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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Deleted User 173346
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 22 2022 05:20 BlackJack wrote: Good point. It doesn’t matter if what she said is technically true. What matters is that what she didn’t say is definitely not true. Liberals do not want to kill babies and farm them for electricity! That claim is ridiculous! If you're too busy arguing semantics to read between the lines and understand what she's saying, and where that fits into the narrative Republicans are trying to build, that's not my problem. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 22 2022 08:01 plasmidghost wrote: Looking at 538's model for Biden's approval rating and he's at a -13.2, worse than Trump's was at this time in his term. Things just keep looking more grim. Also been extremely paranoid about CPAC in Hungary openly advocating for the destruction of democracy and I know they can make it happen by 2025. It's a combination of a few things, and none of them are good for Biden or Democrats. There's your usual trend where the incumbent party is at a disadvantage, there's a lot of Republicans exerting influence where they can, and because Democrats technically have the majorities the blame falls at their doorstep. There's also the fact that the Democrats are genuinely fucking shit up by having the likes of Manchin, Sinema, and Biden himself throwing their weight behind an outmoded version of Conservative Democracy that is not what a lot of people wanted to see when they voted Trump out of office. Biden was elected on a lot of promises, and a lot of hope that he would fight what we had to suffer through the previous 4 years. There was an initial wave of executive orders when he came in, and there's been some genuinely good bills that came from it, but not a lot. Not enough to feel like we're coming back from the brink. The people's distaste for the performance of the Biden administration is not unfounded. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 22 2022 08:01 plasmidghost wrote: Looking at 538's model for Biden's approval rating and he's at a -13.2, worse than Trump's was at this time in his term. Things just keep looking more grim. I was pleased to see that, and a record low in Biden's approval, as well. Inflation is killing people's livelihood, it won't be long before gasoline is $5 a gallon at this rate, and there's no sign of any serious effort to do anything about it. No surprise that the approval rating reflects that. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
I won't claim to understand how inflation creation or mitigation works, but I am not hearing anything about what Biden is doing to fix it. I'm not seeing any bold action. I'm not seeing anything really. What has Biden done? What does he plan to do? If the issue is getting stuff through congress, do executive stuff instead. We are way past the point where inaction is tolerate. This is a pretty doomsday scenario right now. Some families plain and simply can't afford an additional $400/month in gas/food. And that's probably conservative. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Biden's only real response seems to be a remarkably tone-deaf refrain of, "we'll make incremental changes that might help 5-10 years from now." I'm sure that will really resonate with the increasing number of people drowning under the weight of high prices right now. | ||
micronesia
United States24799 Posts
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KwarK
United States44285 Posts
On May 22 2022 10:44 Mohdoo wrote: Inflation has definitely reached the point of "actually serious". I've been pretty surprised going to the grocery store lately. I am lucky to have the job I do. This has to be a major deal to people who are making an average salary. Some stuff is just crazy expensive. I won't claim to understand how inflation creation or mitigation works, but I am not hearing anything about what Biden is doing to fix it. I'm not seeing any bold action. I'm not seeing anything really. What has Biden done? What does he plan to do? If the issue is getting stuff through congress, do executive stuff instead. We are way past the point where inaction is tolerate. This is a pretty doomsday scenario right now. Some families plain and simply can't afford an additional $400/month in gas/food. And that's probably conservative. He doesn’t control monetary policy, the Fed does. Inflation has nothing to do with Biden. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27340 Posts
Like Mohdoo, and unlike seemingly many, many people on the internet I will happily concede that macroeconomics is not my strong suit | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 22 2022 11:11 micronesia wrote: Setting Biden aside, is this something the office of the president can solve in the short term, without doing even more damage instead, and with or without a cooperative congress? I think the last time we saw rates as bad as these were in the late 70s to early 80s... I have no idea what solved the problem then, though. Raising interest rates is the obvious answer. Or, more technically correct, coordinating a response by which the Fed raises interest rates and the legislative/executive branches work to minimize the fallout for the most vulnerable. That's what was done for the 70-80s crisis, largely successfully. Unfortunately this time around it's guaranteed to be significantly more painful because we've let the debt problem grow far, far larger than it was back then. In the moment, gaslighting about how the inflation is transitory just seems far more appealing than engineering a sharp recession. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 22 2022 11:13 KwarK wrote: He doesn’t control monetary policy, the Fed does. But Biden did nominate Powell back to be the head of the fed. Powell has been an complete disaster throughout the pandemic. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 22 2022 08:25 NewSunshine wrote: If you're too busy arguing semantics to read between the lines and understand what she's saying, and where that fits into the narrative Republicans are trying to build, that's not my problem. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity will agree that your statement that “she claims liberals want to kill babies and farm them for a fuel source” takes more liberty with the truth than her actual statement does. It’s not “semantics.” It’s Alex Jones-esque bullshit. The fact that DocRivers got banned for his post but nobody bats an eye at your post is quite telling. | ||
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KwarK
United States44285 Posts
On May 22 2022 11:58 BlackJack wrote: Anyone with a modicum of objectivity will agree that your statement that “she claims liberals want to kill babies and farm them for a fuel source” takes more liberty with the truth than her actual statement does. It’s not “semantics.” It’s Alex Jones-esque bullshit. The fact that DocRivers got banned for his post but nobody bats an eye at your post is quite telling. Fetuses are not keeping the lights on. They’re just not. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 22 2022 11:58 BlackJack wrote: Anyone with a modicum of objectivity will agree that your statement that “she claims liberals want to kill babies and farm them for a fuel source” takes more liberty with the truth than her actual statement does. It’s not “semantics.” It’s Alex Jones-esque bullshit. The fact that DocRivers got banned for his post but nobody bats an eye at your post is quite telling. Do you want to take a stab and guess why Republicans got this witness to testify what she did to Congress? I'm not waiting around for Republicans to spell out why they do everything they do, I'm looking at what they've just finished doing, and what they've done historically. And they've constantly been calling their ideological opponents baby-murderers, pedophiles, and whatever other insane shit they can think of, to force Democrats to defend against accusations that they're literally satanic monsters. This isn't new. In fact, if you've been involved in political discussion for any length of time, you'd have to be stupid not to see what they're doing here. Or, perhaps, caught up in arguing semantics because you're trying to score internet points. Pick one. Also, he got banned because he was previously banned for being an inflammatory, ignorant shitposter who peddled conspiracy theories, and tried to skirt the ban. Didn't help him that he did the exact same thing when he came back. Not very telling. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 22 2022 11:13 KwarK wrote: He doesn’t control monetary policy, the Fed does. Inflation has nothing to do with Biden. Ehhhh, I am a firm believer in the idea that a leader is responsible for what happens due to the people they hire and/or trust to handle things. If I hire someone, that person messing up is my fault as well. Biden has the capability to shape fed policy both formally and informally. He can do a variety of things to make the fed enact this or that vision. I can't accept the idea that inflation is beyond Biden's reach. A leader is judged by what they do and also what they don't do. In a situation as dire as this one, in the absolute most generous sense, Biden should be actively screaming on Twitter and other media outlets about what needs to be done. What is Biden saying should be done? What is his position on this? What does he think is a good idea? A bad idea? I have no idea. I have no visibility as to what Biden is thinking right now. Trump gave people a clear view into his logic and reasoning. While I clearly hate the guy, Biden is completely failing as a leader when compared to Trump. I would consider Trump a significantly more effective leader than Biden, even if I hated what Trump did. If I'm being honest, right now I would have more faith in Trump taking decisive action than Biden. I hope I am proven wrong and that some sort of actual stuff happens. But right now, this appears to be a giant leadership failure. It is insane that families are being absolutely destroyed by inflation right now and yet I don't have a clear idea as to what Biden hopes to do about it. This is a huge disaster. | ||
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Vivax
22410 Posts
It was likely a rational but morally questionable choice as it’s low income consumers paying for it. It was also decided under Trump, not Biden. His monetary job is to pick up the mess Trump left. Pros: You still got working banks and high tech goods and services. Cons: Everything else will explode in cost (I don’t believe that this inflation is reversible, slowable at most) or become unobtainium (labour too). Though I think that the blame for most costs goes to energy prices while mass media promotes the idea that it’s the war. At this point the best he could do is nationalize banks and just replace them with a single nonprofit one imho. That’s socialism but permanent bailouts are just pretending you aren’t in it already. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14207 Posts
boomers are now going to start retiring on mass and the country isn't going to recover for a long time. There just is no way to support that many retired people under the old systems and the people who could make the sacrifices to do so have no money and less patience to do so for them. Combine that with a political situation that is looking increasingly disinterested on one side and increasingly fascist on the other side I just don't have hope anymore in the future. things are never going to be as good as they are right now and it sucks and I hate it. I don't think I'm alone in that either. | ||
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Vivax
22410 Posts
On May 22 2022 14:29 Sermokala wrote: There was always going to be an economic crash coming due to the plauge. Without anything to fix the economic issues caused by 08 and the continued decline of the lower classes, something bigger was coming. boomers are now going to start retiring on mass and the country isn't going to recover for a long time. There just is no way to support that many retired people under the old systems and the people who could make the sacrifices to do so have no money and less patience to do so for them. Combine that with a political situation that is looking increasingly disinterested on one side and increasingly fascist on the other side I just don't have hope anymore in the future. things are never going to be as good as they are right now and it sucks and I hate it. I don't think I'm alone in that either. What's the incentive to work when savers get punished and real estate prices are artificially inflated by companies whose 'work' is to make you pay for a roof over your head and their owners skill was to be born first with more opportunites. That dread about the future is quite common under these circumstances. Can you not dig out Bernie again? Granted, still limited landlordship should be possible for individuals so they don't have to work until death, just not an entire business built around it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 22 2022 14:29 Sermokala wrote: There was always going to be an economic crash coming due to the plauge. Without anything to fix the economic issues caused by 08 and the continued decline of the lower classes, something bigger was coming. boomers are now going to start retiring on mass and the country isn't going to recover for a long time. There just is no way to support that many retired people under the old systems and the people who could make the sacrifices to do so have no money and less patience to do so for them. Combine that with a political situation that is looking increasingly disinterested on one side and increasingly fascist on the other side I just don't have hope anymore in the future. things are never going to be as good as they are right now and it sucks and I hate it. I don't think I'm alone in that either. A leader should not be judged by avoiding disaster but rather by how they handle disaster | ||
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