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On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Show nested quote +Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
What an absolute piece of shit. Sorry about doublepost was meant to be edit.
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Its funny because the things in the bill that hes sabotaging are the things that West Virginia is routinely in the bottom few states in, like welfare use, and infrastructure. I think its literally 50th in infrastructure, lol. Light googling indicates they're second in percentage of welfare usage, right behind New Mexico.
Really doing a good job looking out for West Virginians.
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On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Show nested quote +Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can.
It is totally insane that Manchin has this kind of power. Biden or Schumer or whoever need to blackmail him or threaten his kid's careers or something. McConnell would never allow this.
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Norway28739 Posts
I'd say McCain's thumbs down was an equal or bigger defeat for Trump compared to what this is for Biden. (To be fair Collins and Murkowski also did - but their nos were part of the calculation.)
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On October 01 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. It is totally insane that Manchin has this kind of power. Biden or Schumer or whoever need to blackmail him or threaten his kid's careers or something. McConnell would never allow this. really? I feel confident saying McConnell wanted more out of the Republicans control of all 3 branches but couldn't because he was stopped by parts of the GOP in the Senate (and House).
McConnell looked in charge because he simply (almost) never allowed to get it to a vote if they didn't have the votes in the first place but he certainly didn't get everything he wanted.
Sure it never was as easily pointed at as Manchin now because their margin was bigger then 1 man but the situation really doesn't feel much different.
You say 'How can they let Manchin do this' but this is the reality of any majority of 1. Its not even a US problem, this very situation can happen in any democracy which is why coalitions like to have a bigger margin then the bare minimum.
And what are they going to do? Withdraw support for him? A more progressive candidate is unlikely to win, the Democrats are lucky they get a senator out of what appears to otherwise be a solid red state.
The only thing the Democrats get from throwing out Manchin is a Republican in his place that will vote for even less things they want.
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United States43583 Posts
On October 01 2021 05:25 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. It is totally insane that Manchin has this kind of power. Biden or Schumer or whoever need to blackmail him or threaten his kid's careers or something. McConnell would never allow this. really? I feel confident saying McConnell wanted more out of the Republicans control of all 3 branches but couldn't because he was stopped by parts of the GOP in the Senate (and House). McConnell looked in charge because he simply (almost) never allowed to get it to a vote if they didn't have the votes in the first place but he certainly didn't get everything he wanted. Sure it never was as easily pointed at as Manchin now because their margin was bigger then 1 man but the situation really doesn't feel much different. You say 'How can they let Manchin do this' but this is the reality of any majority of 1. Its not even a US problem, this very situation can happen in any democracy which is why coalitions like to have a bigger margin then the bare minimum. And what are they going to do? Withdraw support for him? A more progressive candidate is unlikely to win, the Democrats are lucky they get a senator out of what appears to otherwise be a solid red state. The only thing the Democrats get from throwing out Manchin is a Republican in his place that will vote for even less things they want.
It’d send a message at least. Right now Manchin is showing that the whip is toothless. But yeah, it’s not worth it really.
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On October 01 2021 05:25 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. It is totally insane that Manchin has this kind of power. Biden or Schumer or whoever need to blackmail him or threaten his kid's careers or something. McConnell would never allow this. really? I feel confident saying McConnell wanted more out of the Republicans control of all 3 branches but couldn't because he was stopped by parts of the GOP in the Senate (and House). McConnell looked in charge because he simply (almost) never allowed to get it to a vote if they didn't have the votes in the first place but he certainly didn't get everything he wanted. Sure it never was as easily pointed at as Manchin now because their margin was bigger then 1 man but the situation really doesn't feel much different. You say 'How can they let Manchin do this' but this is the reality of any majority of 1. Its not even a US problem, this very situation can happen in any democracy which is why coalitions like to have a bigger margin then the bare minimum. And what are they going to do? Withdraw support for him? A more progressive candidate is unlikely to win, the Democrats are lucky they get a senator out of what appears to otherwise be a solid red state. The only thing the Democrats get from throwing out Manchin is a Republican in his place that will vote for even less things they want.
It isn't worth it to remove him but it *is* worth it to use deeply unethical means to control his actions.
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On October 01 2021 06:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 05:25 Gorsameth wrote:On October 01 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. It is totally insane that Manchin has this kind of power. Biden or Schumer or whoever need to blackmail him or threaten his kid's careers or something. McConnell would never allow this. really? I feel confident saying McConnell wanted more out of the Republicans control of all 3 branches but couldn't because he was stopped by parts of the GOP in the Senate (and House). McConnell looked in charge because he simply (almost) never allowed to get it to a vote if they didn't have the votes in the first place but he certainly didn't get everything he wanted. Sure it never was as easily pointed at as Manchin now because their margin was bigger then 1 man but the situation really doesn't feel much different. You say 'How can they let Manchin do this' but this is the reality of any majority of 1. Its not even a US problem, this very situation can happen in any democracy which is why coalitions like to have a bigger margin then the bare minimum. And what are they going to do? Withdraw support for him? A more progressive candidate is unlikely to win, the Democrats are lucky they get a senator out of what appears to otherwise be a solid red state. The only thing the Democrats get from throwing out Manchin is a Republican in his place that will vote for even less things they want. It isn't worth it to remove him but it *is* worth it to use deeply unethical means to control his actions. Am I missing a sarcasm here?
No, its not.
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On October 01 2021 07:54 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 06:57 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2021 05:25 Gorsameth wrote:On October 01 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. It is totally insane that Manchin has this kind of power. Biden or Schumer or whoever need to blackmail him or threaten his kid's careers or something. McConnell would never allow this. really? I feel confident saying McConnell wanted more out of the Republicans control of all 3 branches but couldn't because he was stopped by parts of the GOP in the Senate (and House). McConnell looked in charge because he simply (almost) never allowed to get it to a vote if they didn't have the votes in the first place but he certainly didn't get everything he wanted. Sure it never was as easily pointed at as Manchin now because their margin was bigger then 1 man but the situation really doesn't feel much different. You say 'How can they let Manchin do this' but this is the reality of any majority of 1. Its not even a US problem, this very situation can happen in any democracy which is why coalitions like to have a bigger margin then the bare minimum. And what are they going to do? Withdraw support for him? A more progressive candidate is unlikely to win, the Democrats are lucky they get a senator out of what appears to otherwise be a solid red state. The only thing the Democrats get from throwing out Manchin is a Republican in his place that will vote for even less things they want. It isn't worth it to remove him but it *is* worth it to use deeply unethical means to control his actions. Am I missing a sarcasm here? No, its not.
2T of social spending to save lives and change a giant number of issues? I'd totally tank some dude's career or something like that in order to make that happen. There are some serious pros/cons you could list to determine if threatening someone's family in non-violent ways is worth $2T of spending. A great deal of things in the 3.5T bill are life changing for millions of people. If Schumer or Biden have some ability to threaten
A quick google revels he has 3 kids. I am 100% sure either Biden or Schumer could pull strings to make their lives significantly worse in the absence of Manchin bending the knee. I'd slam that button hard if I could. A couple random, rich jackasses having a shitty year is totally worth $2T of social spending.
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One of his kids is famous for jacking up the price of EpiPens. Him and his kids are well connected shits.
Incidentally I take issue with the notion that Joe Manchins senate seat is so precious, I think Democrats would look a lot stronger electorally if they jettisoned the Sinemanchin elements and focused on a strategy of strong action to win back places in the blue wall. Manchin's seat is on borrowed time and no amount of wishy-washy corporate Democrat fuckery is going to keep it beyond the day hes no longer in it. Planning around having Manchin around is short term thinking and its going to be a rude awakening when that election comes and WV goes red despite time spent appeasing Manchin.
Move on from letting Manchin and Sinema run the agena, use every tool in the shed to whip their asses into line and focus on proving to the American people that Democrats aren't limpdick do-nothings with a lot of words and barely a few actions.
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The good news is that I think Biden and Schumer both know it will be 2010 all over again if they don't pass this bill. They have every reason to think they are completely fucked unless they pass it. I hope Biden continues to be a firm leader and does what needs to be done to make that happen. Executive actions can do a lot too.
I think it is time for democrats to move on from the pharma stuff in the bill though. Both Manchin and Sinema have deep ties to pharma and they aren't going to budge.
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On October 01 2021 04:03 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. “My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.” What an absolute piece of shit. Sorry about doublepost was meant to be edit.
It seems lost on many Democrats how counterproductive it is to have someone like Manchin (even moreso Sinema) fundamentally undermining the very rationale for their agenda (as well as the agenda itself) from inside their party.
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On October 01 2021 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 04:03 Starlightsun wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. “My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.” What an absolute piece of shit. Sorry about doublepost was meant to be edit. It seems lost on many Democrats how counterproductive it is to have someone like Manchin (even moreso Sinema) fundamentally undermining the very rationale for their agenda (as well as the agenda itself) from inside their party.
Biden won the general election by catering to moderates. The senate is not built to favor popular vote, it is intended to destroy democracy by letting corn fields have a vote equal to 10 million people. Which seats are you seeing Democrats can SPECIFICALLY win if only they were more left leaning? Which seat is suddenly in play when we lose Manchin? Losing Manchin and Sinema is only worth it democrats gain at least 2 other seats.
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Garbage bill. Pushing through a shit proposal and then turning on one guy calling you out because "it needs to be passed" is rank foolishness. Republicans don't have jack shit to stand on with their delays sure, but let the place shutdown for a few weeks until you trim this behemoth down. We've ballooned government spending and our debt for decades now.
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On October 01 2021 11:12 Husyelt wrote:
Garbage bill. Pushing through a shit proposal and then turning on one guy calling you out because "it needs to be passed" is rank foolishness. Republicans don't have jack shit to stand on with their delays sure, but let the place shutdown for a few weeks until you trim this behemoth down. We've ballooned government spending and our debt for decades now.
Probably because the cost to run a country continues to grow? There's a lot of pork and waste of shit in bills all the time. But if the bill is mostly to be used for good, then blow that spending and debt as far as you can. People need what's in these "at face value" pretty decent bills. Of course it isn't popular now, but if they implement it correctly, history will show this was a good bill to pass.
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On October 01 2021 11:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 11:12 Husyelt wrote:
Garbage bill. Pushing through a shit proposal and then turning on one guy calling you out because "it needs to be passed" is rank foolishness. Republicans don't have jack shit to stand on with their delays sure, but let the place shutdown for a few weeks until you trim this behemoth down. We've ballooned government spending and our debt for decades now. Probably because the cost to run a country continues to grow? There's a lot of pork and waste of shit in bills all the time. But if the bill is mostly to be used for good, then blow that spending and debt as far as you can. People need what's in these "at face value" pretty decent bills. Of course it isn't popular now, but if they implement it correctly, history will show this was a good bill to pass.
Costs grow and population grows. We can't pretend a trillion dollars is permanently some enormous amount of money.
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On October 01 2021 10:35 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 01 2021 04:03 Starlightsun wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. “My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.” What an absolute piece of shit. Sorry about doublepost was meant to be edit. It seems lost on many Democrats how counterproductive it is to have someone like Manchin (even moreso Sinema) fundamentally undermining the very rationale for their agenda (as well as the agenda itself) from inside their party. Biden won the general election by catering to moderates. The senate is not built to favor popular vote, it is intended to destroy democracy by letting corn fields have a vote equal to 10 million people. Which seats are you seeing Democrats can SPECIFICALLY win if only they were more left leaning? Which seat is suddenly in play when we lose Manchin? Losing Manchin and Sinema is only worth it democrats gain at least 2 other seats.
I think that perspective is missing the forest for the trees. The US needs more "left-leaning" policy (massive understatement imo). Not as a matter of personal preference (though they happen to align in that way), but because the overwhelming scientific consensus is unambiguously clear on this.
I don't think the US will find anything even approaching those necessary policies within the existing bourgeois democracy
Within the confines of that bourgeois democracy, I agree with you on twisting his arm up to and beyond pressuring him and his progeny with increased scrutiny for "questionable" financial relationships though.
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On October 01 2021 11:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2021 10:35 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2021 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 01 2021 04:03 Starlightsun wrote:On October 01 2021 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Pelosi said she was having a vote on the Republican approved infrastructure deal from the senate. Manchin is sticking to his $1.5 trillion top line number for what he'd support through reconciliation. Progressives have committed to not passing the Senate's infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" reconciliation package. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced Thursday that his top-line spending number for the budget reconciliation package is $1.5 trillion, far below the $3.5 trillion spending goal set by the budget resolution that he and every other Senate Democrat voted for last month.
“My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.”
The House is scheduled to vote Thursday on a $1.1 trillion infrastructure bill backed by Manchin that passed the Senate, but progressives have threatened to vote against it unless a separate social spending measure is moved in tandem.
thehill.comPelosi pulling the vote off the schedule is probably the least embarrassing for everyone and the most likely imo, but that's just kicking the can. “My top-line has been $1.5 [trillion],” he said, explaining that he doesn’t want “to change our whole society to an entitlement mentality.” What an absolute piece of shit. Sorry about doublepost was meant to be edit. It seems lost on many Democrats how counterproductive it is to have someone like Manchin (even moreso Sinema) fundamentally undermining the very rationale for their agenda (as well as the agenda itself) from inside their party. Biden won the general election by catering to moderates. The senate is not built to favor popular vote, it is intended to destroy democracy by letting corn fields have a vote equal to 10 million people. Which seats are you seeing Democrats can SPECIFICALLY win if only they were more left leaning? Which seat is suddenly in play when we lose Manchin? Losing Manchin and Sinema is only worth it democrats gain at least 2 other seats. I think that perspective is missing the forest for the trees. The US needs more "left-leaning" policy (massive understatement imo). Not as a matter of personal preference (though they happen to align in that way), but because the overwhelming scientific consensus is unambiguously clear on this. I don't think the US will find anything even approaching those necessary policies within the existing bourgeois democracy Within the confines of that bourgeois democracy, I agree with you on twisting his arm up to and beyond pressuring him and his progeny with increased scrutiny for "questionable" financial relationships though.
I agree. How does losing the senate majority get us there? When we lose Manchin and Sinema, what mechanism allows the left to retake the senate and do what needs to be done? When I look at the senate map, I do not see a path to senate majority by going further left. I am assuming you are more in the know than I am. Which seats are you saying can be taken from republicans by advocating for the policies you are saying are necessary? From my perspective, no such seats exist. I understand the basic idea of "advocate for the common man and you will suddenly have a wave of new support", but I am seeing no evidence of that being real.
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