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"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
In fact, I’m listening to John Bolton give a live radio interview on the HRC. They’re pulling our share of funding too. I’m sure it will get reposted on YouTube or something later.
Used by human rights abusers against US and Israel, check. Then he addresses the larger trend of supranational organizations and what they do and how they interact with autonomy and the constitution in general. I haven’t read Haley’s statement yet, but it’s probably in the same vein.
Richard Painter, Democratic candidate for Senate in Minnesota and big time anti-Trump activist, just put out his first campaign ad. This is the primary campaign. The seat was vacated by Al Franken after his sexual harassment scandal. He isn’t racking up the endorsements, but he’s certainly made a memorable ad.
I always wondered what happened to that guy after third rock from the sun went off the air.
I've read so many references to Richard Painter saying things in the last year but I never knew this is how he talks. This changes everything. Is this an actual accent or does he just have a remarkable voice?
On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote: "We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump.
The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill.
On June 20 2018 07:31 Danglars wrote: In fact, I’m listening to John Bolton give a live radio interview on the HRC. They’re pulling our share of funding too. I’m sure it will get reposted on YouTube or something later.
Used by human rights abusers against US and Israel, check. Then he addresses the larger trend of supranational organizations and what they do and how they interact with autonomy and the constitution in general. I haven’t read Haley’s statement yet, but it’s probably in the same vein.
The US and Israel are themselves human rights abusers. This doesn't invalidate his point at all, but its certainly worth pointing out.
Frankly, no international organization like this will be perfect, often they will have connections to terrible people, abusive governments and corrupt politicians. That doesn't mean we should all give up on trying to work together. Its a mistake to see this as anything but a childish tantrum after it was pointed out repeatedly that Israel is breaking international law and the US is directly encouraging their crimes.
I think these children concentrations camps will be the worst thing trump does. Its the confluence of incompetence misunderstanding basic concepts and an attempt to create issues to solve.
I mean you have taikei saying "well at least in the Japanese internment camps I wasn't seperated from my parents". This is really a product of writers writing the worst things a presidency could do and throwing it away because no one would belive it was possible.
And this isn't going to go away. Trump won't take one of the obvious outs and the last things his supports say about him is that hes clever. This is the knife in the dick he cant survive.
I trust cbc to be more of a neutral party than anyone in the states, and I hope most of you guys do as well. Where the large majority of the disagreement comes:
A CBS News poll found that 67 per cent fundamentally disagree with the White House's "zero tolerance" drive that has seen more than 2,300 kids taken from their mothers and fathers and held, often inside chain-link pens, at detention centres along the Mexican frontier.
Although it is Democrats (90 per cent opposed) and independents (66 per cent against) who are most outraged. Republicans are less outraged, with 39 per cent calling the policy unacceptable and almost 20 per cent saying they are still making up their minds.
I find it pretty incredible that a significant portion of Republicans think this is an acceptable practice.
It's an heavily one-sided issue for Democrats, and fairly one-sided for independents. Republicans are split approximately evenly on it.
There's no winning on this for Trump. It's straight up an awful decision, holding kids hostage to try and get a policy win.
You really shouldn't be surprised, they've always been like that, it'll only matter once they start losing polls/elections. But isn't that old Dr. Seuss cartoon crazy?
On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote: "We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
On June 20 2018 08:01 Sermokala wrote: I think these children concentrations camps will be the worst thing trump does. Its the confluence of incompetence misunderstanding basic concepts and an attempt to create issues to solve.
I mean you have taikei saying "well at least in the Japanese internment camps I wasn't seperated from my parents". This is really a product of writers writing the worst things a presidency could do and throwing it away because no one would belive it was possible.
And this isn't going to go away. Trump won't take one of the obvious outs and the last things his supports say about him is that hes clever. This is the knife in the dick he cant survive.
lol. I'm not as optimistic as you it seems. I very much hope that this is the worst thing trump does but I highly doubt it will be. Even in this thread we can already see the usual suspects defending it by saying "but obama!" or "but democrats fault!"
I trust cbc to be more of a neutral party than anyone in the states, and I hope most of you guys do as well. Where the large majority of the disagreement comes:
A CBS News poll found that 67 per cent fundamentally disagree with the White House's "zero tolerance" drive that has seen more than 2,300 kids taken from their mothers and fathers and held, often inside chain-link pens, at detention centres along the Mexican frontier.
Although it is Democrats (90 per cent opposed) and independents (66 per cent against) who are most outraged. Republicans are less outraged, with 39 per cent calling the policy unacceptable and almost 20 per cent saying they are still making up their minds.
I find it pretty incredible that a significant portion of Republicans think this is an acceptable practice.
It's an heavily one-sided issue for Democrats, and fairly one-sided for independents. Republicans are split approximately evenly on it.
There's no winning on this for Trump. It's straight up an awful decision, holding kids hostage to try and get a policy win.
You really shouldn't be surprised, they've always been like that, it'll only matter once they start losing polls/elections. But isn't that old Dr. Seuss cartoon crazy?
This has probably been posted before, but it dovetails so nicely with the Dr's comic.
I trust cbc to be more of a neutral party than anyone in the states, and I hope most of you guys do as well. Where the large majority of the disagreement comes:
A CBS News poll found that 67 per cent fundamentally disagree with the White House's "zero tolerance" drive that has seen more than 2,300 kids taken from their mothers and fathers and held, often inside chain-link pens, at detention centres along the Mexican frontier.
Although it is Democrats (90 per cent opposed) and independents (66 per cent against) who are most outraged. Republicans are less outraged, with 39 per cent calling the policy unacceptable and almost 20 per cent saying they are still making up their minds.
I find it pretty incredible that a significant portion of Republicans think this is an acceptable practice.
It's an heavily one-sided issue for Democrats, and fairly one-sided for independents. Republicans are split approximately evenly on it.
There's no winning on this for Trump. It's straight up an awful decision, holding kids hostage to try and get a policy win.
You really shouldn't be surprised, they've always been like that, it'll only matter once they start losing polls/elections. But isn't that old Dr. Seuss cartoon crazy?
On June 20 2018 08:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: I swear, I'm seeing this in my social media lately from the republicans.
"If trump is impeached, pence becomes president, pardons trump, hires trump as VP, quits presidency, Trump becomes president again, Liberals head explode"
So we're at a point where obvious corruption is allowed by the right.
Then Pence is gone and if the Democrats have the Senate, then Pelosi becomes POTUS...
I think you mean House. But yes. Impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding. Trump could be re-impeached for the same reasons he was impeached the first time.
I trust cbc to be more of a neutral party than anyone in the states, and I hope most of you guys do as well. Where the large majority of the disagreement comes:
A CBS News poll found that 67 per cent fundamentally disagree with the White House's "zero tolerance" drive that has seen more than 2,300 kids taken from their mothers and fathers and held, often inside chain-link pens, at detention centres along the Mexican frontier.
Although it is Democrats (90 per cent opposed) and independents (66 per cent against) who are most outraged. Republicans are less outraged, with 39 per cent calling the policy unacceptable and almost 20 per cent saying they are still making up their minds.
I find it pretty incredible that a significant portion of Republicans think this is an acceptable practice.
It's an heavily one-sided issue for Democrats, and fairly one-sided for independents. Republicans are split approximately evenly on it.
There's no winning on this for Trump. It's straight up an awful decision, holding kids hostage to try and get a policy win.
To add a little more depth to that data, a different poll (that unfortunately ended before this kids in cages issue), found that the real support in the Republican party is among people who backed Trump in the primary, who 68 to 23 answered that they approve or strongly approve when asked "Do you approve or disapprove of separating families from each other, including minor children, when the adults are arrested for crossing the border into the United States without proper documentation?"
Other voters in the GOP primary only approved 50 to 42.
So basically, Trump's core, original base is thoroughly okay with children being locked up in these facilities, and therefore, he's probably going to stick this out because he'll be getting strong positive feedback from the only demographic he cares about the opinions of.
EDIT: For reference, the poll was conducted June 3rd through June 5th.
On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote: "We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump.
The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill.
If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this."
And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it.
On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote: "We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump.
The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill.
If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this."
And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it.
This reeks.
Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point).
On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote: "We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump.
The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill.
If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this."
And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it.
This reeks.
Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now?
This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here.
On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote: "We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing.
Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump.
The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill.
If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this."
And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it.
This reeks.
Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now?
This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here.
The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people.
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