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On February 14 2023 15:28 BlackJack wrote:
There’s so little trust in the media to adequately do its job these days
Yeah, I think you can attribute a lot of that to folks who slam "the MSM" at every opportunity.
On February 14 2023 17:16 Velr wrote:
Since the moment that accident happened i'm reading about how it's getting no coverage.
I think it's fair to point out that all the people really talking about this so far are essentially anyone but national outlets, Democrats, Republicans, and of course the donors that dumped the vinyl chloride in the first place. The Gen-Z tweet is more accurate in referring to national news coverage, because basically every single person along that chain has a vested interest in keeping this story low-profile.
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On February 14 2023 17:16 Velr wrote:
Since the moment that accident happened i'm reading about how it's getting no coverage.
When people say it is getting no coverage they mean validation of their viewpoint that the railroad was negligent in worker safety or lobbied for less regulation for the past decade.
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Yeah, it's getting plenty of coverage in the sense of lots of news outlets are saying "this thing happened".
There's a distinct lack of coverage in the form of "what caused this and who is responsible". You know, actual journalism beyond pointing a camera at the smoke and saying how bad it is that this happened.
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On February 14 2023 23:00 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2023 15:28 BlackJack wrote:
There’s so little trust in the media to adequately do its job these days Yeah, I think you can attribute a lot of that to folks who slam "the MSM" at every opportunity.
Sure, maybe if nobody says anything then nobody will notice
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I don't think she'll get very far, but props to her for having the courage to run against Trump in the primary. I wonder if her announcement will pave the way for others to throw their hats in the ring too.
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The US gerontocracy bothers me so much. This person is so not fit to be a leader, how many other politicians do we have that aren’t properly cogent? How long are they going to occupy a slot in Congress that could be occupied by someone who isn’t ancient and incoherent? Dianne Feinstein isn’t a Senator, her staff is a Senator.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3858125-feinstein-corrected-by-staffer-about-retirement-announcement/
Well, I haven’t made that decision. I haven’t released anything,” she said.
“Senator, we put out your statement,” a staff member for Feinstein quickly cut in.
“You put out the statement?” Feinstein responded. “I should have known they put it out.”
In her statement, Feinstein said that she would finish out her term, which is set to end in January 2025, but not run for reelection next year.
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On February 15 2023 13:14 Zambrah wrote:The US gerontocracy bothers me so much. This person is so not fit to be a leader, how many other politicians do we have that aren’t properly cogent? How long are they going to occupy a slot in Congress that could be occupied by someone who isn’t ancient and incoherent? Dianne Feinstein isn’t a Senator, her staff is a Senator. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3858125-feinstein-corrected-by-staffer-about-retirement-announcement/Show nested quote +Well, I haven’t made that decision. I haven’t released anything,” she said.
“Senator, we put out your statement,” a staff member for Feinstein quickly cut in.
“You put out the statement?” Feinstein responded. “I should have known they put it out.”
In her statement, Feinstein said that she would finish out her term, which is set to end in January 2025, but not run for reelection next year.
I think a basic cognitive test and/or an age maximum and/or term limits could be reasonable solutions to issues like this one... Although on the other hand, Americans currently have a right to vote for someone who almost certainly can't handle the job anymore over other people who can. It probably says more about the average voter who doesn't prefer a primary opponent over someone who's mentally declining (and it says plenty about the other people running who couldn't beat Feinstein).
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You don't need cognitive tests for candidates really, you just need cognitive tests for voters.
And yeah, I know that's not exactly realistic in the current political climate. Would be nice if people would actually understand what they are voting for before casting their ballots, though.
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On February 15 2023 20:04 Salazarz wrote:
You don't need cognitive tests for candidates really, you just need cognitive tests for voters.
And yeah, I know that's not exactly realistic in the current political climate. Would be nice if people would actually understand what they are voting for before casting their ballots, though.
I guess when it comes to voters, something like "cognitive ability" could be applied in different contexts. For example, would a voter need to have a minimum IQ score? Would they need to be able to answer a few basic, neutral questions about civics, politics, and candidates? If it's the latter, for example, all you need to do is ask the question "Who won the 2020 presidential election?" and offer them two choices, Biden or Trump, and the responses would disqualify millions of Republicans from voting. Republican leaders would never permit a fact-based test as a condition for voting eligibility, especially since Fox News viewers are consistently less informed than viewers of more neutral/liberal mainstream media outlets (and also, Fox News viewers are consistently less informed than people who don't watch any news at all): https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5 and the fact that, broadly speaking, conservatives are more susceptible to bias and misperceptions than liberals: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf1234
And even if those tests were somehow magically implemented, conservatives would probably just put the answers that the "system" was looking for (e.g., Biden "won"), even if they don't truly believe it, so it probably wouldn't end up disqualifying many voters.
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I actually think it is a systematic problem moreso than a congnitive one. Basically everyone involved acts rationally, the result is just bad.
When the system is based on people building clout and connections, then older people who have had more time to network do better. And when incumbents generally do better, people don't leave.
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Can someone from the states give us internationals a quick rundown on Nikki Haley? I had a look through her Wikipedia and it seems she is much more moderate than Trump. It initially looks to me like she has worked with him because she had to.
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On February 15 2023 21:23 Simberto wrote:
I actually think it is a systematic problem moreso than a congnitive one. Basically everyone involved acts rationally, the result is just bad.
When the system is based on people building clout and connections, then older people who have had more time to network do better. And when incumbents generally do better, people don't leave.
What do you mean everyone involved acts rationally? Are you including the voters? I would take issue with saying it's rational to vote for someone that is cognitively impaired.
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The voters generally have two options on a ballot. One they kind of agree with politically, and one they tend to view as basically Hitler. This is true on both political sides in the US.
In that setup, voting for someone who is losing their mental faculties, but who is in the party that you tend to agree with is rational. They would probably prefer to vote for someone who isn't basically dement who they agree with politically, but that option does not exist on the ballot.
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It's totally rational to vote for a cognitively impaired person who is more likely to support policies you'd support than what the other candidate would be. If you have two identical candidates cept one is cognitively impaired you obviously go with the other one, but likely voting pattern is way more important to me than whether a person remembers the name of their spouse.
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On February 15 2023 21:49 Simberto wrote:
The voters generally have two options on a ballot. One they kind of agree with politically, and one they tend to view as basically Hitler. This is true on both political sides in the US.
In that setup, voting for someone who is losing their mental faculties, but who is in the party that you tend to agree with is rational. They would probably prefer to vote for someone who isn't basically dement who they agree with politically, but that option does not exist on the ballot.
It does exist. It's called primaries. Or 3rd parties. Someone could challenge Joe Biden for the nomination in 2024. The reason they don't is because they know the voters would rather pick the incumbent over them even if the incumbent is well into their 80s.
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On February 15 2023 21:27 DropBear wrote:
Can someone from the states give us internationals a quick rundown on Nikki Haley? I had a look through her Wikipedia and it seems she is much more moderate than Trump. It initially looks to me like she has worked with him because she had to.
That's my understanding of her and her situation as well, and as far as I can tell, her Wiki is actually the best summary of her political career so far ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley#Political_career ). Her campaign website doesn't seem to have any political platforms/beliefs, which is pretty weird: https://nikkihaley.com/about/
I have no idea what the cornerstones of her campaign are going to be, and/or how she'll set herself apart from anyone else who runs in the Republican primary (besides "not being Trump", which would be a push to making the Republican party "great" again, reverting back to a pre-Trump era).
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Thoughts on Trump nickname for her? I’m thinking Tricky Nikki.
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The problem with impaired US politicians is all connected to their age.
Does any other country in the world have an average politician age as high as the US?
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On February 15 2023 23:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The problem with impaired US politicians is all connected to their age.
Does any other country in the world have an average politician age as high as the US?
Does any comparable country have as high of an uneducated voting population as the US?
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