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It has been speculated by various comentators in the media that this raid could be beneficial for trump. I dont think it is beneficial for trump and the final outcome could be rather damaging. But i dont think this is beneficial for the democrats either.
What would be the worst that could happen?
The worst that could happen i think is trump beeing guilty on something and making it illegal for him to run again. This would be the worst outcome for both the traditional democrats and the traditional republicans,specially in the long run. You can not disallow a candidate which still has maybe 15%-20% hardcore support to run without seriously destabilizing the whole political spectrum and also the nation.
Best would be if trump ran in the primarys and simply lost the nomination. 2nd best would be trump not running but this beeing his own choice. Trump not beeing allowed to run would be all the way down on the list of preferable outcomes. Some people here will probably be very happy with that outcome but it will create serious problems in the long run. For trump not beeing allowed to run would probably be the best outcome. Only beaten by beeing allowed to run and winning the nomination (which i think is unlikely to happen. I am not even sure he does want to run again).
Seeing how horrible it would be for both sides if trump would not be allowed to run,i dont think this search will result in something that will disallow him from running. And if it does,well then that is very bad news.
Holy crap, I knew it was bad but I didn't think he could forget he shook someone's hand within two seconds. It's mind blowing. Still can't fuck up a country as much as Trump ever could though, which says something.
On August 10 2022 09:42 pmh wrote: It has been speculated by various comentators in the media that this raid could be beneficial for trump. I dont think it is beneficial for trump and the final outcome could be rather damaging. But i dont think this is beneficial for the democrats either.
What would be the worst that could happen?
The worst that could happen i think is trump beeing guilty on something and making it illegal for him to run again. This would be the worst outcome for both the traditional democrats and the traditional republicans,specially in the long run. You can not disallow a candidate which still has maybe 15%-20% hardcore support to run without seriously destabilizing the whole political spectrum and also the nation.
Best would be if trump ran in the primarys and simply lost the nomination. 2nd best would be trump not running but this beeing his own choice. Trump not beeing allowed to run would be all the way down on the list of preferable outcomes. Some people here will probably be very happy with that outcome but it will create serious problems in the long run. For trump not beeing allowed to run would probably be the best outcome. Only beaten by beeing allowed to run and winning the nomination (which i think is unlikely to happen. I am not even sure he does want to run again).
Seeing how horrible it would be for both sides if trump would not be allowed to run,i dont think this search will result in something that will disallow him from running. And if it does,well then that is very bad news.
I don't think there's any world where Biden lets the DOJ go after Trump in such a direct, cut-throat way without having a really guaranteed result. I think commentators are so used to the idea of powerful men never actually suffering consequences many people assume Trump walking away unscathed is a foregone conclusion.
Biden and his team totally sucks, don't get me wrong. But this would be the most major miss step of all time if they didn't have a guaranteed win on their hands. I really just don't believe they are that level of bad.
And just to be clear with what I am saying: If Trump doesn't end up in extremely deep legal trouble from all this, to the point of being a 100% non-viable 2024 candidate, he will 100000% win in 2024.
I like to wait for thing's to wash out before I make any statements But the last thing Mohdoo said seems about right. This is an all or nothing deep dive( I say that but who knows how far "they" are willing to dive) to get Trump once and for all but if it doesn't turn up the juice then I don't know what to think.
@Jimmic you got any evidence of trump destroying documents or was that just for the Lul's in a group of relatively anti trump folks?
@Hollow Could you elaborate on your last point a bit, Because it seems like things are pretty far off the rails right now maybe you could show me the the most recent time they were on the rails and that would help me recollect my senses, As a fellow Canadian looking at American politics.
On August 10 2022 17:33 Taelshin wrote:@Jimmic you got any evidence of trump destroying documents or was that just for the Lul's in a group of relatively anti trump folks?
Like the repeated statements of people working with and around the Trump administration finding destroyed documents? Cause we have plenty of those.
What I read is that the FBI warrant was for boxes of confidential documents. Unless the documents themselves are incriminating evidence of some other crimes, I'd think the FBI just recovers them, and maybe Trump is slapped on the wrist with some meaningless fine. Because if they start seriously prosecuting Trump for the presidential records act, I don't see it going well. Recovering the documents makes perfect sense, and if Trump wasn't cooperating, it's hilarious to see Mar a Lago raided in order to retrieve them. But anything beyond that, and the "but Hillary's emails" will be revisited a hundred times a day.
Of course, if the documents are evidence of actual wrongdoing by Trump and/or his cronies, all bets are off.
On August 10 2022 10:38 Hollow wrote: Holy crap, I knew it was bad but I didn't think he could forget he shook someone's hand within two seconds. It's mind blowing. Still can't fuck up a country as much as Trump ever could though, which says something.
Pretty sure he already proved he definitely can. Weird how all of the negatives is being put in the previous administration’s shoes. Reading people’s comments on the white house page on FB whenever they try to beat the Biden’s administration’s chest is pure gold. Glad people are waking up and see what the US is really turning into.
Trying to circumvent the constitution is already really bad but trying to pull off a totalitarian system and using the FBI as a personal political weapon is simply gonna blow back in their face.
Anyhow, the left are eating themselves slowly but surely, it’s just a matter of time and I’m genuinely enjoying this.
Dude are you serious? Your guy literally tried to coup himself out of losing an election.
Edit: Also, the democrats are not "the left". They are centrists at best.
@Acrofales Agree with the majority. Wonder if you'd have as reasonable response if it was going the other way, But that's neither here nor there. Also agree with the final statement.
There is a rather big and important difference between a President telling the FBI to investigate a political opponent and the FBI doing their job, investigating crimes, and in the course of that investigating a political person that is tied to said crime.
On August 10 2022 10:38 Hollow wrote: Holy crap, I knew it was bad but I didn't think he could forget he shook someone's hand within two seconds. It's mind blowing. Still can't fuck up a country as much as Trump ever could though, which says something.
Pretty sure he already proved he definitely can. Weird how all of the negatives is being put in the previous administration’s shoes. Reading people’s comments on the white house page on FB whenever they try to beat the Biden’s administration’s chest is pure gold. Glad people are waking up and see what the US is really turning into.
Trying to circumvent the constitution is already really bad but trying to pull off a totalitarian system and using the FBI as a personal political weapon is simply gonna blow back in their face.
Anyhow, the left are eating themselves slowly but surely, it’s just a matter of time and I’m genuinely enjoying this.
Dude are you serious? Your guy literally tried to coup himself out of losing an election.
Edit: Also, the democrats are not "the left". They are centrists at best.
I’m definitely serious. Why do we all ignore the millions of dollars that went to Hunter Biden for example? What about the laptop and all the other crap?
Double standards all the way and it’s starting to bite them in the ass which is the best thing happening right now.
When it sounds like a bear, when it moves like a bear, smells like a bear… Anyhow, usually I stay out of political discussions because common sense and remaining objective is pretty hard for the vast majority and sooner or later people start derailing the conversation so I’ll just leave it at that.
Do you have any solid evidence that ties any of Hunter Biden's dodgy dealings with Joe that isn't a WhatsApp message that does not name any names?
Could you be specific about exactly what incriminating evidence was discovered in Hunter's laptop and how it incriminates Joe Biden?
I'm very happy to have a 'common sense' discussion, but I am not in possession of the facts you allude to, so please help me out.
On August 10 2022 18:12 Gorsameth wrote: There is a rather big and important difference between a President telling the FBI to investigate a political opponent and the FBI doing their job, investigating crimes, and in the course of that investigating a political person that is tied to said crime.
Then why the difference in effort depending on what side they’re looking at? Even the most anti Trump guy or the most pro Biden guy can obviously see what’s going on when you lay out the differences next to each other. Anyhow, the video I posted is pretty clear.
As almost certainly a PBU, you should know how discussions on this site work. You are required to make your points yourself. Not post a youtube video without ever elaborating, and then claiming that it proves everything. You should describe what that video shows, and how it supports your point, and why we are supposed to trust the source of this video.
Also, i do not think i will assume that a video called "Congress ERUPTS as Jim Jordan DESTROY Nadler for Supporting Illigal Activities of Hunter Biden" in a channel called "GOP NETWORK" with 25.3K subscribers is impartial evidence.
@Gorsameth So is that going to be the swerve then, Since the Admin "Didn't know" its just the FBI doing its job and they (the admin) cant be held accountable? not sure if that's gonna fly but maybe. Your right there is a difference, but have you accounted for the other side of the coin. An unelected agency with extreme power( I don't think I'm overstating here) going after former presidents (in this case) (but could be anyone) without any sort of oversight from the admin in office?
I don't think id buy that, and frankly I don't think you would either. You could sell me on this admin being that oblivious and maybe id buy that, but that doesn't seem to be the tack your taking so I'm gonna say I hope that's not the prevailing opinion and of justification to come.
If Trump wasn't involved in a dozen lawsuits, including inciting an insurrection you have find some sympathy for the concept of an unelected agency going after political figures but that is not the world we live in.
Anyone living in actual reality doesn't see a problem with the FBI investigating Trump.