camp. Except there is a meaningful distinction. That's why the Clinton Campaign got a fine and Trump is looking at felony charges. You can pretend there isn't a distinction but there is. You can ignore the catch and kill conspiracy that Trump, David Pecker, and Michael Cohen engaged in but the law certainly won't. They aren't charging Trump with failing to report federal campaign spending. They are charging him with falsifying business records which is a crime in the state of New York and they are also presumably charging him with a conspiracy charge, and because the falsification of business records was done to cover up the conspiracy, it is a felony. It might not be a conspiracy charge though, it might be some other crime, we'll know exactly what the 34th charge is tomorrow though. You keep saying factually wrong things about the case. Maybe you should read up on it before your next post? And again, we know that Trump, David Pecker, and Michael Cohen met and conspired to kill stories that could harm Trump's Presidential campaign and that they also falsified business records to cover up what the money was used for. We know this. Both David Pecker and Michael Cohen have confessed to this. Michael Cohen went to prison for this and David Pecker received transactional immunity for his testimony related to this. Yes, the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to put Trump away! That's why there are cases in every state and Trump is being thrown indictments every day since he got out! Just fucking stop. The persecution complex is embarrassing. The Democratic Party doesn't like Trump and many people would like to see Trump face justice, but the party has spent considerably less time obsessing with this indictment compared to the Republican Party, the party that is, by the way, spending all their energy on Trump, drag queens, and trans kids instead of proposing a budget and addressing the debt ceiling or addressing mass shootings or addressing climate change or addressing homelessness or addressing wage stagnation or addressing... you get the idea. Also, I couldn't give a shit what a news outlet says or how much time they spend covering Trump's criminal investigations. A news outlet is not the Democratic Party. They aren't demonstrably selective prosecutions and Trump isn't being treated unfairly. There are real, significant differences to what Trump did and what the Clinton campaign did and pretending there isn't doesn't make those differences go away. And if anything, Trump is being treated with kid gloves by our judicial system because he's an ex-President. Just to give an example, Trump won't have to stay in the state of New York after he's arraigned, he won't be handcuffed, and he might not even have to take a mug shot or if he does it'll probably be sealed. Also, we want to talk about party bias on this issue? The Republicans are frothing at the mouth even though they don't even know the facts of the case, and the justice department under Bill Barr asked for Cyrus Vance, the previous Manhattan DA, to stop the investigation into Trump. Can you clarify what are the real and significant differences between what Trump is accused of and what King Charles alleges Hillary did?
You can read my post again.
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I can't see what so many love about him
He's basically their/the US's id incarnate. One big problem for a lot of people struggling with this (or him being elected in the first place) is just how engrained into the social fabric of the US what Trump represents actually is.
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On April 05 2023 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:He's basically their/the US's id incarnate. One big problem for a lot of people struggling with this (or him being elected in the first place) is just how engrained into the social fabric of the US what Trump represents actually is.
Yeah Trump is basically saying the quiet part out loud and massive swaths of the country love that they have a leader who openly expresses their bigoted beliefs for them. I'm sure anyone who lives or has lived in the South has come across plenty of holier than thou Christians who have some of the most vile beliefs and opinions imaginable.
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On April 05 2023 06:39 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2023 05:10 Slydie wrote:It seems like they really did their job, which was to be expected. I am curious about how his "no comment" defence will fare this time, followed up by "this is lies and a witch hunt" rants in media. I am so sick of that guy! I can't see what so many love about him, but that they don't give a shit about the facts of the case is obvious. I do not get it all, he embodies none of the conservative values. He is not successful he just happened to be born into a incredibly rich family and took advantage of tax and bankruptcy laws to not go broke. I mean has anyone had more public business failures? I can't think of anyone who lost their charity. It is pathetic how many fans he got just by being loud, ignorant and insulting people. He's basically like a 80's high school movie villain but in real life and for some reason people just send him money. Its perplexing. Step 1 to understanding the 'Trump' conservative is to understand he has no values. Its about their 'right' to oppress others and to be against whatever the other guy (dems) is for.
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