• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:04
CEST 09:04
KST 16:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy2Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)6BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3 [ASL19] Grand Finals
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Who’s Getting the Effortless-Chic Look Just Right?
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27336 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3320

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 3318 3319 3320 3321 3322 5026 Next
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.


If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-21 22:11:45
September 21 2021 22:03 GMT
#66381
Haven't posted in a while, consolidating some thoughts.

1. The democrats have done nothing with the senate.
2. The democrats have a very hard fight ahead in 2022 to even retain the house, due to the challenger effect.
3. While not AS bad as in 2012, 2022 will have awful, awful maps due to GOP control of so many state houses.
4. The Biden admin is sending monthly reminders to people that student loans will restart in January. (Note that Trump's admin never did this, even when it was supposed to expire in a month. They probably knew they'd delay it forever, but still).

All in all, I'm extraordinarily pessimistic about midterms. The democrats are facing impossible odds, but they're acting like it's another Tuesday. The party leadership isn't taking anything seriously enough.

Look, I'm glad Biden got elected. It stemmed the worst of the bleeding.... but the house/senate have been literally fucking useless, outside of the house investigation into an insurrection.

At this point, I think, strategically, the democrats are better off ejecting Sinema from the party and giving up control of the Senate sometime in the next few months. Sinema has clearly demonstrated she's of no use, even compared to Manchin.

Manchin has (albeit unclearly) signalled that he is willing to break the filibuster on more than one occasion, while Sinema is busy curtsying to goddamn Mitch McConnell in the MIDST of displaying her support for overturning abortion.

This illusion that they have control is only hurting 2022 prospects and we've gotten nothing from it.

They need the senate to approve Biden nominees? Why didn't that apply to Trump? He just appointed acting directors illegally to everything. If they aren't punishing the tactic, then it's an acceptable one.

Other things :
The only reason I think there's a chance at all are these factors :

1. 2010 GOP republican candidate effect taken to extremes.

The GOP lost several easy seats in 2010, due to some atrociously bad candidates like "Legitimate Rape" Todd Akin. This will be taken into hyperdrive, but with partisanship as it is, not sure it'll matter.

2. The afghanistan rigamarole is nonsense.
No one is going to care about it within a few months and the GOP can't help but present the case of "well, we should've stayed another 20 years" every time it comes up. Additionally, I think this is the inverse of a war bounce : those are extreme but short lived and typically lower the approval rating after the war starts to set in. I don't really think there's any reason to suspect that any lowered approval ratings from this are permanent.

3. Covid deaths.

These mostly affect the elderly, and those refusing to take it are now basically all Republicans.
It's not a huge effect, but 700K dead and some amount incapable of voting does add up.

edit:
One thing to note, I don't actually think SCOTUS overturning Roe V Wade matters. If Americans actually gave a shit about women's rights, they would've voted in the past. They're also dumb enough to easily persuade "well, they didn't technically overturn it...", despite their actions being far, far worse than just overturning.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
September 21 2021 22:37 GMT
#66382
On September 22 2021 01:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2021 16:57 Salazarz wrote:
On September 21 2021 13:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 21 2021 13:33 Salazarz wrote:
On September 21 2021 12:45 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 21 2021 11:09 Salazarz wrote:
The US needs Europe way more than Europe needs the US, especially if the US continues to drum up its conflict with China. The way things are going, it's not unthinkable to see US turning pretty much the entire world against them in the coming years, meanwhile EU would be perfectly fine with increasing their economic cooperation with Russia and China to make up whatever deficits they have from the US, especially as belt & road picks up steam.

China's 'perspective on personal liberties' are absolutely irrelevant for Europe's future, since unlike the US, China does not insist on exporting their own 'values' all over the world.


I think you're totally misjudging China's ambitions. They will not be satisfied until they have all of Asia minimum. Are you familiar with Chinese nationalism? Chinese racial superiority complex regarding Koreans and Japanese? China isn't in a position to take over those countries but everyone involved knows it is 1000% their goal. China will never be satisfied with just China.

One thing to keep in mind is the culture of the US compared to the culture of China. The average American has zero desire to ultimately take over Canada or Mexico. The average Chinese citizen is totally insanely nationalist. Even among educated folks. Oregon State University had a big problem with Chinese international students being openly aggressive towards TW/HK students. The level of conquering ambition in China is incomparable to the US.

I have no idea how this dynamic is with Russia. It isn't clear to me if the average Russian wants to retake the USSR or whatever. I have zero perspective on that. But as it is extremely relevant to point out the 100 year ambitions of the US vs China are totally different. China's ambitions are chilling and they are definitely the greatest threat to the world.

As for your other point, I think its fair to just say both EU and US benefit a great deal from each other. Neither would ever in a million years let that relationship sour. Married couples fight. So do allies. France has a craaaazy level of pride. Of course they will cry about this. It will pass. None of this is an actual big deal IMO.


This is such a ridiculous make-believe take, I don't even know how to address it. You've just discounted an entire fucking continent as subservient dicksuckers a couple comments ago, and now you're talking about insane Chinese nationalism? Come on. It's actually incredible how your typical American is so eager to discuss the 'open aggression' and 'nationalism' and 'dangerous ambitions' of whatever your current enemy is while remaining entirely oblivious to what your own country does and how others might see you.


The only way someone thinks what you are typing is if you don't have experience with it. There's nothing I can do to convince you of its existence if you aren't aware of it or haven't encountered it. You're just one person, I'm not bothered by you not being convinced. I just wanted to explain why I believe what I believe. Chinese nationalism dwarfs any other country, even the US and France, who are generally regarded as the two distasteful ones. I hope you never encounter what I described. It is really sad and scary.


Don't have experience with it? I've been living in East Asia for the past 10+ years, I run an international business of my own and travel routinely between all of the 'hot spots' of Asia -- our offices are in Seoul, Taipei, Shenzhen, and Singapore, with clients pretty much all over Asia as well as West Coast US. I have not met a single Chinese person who actually believed in any of the ridiculous 'Chinese Manifest Destiny' nonsense you're talking about, and I've met plenty of Chinese people. China does not have any 'territorial disputes' with Korea; the only 'territorial disputes' they have with Japan are over some worthless islands that Japan is claiming, similar to Japan's row over Dokdo, Sakhalin, and half a dozen other island claims. Mao-era 'five fingers' bullshit nobody cares about at this point. Even IF they actually wound up taking over Nepal and Bhutan (and that's a massive fucking if), that still wouldn't be anywhere close to matching the amount of suffering and invasions that the US has caused in the last few decades. Their claims in South China Sea have nothing to do with the asinine fairy tales of wanting to conquer Vietnam or Philippines, it's entirely about securing maritime resources and shipping routes. Annoying for their neighbors, perhaps, but hardly world-ending, and given the US' propensity for sea-based provocations, hardly inexcusable.

You're painting all these apocalyptic scenarios of Chinese world domination, but none of them make sense. It's the same stories as Putin's supposed desire to conquer Sweden and Latvia or Kim Jong Un's quest to turn California into a nuclear inferno -- it's just entirely implausible and unwanted by anyone aside from a handful of nutcases who would never survive at the top of a political pyramid anywhere ever.

Think about it for a second. What does China stand to gain from invading Vietnam? Like, literally what would be the point of that? It's just such a dumb idea in 21st century. Call CCP what you want, but they aren't idiots, and they don't do evil shit just for the sake of being evil.

Besides, all this conjecture about China taking over the world is ignoring the most important point I'm trying to make here. Moving towards a multipolar world isn't an invitation to turn international politics into a 'might makes right' free for all. If anything, having more equitable nations on top of the world would lead to more credible international law and more respect for the said international law. As it stands, the US routinely flaunts any and all international agreements whenever it suits their interests -- and now that China is becoming something bigger than a regional power, they're starting to ask, why can't we do the same? For international law to matter, everyone needs to abide by the same rules, and the US losing its status as sole super power leading to such an outcome is a far more realistic scenario than China randomly deciding to send troops into Okinawa or whatever wild bullshit some of you seem to think will happen the moment Uncle Sam is forced to take a step back.

After how close the EU got to letting Huawei build their internet infrastructure, I lost a lot of confidence in the EU. It appears to be USA or nothing for the foreseeable future.


What exactly is the problem with Huawei building internet infrastructure in the EU? To this date, none of the accusations about supposed backdoors and spying from Huawei have been proven, never mind that to a EU citizen, CIA spying is hardly better than CCP spying.


A lot of this is just whataboutism while outright dismissing the findings of multiple organizations and countries. Not good enough. Conducting business with Chinese people is not the same as understanding the less business side of China. Overall this post is a big swing and a miss. You seem defensive and unable to grasp any perspective other than whatever is already in your head for some reason. There has been plenty of evidence of Huawei's data gathering.

It sounds like you are also denying uyghur genocide, so I get the feeling this conversation isn't going anywhere. uyghur genocide denial is way further than I thought you'd go, so I think I'll just call it here and wish you well.


So you calling all of China 'wildly nationalistic' and speculating that CCP wants nothing less than to conquer all of Asia is entirely reasonable and based on obvious evidence (it's so obvious that it doesn't even need to be provided, I suppose), whereas my counter-arguments are just worthless anecdotes that are 'not good enough' and clearly 'lack any perspective other than whatever is already in my head.'

Glad we had this talk!
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
September 21 2021 23:03 GMT
#66383
Texas is already looking to follow up on its success in effectively outlawing abortion by making it effectively illegal for children to be trans. It's currently just a bill that was introduced, but I can't imagine a Republican voting against that adds providing or supporting trans healthcare to the part of their legal code that defines child abuse of types such as sexual assault and child pornography, so I'd expect that it becomes law.

This is the relevant section:
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/Text.aspx?LegSess=873&Bill=SB28
(xiv) administering or supplying, or
consenting to or assisting in the administration or supply of, a
puberty suppression prescription drug or cross-sex hormone to a
child, other than an intersex child, for the purpose of gender
transitioning or gender reassignment; or
(xv) performing or consenting to the
performance of surgery or another medical procedure on a child,
other than an intersex child, for the purpose of gender
transitioning or gender reassignment;
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 21 2021 23:30 GMT
#66384
On September 21 2021 16:57 Salazarz wrote:
Think about it for a second. What does China stand to gain from invading Vietnam? Like, literally what would be the point of that? It's just such a dumb idea in 21st century. Call CCP what you want, but they aren't idiots, and they don't do evil shit just for the sake of being evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I don't know, better ask the CCP that one. They aren't idiots for sure, so just why did China invade Vietnam some 40 years ago, curiously as far away from the 21st century as we are currently into it.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15528 Posts
September 22 2021 00:58 GMT
#66385
On September 22 2021 08:03 Kyadytim wrote:
Texas is already looking to follow up on its success in effectively outlawing abortion by making it effectively illegal for children to be trans. It's currently just a bill that was introduced, but I can't imagine a Republican voting against that adds providing or supporting trans healthcare to the part of their legal code that defines child abuse of types such as sexual assault and child pornography, so I'd expect that it becomes law.

This is the relevant section:
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/Text.aspx?LegSess=873&Bill=SB28
Show nested quote +
(xiv) administering or supplying, or
consenting to or assisting in the administration or supply of, a
puberty suppression prescription drug or cross-sex hormone to a
child, other than an intersex child, for the purpose of gender
transitioning or gender reassignment; or
(xv) performing or consenting to the
performance of surgery or another medical procedure on a child,
other than an intersex child, for the purpose of gender
transitioning or gender reassignment;

They're just using Texas as saber rattling for midterms. They will likely also do an immigration thing soon. The two issues that hurt democrats in control of the house/senate are always immigration and abortion. There are a lot of mostly decent people who have extremely hard stances on immigration or abortion.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-22 01:54:47
September 22 2021 01:54 GMT
#66386
On September 22 2021 08:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2021 16:57 Salazarz wrote:
Think about it for a second. What does China stand to gain from invading Vietnam? Like, literally what would be the point of that? It's just such a dumb idea in 21st century. Call CCP what you want, but they aren't idiots, and they don't do evil shit just for the sake of being evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I don't know, better ask the CCP that one. They aren't idiots for sure, so just why did China invade Vietnam some 40 years ago, curiously as far away from the 21st century as we are currently into it.


You do realize that this war was a skirmish that China started (with US' blessing, ironically enough) in response to Vietnam's repressions against their own local minorities and occupation of Cambodia and that China never had any intent of actually occupying any territory or anything of the sort in this war, yes? Like, this is about as far from 'imperialistic, Asia-conquering ambition' as it gets.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7243 Posts
September 22 2021 04:43 GMT
#66387
Given Roe v Wade is going to die pretty soon, when do we collectively decide it’s okay for Democrats to abuse the system against Republicans the same way Republicans abuse the system in general? Feeling pretty bitter about Republicans making off with a third of the Supreme Court like hypocrites and then facing no consequences for it. They seem to just find free wins whenever they can, and Democrats don’t seem to manage to do th same.

Kind of tired of having to pray for Democrat supermajorities to get anything major done.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11452 Posts
September 22 2021 05:45 GMT
#66388
On September 22 2021 13:43 Zambrah wrote:
Given Roe v Wade is going to die pretty soon, when do we collectively decide it’s okay for Democrats to abuse the system against Republicans the same way Republicans abuse the system in general? Feeling pretty bitter about Republicans making off with a third of the Supreme Court like hypocrites and then facing no consequences for it. They seem to just find free wins whenever they can, and Democrats don’t seem to manage to do th same.

Kind of tired of having to pray for Democrat supermajorities to get anything major done.


On this vein (and the texas thing) i have had a thought.

What about abandoning texas? Have as many of the sane people from texas move to some of the smaller red central states. Dunno, build a city somewhere in a rural red state or something. There are millions of sane people in texas, meanwhile some of these smaller states have only a few million people in total. If enough people emigrate from texas to a smaller state, they can basically elect whoever they want there.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7243 Posts
September 22 2021 05:52 GMT
#66389
The problem is the small red states totally suck and have fuck all for real economies, so only a select few can really uproot from Texas to like Montana and what have you. Texas is doing its best to make itself uninhabitable for people coming in from the tech boom theyre experiencing, but I don’t think people will be willing to go to Oklahoma, they’ll likely just go back to California.

It would be smart to all go to Montana though, if you can work from home it’s a cheap low population state that could be impacted legitimately by an influx of wfh tech people from Cali.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 22 2021 12:24 GMT
#66390
--- Nuked ---
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7243 Posts
September 22 2021 12:29 GMT
#66391
For now, but if they keep passing shitty scumbag laws like the abortion bounty hunter shit then its going to drive tech workers/companies away because tech workers aren't going to want to live in that kind of conservative hellhole, they'll head on back to California, or just refuse to get transferred there. Its not an industry thats going to be super beholden to the whims of the employer imo.

With the GOP's flagrant voter suppression I have a hard time imagining a blue Texas, and I'm positive that as it gets technically closer to happening the GOP will do more and more insidious shit to make sure Texas is red forever.

I think its more likely to see work from home drive people to red states in search of cheap cost of living than to see Texas turn blue off of basically Austin.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
September 22 2021 13:19 GMT
#66392
Ya texas is staying red no matter how much in votes blue. We have already seen the blueprint in other states where they just overturn any votes they dont like. Just take all the blue areas like Austin,Housten, San Antono and Dallas and claim your imaginary voter fraud and throw those votes out.

As for the midterms it does not seem that bad. Yes they probably lose the house but they have good odds of keeping the senate. With the GOP playing there old game of refusing to do anything cant get much done anyway so losing the house does not do much.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 22 2021 13:56 GMT
#66393
--- Nuked ---
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7243 Posts
September 22 2021 14:00 GMT
#66394
I see two primary issues with that, 1. is that Democrats wont do anything like that because theyll be afraid of alienating Republicans, 2. it presumes the Supreme Court would do anything.

It assumes the US is in a place where the Republicans have to adhere to any sort of consistency and the Democrats are willing to fight them tooth and nail, unfortunately I dont see the US as in a situation where either of those things are the case.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42439 Posts
September 22 2021 15:17 GMT
#66395
On September 22 2021 22:56 JimmiC wrote:
Could blue states just use the Texas framework for their shit and force the supreme court to destroy it all?

To paraphrase Michelle Obama “when they go low we talk about how shitty that was but never retaliate”.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15528 Posts
September 22 2021 15:24 GMT
#66396
On September 23 2021 00:17 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2021 22:56 JimmiC wrote:
Could blue states just use the Texas framework for their shit and force the supreme court to destroy it all?

To paraphrase Michelle Obama “when they go low we talk about how shitty that was but never retaliate”.

Democrats take pride in being bullied
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-22 15:36:56
September 22 2021 15:33 GMT
#66397
On September 23 2021 00:17 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2021 22:56 JimmiC wrote:
Could blue states just use the Texas framework for their shit and force the supreme court to destroy it all?

To paraphrase Michelle Obama “when they go low we talk about how shitty that was but never retaliate”.


While i agree that is an admirable sentiment its also why we are slipping into a religious sharia state. That idea only works when the other side gives a dam about the rules. As of know those rules only exist for the dems. How far back to dems let the country slip into the middle ages trying to take the high road.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 22 2021 15:51 GMT
#66398
On September 23 2021 00:33 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2021 00:17 KwarK wrote:
On September 22 2021 22:56 JimmiC wrote:
Could blue states just use the Texas framework for their shit and force the supreme court to destroy it all?

To paraphrase Michelle Obama “when they go low we talk about how shitty that was but never retaliate”.


While i agree that is an admirable sentiment its also why we are slipping into a religious sharia state. That idea only works when the other side gives a dam about the rules. As of know those rules only exist for the dems. How far back to dems let the country slip into the middle ages trying to take the high road.

The road to hell is paved on a high horse, or something. As long as Democratic congresspeople are more concerned about looking right and not offending anyone than they are about calling out the wrong thing and doing the right thing, this will continue and Republicans will be able to do whatever they want, even when they lose.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 22 2021 15:59 GMT
#66399
Democrats were certainly willing to play dirty where it matters, like stopping Bernie Sanders from winning the nomination. I can only conclude that they aren't willing to do so for legislation because though they notionally support some of the things they say they do, it isn't actually very high on their priority list.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 22 2021 16:16 GMT
#66400
--- Nuked ---
Prev 1 3318 3319 3320 3321 3322 5026 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #15
TBD vs ArTLIVE!
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
00:00
uThermal 2v2 Circuit: May
Liquipedia
OSC
21:00
Mid Season Playoffs
ArT vs ReBellioN
HonMonO vs Ziomek
Shameless vs LunaSea
MilkiCow vs GgMaChine
Moja vs HiGhDrA
Jumy vs TBD
Demi vs NightPhoenix
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 149
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 1687
Leta 309
TY 277
JulyZerg 117
ToSsGirL 107
Nal_rA 100
Mong 98
Shine 52
GoRush 29
soO 27
[ Show more ]
ivOry 4
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1532
Other Games
C9.Mang01314
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4971
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 62
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH322
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota233
League of Legends
• Stunt655
• HappyZerGling148
Other Games
• Scarra1623
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
3h 56m
HiGhDrA vs Nicoract
MaNa vs HiGhDrA
HiGhDrA vs Reynor
Nicoract vs Reynor
MaNa vs Nicoract
MaNa vs Reynor
MaxPax vs Spirit
Krystianer vs Spirit
OSC
5h 56m
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
11h 56m
Korean StarCraft League
19h 56m
SOOP
1d 1h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 2h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
Cheesadelphia
1d 7h
CSO Cup
1d 9h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 10h
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
[ Show More ]
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.