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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
Trump's real estate appraiser handed over about 36,000 documents to the NY AG. A Federal Appeals Court has decided the House can have Trump's tax returns. Photos have surfaced that suggest Trump tried to flush documents. And a search warrant has been executed at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate where he has been staying. | ||
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BroodwarDota2
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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pmh
1416 Posts
I dont think it is beneficial for trump and the final outcome could be rather damaging. But i dont think this is beneficial for the democrats either. What would be the worst that could happen? The worst that could happen i think is trump beeing guilty on something and making it illegal for him to run again. This would be the worst outcome for both the traditional democrats and the traditional republicans,specially in the long run. You can not disallow a candidate which still has maybe 15%-20% hardcore support to run without seriously destabilizing the whole political spectrum and also the nation. Best would be if trump ran in the primarys and simply lost the nomination. 2nd best would be trump not running but this beeing his own choice. Trump not beeing allowed to run would be all the way down on the list of preferable outcomes. Some people here will probably be very happy with that outcome but it will create serious problems in the long run. For trump not beeing allowed to run would probably be the best outcome. Only beaten by beeing allowed to run and winning the nomination (which i think is unlikely to happen. I am not even sure he does want to run again). Seeing how horrible it would be for both sides if trump would not be allowed to run,i dont think this search will result in something that will disallow him from running. And if it does,well then that is very bad news. | ||
KwarK
United States44287 Posts
On August 10 2022 09:29 BroodwarDota2 wrote: How did this person become the President? Ran against an even worse candidate. That's the two party system for you. If you're here to own Biden fans I don't think you'll find any. | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 10 2022 09:42 pmh wrote: It has been speculated by various comentators in the media that this raid could be beneficial for trump. I dont think it is beneficial for trump and the final outcome could be rather damaging. But i dont think this is beneficial for the democrats either. What would be the worst that could happen? The worst that could happen i think is trump beeing guilty on something and making it illegal for him to run again. This would be the worst outcome for both the traditional democrats and the traditional republicans,specially in the long run. You can not disallow a candidate which still has maybe 15%-20% hardcore support to run without seriously destabilizing the whole political spectrum and also the nation. Best would be if trump ran in the primarys and simply lost the nomination. 2nd best would be trump not running but this beeing his own choice. Trump not beeing allowed to run would be all the way down on the list of preferable outcomes. Some people here will probably be very happy with that outcome but it will create serious problems in the long run. For trump not beeing allowed to run would probably be the best outcome. Only beaten by beeing allowed to run and winning the nomination (which i think is unlikely to happen. I am not even sure he does want to run again). Seeing how horrible it would be for both sides if trump would not be allowed to run,i dont think this search will result in something that will disallow him from running. And if it does,well then that is very bad news. I don't think there's any world where Biden lets the DOJ go after Trump in such a direct, cut-throat way without having a really guaranteed result. I think commentators are so used to the idea of powerful men never actually suffering consequences many people assume Trump walking away unscathed is a foregone conclusion. Biden and his team totally sucks, don't get me wrong. But this would be the most major miss step of all time if they didn't have a guaranteed win on their hands. I really just don't believe they are that level of bad. And just to be clear with what I am saying: If Trump doesn't end up in extremely deep legal trouble from all this, to the point of being a 100% non-viable 2024 candidate, he will 100000% win in 2024. | ||
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
@Jimmic you got any evidence of trump destroying documents or was that just for the Lul's in a group of relatively anti trump folks? @Hollow Could you elaborate on your last point a bit, Because it seems like things are pretty far off the rails right now maybe you could show me the the most recent time they were on the rails and that would help me recollect my senses, As a fellow Canadian looking at American politics. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22576 Posts
On August 10 2022 17:33 Taelshin wrote:@Jimmic you got any evidence of trump destroying documents or was that just for the Lul's in a group of relatively anti trump folks? Like the repeated statements of people working with and around the Trump administration finding destroyed documents? Cause we have plenty of those. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18438 Posts
Of course, if the documents are evidence of actual wrongdoing by Trump and/or his cronies, all bets are off. | ||
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snugger
12 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11984 Posts
On August 10 2022 17:55 snugger wrote: Pretty sure he already proved he definitely can. Weird how all of the negatives is being put in the previous administration’s shoes. Reading people’s comments on the white house page on FB whenever they try to beat the Biden’s administration’s chest is pure gold. Glad people are waking up and see what the US is really turning into. Trying to circumvent the constitution is already really bad but trying to pull off a totalitarian system and using the FBI as a personal political weapon is simply gonna blow back in their face. Anyhow, the left are eating themselves slowly but surely, it’s just a matter of time and I’m genuinely enjoying this. Dude are you serious? Your guy literally tried to coup himself out of losing an election. Edit: Also, the democrats are not "the left". They are centrists at best. | ||
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snugger
12 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22576 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2939 Posts
On August 10 2022 18:05 snugger wrote: I’m definitely serious. Why do we all ignore the millions of dollars that went to Hunter Biden for example? What about the laptop and all the other crap? Double standards all the way and it’s starting to bite them in the ass which is the best thing happening right now. When it sounds like a bear, when it moves like a bear, smells like a bear… Anyhow, usually I stay out of political discussions because common sense and remaining objective is pretty hard for the vast majority and sooner or later people start derailing the conversation so I’ll just leave it at that. Do you have any solid evidence that ties any of Hunter Biden's dodgy dealings with Joe that isn't a WhatsApp message that does not name any names? Could you be specific about exactly what incriminating evidence was discovered in Hunter's laptop and how it incriminates Joe Biden? I'm very happy to have a 'common sense' discussion, but I am not in possession of the facts you allude to, so please help me out. | ||
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snugger
12 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11984 Posts
On August 10 2022 18:22 snugger wrote: Then why the difference in effort depending on what side they’re looking at? Even the most anti Trump guy or the most pro Biden guy can obviously see what’s going on when you lay out the differences next to each other. Anyhow, the video I posted is pretty clear. As almost certainly a PBU, you should know how discussions on this site work. You are required to make your points yourself. Not post a youtube video without ever elaborating, and then claiming that it proves everything. You should describe what that video shows, and how it supports your point, and why we are supposed to trust the source of this video. Also, i do not think i will assume that a video called "Congress ERUPTS as Jim Jordan DESTROY Nadler for Supporting Illigal Activities of Hunter Biden" in a channel called "GOP NETWORK" with 25.3K subscribers is impartial evidence. | ||
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
I don't think id buy that, and frankly I don't think you would either. You could sell me on this admin being that oblivious and maybe id buy that, but that doesn't seem to be the tack your taking so I'm gonna say I hope that's not the prevailing opinion and of justification to come. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22576 Posts
Anyone living in actual reality doesn't see a problem with the FBI investigating Trump. | ||
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