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On June 20 2018 07:44 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 07:01 JimmiC wrote:On June 19 2018 23:47 Danglars wrote:
Richard Painter, Democratic candidate for Senate in Minnesota and big time anti-Trump activist, just put out his first campaign ad. This is the primary campaign. The seat was vacated by Al Franken after his sexual harassment scandal. He isn’t racking up the endorsements, but he’s certainly made a memorable ad. I always wondered what happened to that guy after third rock from the sun went off the air. https://goo.gl/images/5XW73L I've read so many references to Richard Painter saying things in the last year but I never knew this is how he talks. This changes everything. Is this an actual accent or does he just have a remarkable voice?
99% sure he had a stroke. He speaks from one side of his mouth and only really blinks one eye.
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On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people.
Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG?
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On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people.
How many pages are you going to go on pretending the facts fit your narrative? Does it matter that you have no facts to back up your assertions? The facts are out there. This crisis started with with he Sessions zero tolerance policy.
The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous people. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.
Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, those who posed a national security risk and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies as well as misdemeanors.
Then, in April 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled out the zero-tolerance policy.
The doublespeak coming from Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence. Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.
This includes illegal-entry misdemeanors, which are being prosecuted at a rate not seen in previous administrations. Because the act of crossing itself is now being treated as an offense worthy of prosecution, any family that enters the United States illegally is likely to end up separated. Nielsen may choose not to call this a “family separation policy,” but that’s precisely the effect it has.
Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested that the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.
The Trump administration owns this family-separation policy, and its spin deserves Four Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?utm_term=.2a86bf8434f4
EDIT: here is the memo.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download
EDIT2: here is Sessions (or an underling, maybe) defending the policy on record, with specific reference to family separation.
"I have put in place a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry on our southwest border," Sessions said then. "If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It's that simple.
"If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law."
He echoed that theme in his remarks to the earlier this week, telling the National Sheriffs' Association and said the administration would not retreat.
" "We cannot and will not encourage people to bring children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws," he said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/19/ag-jeff-sessions-trumps-unwavering-voice-zero-tolerance/714035002/
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On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG?
The Democrats are complicit creating the conditions by which, in seemingly a few months, the state can descend into fascism.
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On June 20 2018 09:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. How many pages are you going to go on pretending the facts fit your narrative? Does it matter that you have no facts to back up your assertions? The facts are out there. This crisis started with with he Sessions zero tolerance policy. Show nested quote +
The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous people. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.
Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, those who posed a national security risk and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies as well as misdemeanors.
Then, in April 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled out the zero-tolerance policy.
Show nested quote +
The doublespeak coming from Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence. Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.
This includes illegal-entry misdemeanors, which are being prosecuted at a rate not seen in previous administrations. Because the act of crossing itself is now being treated as an offense worthy of prosecution, any family that enters the United States illegally is likely to end up separated. Nielsen may choose not to call this a “family separation policy,” but that’s precisely the effect it has.
Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested that the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.
The Trump administration owns this family-separation policy, and its spin deserves Four Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?utm_term=.2a86bf8434f4EDIT: here is the memo. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download
That doesn't even address, let alone refute what I said.
On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG?
Are you even reading what you're responding to?
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On June 20 2018 09:34 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG? The Democrats are complicit creating the conditions by which, in seemingly a few months, the state can descend into fascism.
So are the rest of Americans, including myself. So are the republicans. So are the progressives. Reviewing ones own accountability is important, but will never solve the problem at hand.
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On June 20 2018 09:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:34 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG? The Democrats are complicit creating the conditions by which, in seemingly a few months, the state can descend into fascism. So are the rest of Americans, including myself. So are the republicans. So are the progressives. Reviewing ones own accountability is important, but will never solve the problem at hand.
I feel like the parallels between police and ICE are genuinely lost on most people here. Abolishing ICE is much less radical and I'd wager there would be plenty of liberal pushback from that if Kamala Harris is a reasonable gauge.
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On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point).
On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here.
After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps."
"Trump is a lawless fascist."
also
"Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up."
This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot.
Edit: As for the Democrat bill, read this. I know it's the federalist, but like you say about Vox, it's not the publication it's the author.
edit2: I would like to highlight again how the fact that the Democrats had their own bill undermines Schumer's current position.
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On June 20 2018 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. How many pages are you going to go on pretending the facts fit your narrative? Does it matter that you have no facts to back up your assertions? The facts are out there. This crisis started with with he Sessions zero tolerance policy.
The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous people. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.
Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, those who posed a national security risk and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies as well as misdemeanors.
Then, in April 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled out the zero-tolerance policy.
The doublespeak coming from Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence. Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.
This includes illegal-entry misdemeanors, which are being prosecuted at a rate not seen in previous administrations. Because the act of crossing itself is now being treated as an offense worthy of prosecution, any family that enters the United States illegally is likely to end up separated. Nielsen may choose not to call this a “family separation policy,” but that’s precisely the effect it has.
Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested that the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.
The Trump administration owns this family-separation policy, and its spin deserves Four Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?utm_term=.2a86bf8434f4EDIT: here is the memo. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download That doesn't even address, let alone refute what I said. Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG? Are you even reading what you're responding to?
One of the camps was built recently on the boarder of Texas. Another one is a abandoned and repurposed Walmart. Some are dention facilities built before 2016 with state and federal money.
Trump and Sessions filled them with children taken from their parents. They are the ones that have created the policy that detained 50k people. The existence of the buildings did not invite this crisis. And if those buildings did not exist, the administration would find others.
This is the fault of the current administration.
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On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up."
Where did you even pull this from? Republicans made the mess, democrats are trying to clean it up.
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On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot.
Maybe if Mitch let them write the bill or have some sort of input, he might get someplace. But that isn’t what is happening. The bill is going to be tailored to meet Republican concerns and then given to democrats to make up the remaining votes. Senators don’t often vote for legislation they can’t help write.
And again, there is a much quicker solution available.
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On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot.
I'm partisan in the sense I think both Republicans and Democrats are awful, but the former are actively supporting a man that is a fascist. I don't think he's competent enough to be a dictator in waiting, but if you look at the way his administration treats the dispossessed he is undoubtedly a fascist. The kids being kept in cages is heart breaking, but co operating with Ted Cruz on legislation only solves a specific short term problem while engendering a lot of good will for a Republican Party that is semi-uncomfortable with being fascistic right now, and thus wants to return back to good old facist-enabling conservatism.
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On June 20 2018 09:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:41 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:34 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG? The Democrats are complicit creating the conditions by which, in seemingly a few months, the state can descend into fascism. So are the rest of Americans, including myself. So are the republicans. So are the progressives. Reviewing ones own accountability is important, but will never solve the problem at hand. I feel like the parallels between police and ICE are genuinely lost on most people here. Abolishing ICE is much less radical and I'd wager there would be plenty of liberal pushback from that if Kamala Harris is a reasonable gauge.
You will get no arguments from me. ICE needs to go. But that is a high risk move and the public support isn’t there yet.
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On June 20 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. How many pages are you going to go on pretending the facts fit your narrative? Does it matter that you have no facts to back up your assertions? The facts are out there. This crisis started with with he Sessions zero tolerance policy.
The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous people. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.
Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, those who posed a national security risk and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies as well as misdemeanors.
Then, in April 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled out the zero-tolerance policy.
The doublespeak coming from Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence. Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.
This includes illegal-entry misdemeanors, which are being prosecuted at a rate not seen in previous administrations. Because the act of crossing itself is now being treated as an offense worthy of prosecution, any family that enters the United States illegally is likely to end up separated. Nielsen may choose not to call this a “family separation policy,” but that’s precisely the effect it has.
Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested that the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.
The Trump administration owns this family-separation policy, and its spin deserves Four Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?utm_term=.2a86bf8434f4EDIT: here is the memo. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download That doesn't even address, let alone refute what I said. On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG? Are you even reading what you're responding to? One of the camps was built recently on the boarder of Texas. Another one is a abandoned and repurposed Walmart. Some are dention facilities built before 2016 with state and federal money. Trump and Sessions filled them with children taken from their parents. They are the ones that have created the policy that detained 50k people. The existence of the buildings did not invite this crisis. And if those buildings did not exist, the administration would find others. This is the fault of the current administration.
One of the camps was built recently on the boarder of Texas
Yeah...
You won't see me argue that Trump hasn't made the whole thing worse than it was but this is so far from specifically his fault it's hard for me to wrap my mind around the incredibly narrow perspective it takes to even suggest it,despite your recent admission to the complacency you're effectively defending now.
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On June 20 2018 09:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. Maybe if Mitch let them write the bill or have some sort of input, he might get someplace. But that isn’t what is happening. The bill is going to be tailored to meet Republican concerns and then given to democrats to make up the remaining votes. Senators don’t often vote for legislation they can’t help write. And again, there is a much quicker solution available.
Schumer dismissed it out of hand. He said they want to "keep the focus" on Trump. Doesn't think they should have to have legislation, after introducing their own.
“There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.”
And be sure to see my edit about their plan.
On June 20 2018 09:53 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. I'm partisan in the sense I think both Republicans and Democrats are awful, but the former are actively supporting a man that is a fascist. I don't think he's competent enough to be a dictator in waiting, but if you look at the way his administration treats the dispossessed he is undoubtedly a fascist. The kids being kept in cages is heart breaking, but co operating with Ted Cruz on legislation only solves a specific short term problem while engendering a lot of good will for a Republican Party that is semi-uncomfortable with being fascistic right now, and thus wants to return back to good old facist-enabling conservatism.
This is a pretty remarkable statement. Anyone else care to endorse this position? (Stop me if I sound anymore like GH).
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On June 20 2018 09:58 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:53 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. Maybe if Mitch let them write the bill or have some sort of input, he might get someplace. But that isn’t what is happening. The bill is going to be tailored to meet Republican concerns and then given to democrats to make up the remaining votes. Senators don’t often vote for legislation they can’t help write. And again, there is a much quicker solution available. Schumer dismissed it out of hand. He said they want to "keep the focus" on Trump. Doesn't think they should have to have legislation, after introducing their own. Show nested quote + “There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.” And be sure to see my edit about their plan. Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:53 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. I'm partisan in the sense I think both Republicans and Democrats are awful, but the former are actively supporting a man that is a fascist. I don't think he's competent enough to be a dictator in waiting, but if you look at the way his administration treats the dispossessed he is undoubtedly a fascist. The kids being kept in cages is heart breaking, but co operating with Ted Cruz on legislation only solves a specific short term problem while engendering a lot of good will for a Republican Party that is semi-uncomfortable with being fascistic right now, and thus wants to return back to good old facist-enabling conservatism. This is a pretty remarkable statement. Anyone else care to endorse this position? (Stop me if I sound anymore like GH).
Bruh, it is an executive branch policy (see zero-tolerance policy linked in detail above) that is creating the crisis. This is not a matter for legislative branch fixes. Schumer rightly wants the executive branch situation fixed first, then legislative branch solutions pursued. A hastily written bill by the legislative branch won't undo the Trump/Sessions zero-tolerance policy. BUT DEMOCRATS ARE JUST AS BAD won't transmute Jeff Sessions into Eric Holder. You get the difference between executive and legislative branches, right?
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On June 20 2018 10:01 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:58 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:53 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. Maybe if Mitch let them write the bill or have some sort of input, he might get someplace. But that isn’t what is happening. The bill is going to be tailored to meet Republican concerns and then given to democrats to make up the remaining votes. Senators don’t often vote for legislation they can’t help write. And again, there is a much quicker solution available. Schumer dismissed it out of hand. He said they want to "keep the focus" on Trump. Doesn't think they should have to have legislation, after introducing their own. “There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.” And be sure to see my edit about their plan. On June 20 2018 09:53 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. I'm partisan in the sense I think both Republicans and Democrats are awful, but the former are actively supporting a man that is a fascist. I don't think he's competent enough to be a dictator in waiting, but if you look at the way his administration treats the dispossessed he is undoubtedly a fascist. The kids being kept in cages is heart breaking, but co operating with Ted Cruz on legislation only solves a specific short term problem while engendering a lot of good will for a Republican Party that is semi-uncomfortable with being fascistic right now, and thus wants to return back to good old facist-enabling conservatism. This is a pretty remarkable statement. Anyone else care to endorse this position? (Stop me if I sound anymore like GH). Bruh, it is an executive branch policy (see zero-tolerance policy linked in detail above) that is creating the crisis. This is not a matter for legislative branch fixes. Schumer rightly wants the executive branch situation fixed first, then legislative branch solutions pursued. A hastily written bill by the legislative branch won't undo the Trump/Sessions zero-tolerance policy. BUT DEMOCRATS ARE JUST AS BAD won't transmute Jeff Sessions into Eric Holder. You get the difference between executive and legislative branches, right?
As long as the hysteria dies, so long as we hear no more talk of fascism and "concentration camps" ...then sure. But you do know that the legislative branch has the power to stop this crime against humanity? I must have misjudged how important this was to the left! Nevermind everyone!
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On June 20 2018 09:58 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:53 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. Maybe if Mitch let them write the bill or have some sort of input, he might get someplace. But that isn’t what is happening. The bill is going to be tailored to meet Republican concerns and then given to democrats to make up the remaining votes. Senators don’t often vote for legislation they can’t help write. And again, there is a much quicker solution available. Schumer dismissed it out of hand. He said they want to "keep the focus" on Trump. Doesn't think they should have to have legislation, after introducing their own. Show nested quote + “There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.” And be sure to see my edit about their plan. Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:53 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. I'm partisan in the sense I think both Republicans and Democrats are awful, but the former are actively supporting a man that is a fascist. I don't think he's competent enough to be a dictator in waiting, but if you look at the way his administration treats the dispossessed he is undoubtedly a fascist. The kids being kept in cages is heart breaking, but co operating with Ted Cruz on legislation only solves a specific short term problem while engendering a lot of good will for a Republican Party that is semi-uncomfortable with being fascistic right now, and thus wants to return back to good old facist-enabling conservatism. This is a pretty remarkable statement. Anyone else care to endorse this position? (Stop me if I sound anymore like GH).
Kids in cages is a terrifying symptom of American regression - Trump is the ugly figurehead and Thomas Homan the Himmler - but a piece of legislation will do literally nothing to solve the underlying illness. The Democrats should absolutely and entirely resist any temptation to attempt compromise out of nostalgic longing for a bygone era of bipartisan friendliness, or out of electoral calculation. I really struggle to see how you can judge the reaction to this as hysteria, unless you are ultimately one of the level-headed, moderate centrist classically liberal Americans who will insist that the boat's unsinkable even though the iceberg has been hit.
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On June 20 2018 09:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. How many pages are you going to go on pretending the facts fit your narrative? Does it matter that you have no facts to back up your assertions? The facts are out there. This crisis started with with he Sessions zero tolerance policy.
The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous people. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.
Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, those who posed a national security risk and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies as well as misdemeanors.
Then, in April 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled out the zero-tolerance policy.
The doublespeak coming from Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence. Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.
This includes illegal-entry misdemeanors, which are being prosecuted at a rate not seen in previous administrations. Because the act of crossing itself is now being treated as an offense worthy of prosecution, any family that enters the United States illegally is likely to end up separated. Nielsen may choose not to call this a “family separation policy,” but that’s precisely the effect it has.
Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested that the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.
The Trump administration owns this family-separation policy, and its spin deserves Four Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?utm_term=.2a86bf8434f4EDIT: here is the memo. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download That doesn't even address, let alone refute what I said. On June 20 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. The majority of the facilities we've seen and he's using were used during the Obama administration. I mean I get the political advantage of trying to push this onto Trump/Republicans but it reminds me of the House singing in celebration when Republicans won a vote to take away healthcare from millions of people. Obama was in office in April, 2018? Jeff Sessions was his AG? Are you even reading what you're responding to? One of the camps was built recently on the boarder of Texas. Another one is a abandoned and repurposed Walmart. Some are dention facilities built before 2016 with state and federal money. Trump and Sessions filled them with children taken from their parents. They are the ones that have created the policy that detained 50k people. The existence of the buildings did not invite this crisis. And if those buildings did not exist, the administration would find others. This is the fault of the current administration. Yeah... You won't see me argue that Trump hasn't made the whole thing worse than it was but this is so far from specifically his fault it's hard for me to wrap my mind around the incredibly narrow perspective it takes to even suggest it,despite your recent admission to the complacency you're effectively defending now.
Because pointing fingers at who was more or less complicate is a waste of time. All it does is make the people that might work with me defensive and less likely to help. I’ll focus on my own complicity and leave everyone else to their own bullshit.
Prisons and detention facilities are going to be built, with or without my approval or condemnation. I prefer to focus my efforts in how people are treated when they end up there and on things like criminal justice reform.
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On June 20 2018 10:04 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2018 10:01 Wulfey_LA wrote:On June 20 2018 09:58 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:53 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. Maybe if Mitch let them write the bill or have some sort of input, he might get someplace. But that isn’t what is happening. The bill is going to be tailored to meet Republican concerns and then given to democrats to make up the remaining votes. Senators don’t often vote for legislation they can’t help write. And again, there is a much quicker solution available. Schumer dismissed it out of hand. He said they want to "keep the focus" on Trump. Doesn't think they should have to have legislation, after introducing their own. “There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.” And be sure to see my edit about their plan. On June 20 2018 09:53 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:48 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 09:17 kollin wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Republicans supported Trump, despite it being evidently clear that he was fascistic. Democrats should not appease them in any way - the whole party deserves to burn for this (not that the Democrats should have a remotely clean conscience either but that's beside the point). On June 20 2018 09:17 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 09:08 Introvert wrote:On June 20 2018 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2018 07:29 Introvert wrote:"We want to keep the focus on Trump" is precisely the Dem strategy, nice to see them say it. He just rejects everything out of hand, amazing. Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.
"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer told reporters. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it."
Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.
"Again, the president can change it with his pen," he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor. rest here (in a hurry) http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis I feel like this article is blaming the democrats for have a strategy to deal with a crisis they had no hand in making and warned against. The Republicans has in congress want the focus on democrats, and the democrats are not interested in cleaning up after Trump. The democrats had put forth a bill they all supported to stop this. Mitch decided to ignore that bill and have the republicans draft their own. And from what I hear, the democrats didn’t get a say on the language in the bill. If we literally have concentration camps on the border, then isn't the overriding concern the children? Is this not the entirely of the Democrat talking points? Ask for the GOP to stand up to Trump, some might actually do so, Senate Democrats say "nah, Trump should handle this." And finally, we have the fact that a week or so ago the Democrats proposed their own bill on this topic, like you. Now it was a bad one, rushed out for PR. But every Senate dem signed on to it. Now they're like "We're out." They've dismissed anything else without even seeing it. This reeks. Who built the concentration camps? Is he in office? Can he veto whatever bill the Republicans are putting right now? This is Trumps problem to fix. Congress can do it, but the democrats are willing to be the problem solvers here. After weeks of calling Congress cowards (on things like tariffs) we have an issue where a large part of Congress might actually get involved and now it's "you guys should own it." Might I suggest that if this is your position, you don't actually think Trump is a fascistic dictator-in-waiting. It also calls into question the sincerity of the concern for those suffering in "concentration camps." "Trump is a lawless fascist." also "Congress should do nothing, Republicans made this mess they should clean it up." This is one of the more raw and open displays of partisanship recently, and that's saying a lot. I'm partisan in the sense I think both Republicans and Democrats are awful, but the former are actively supporting a man that is a fascist. I don't think he's competent enough to be a dictator in waiting, but if you look at the way his administration treats the dispossessed he is undoubtedly a fascist. The kids being kept in cages is heart breaking, but co operating with Ted Cruz on legislation only solves a specific short term problem while engendering a lot of good will for a Republican Party that is semi-uncomfortable with being fascistic right now, and thus wants to return back to good old facist-enabling conservatism. This is a pretty remarkable statement. Anyone else care to endorse this position? (Stop me if I sound anymore like GH). Bruh, it is an executive branch policy (see zero-tolerance policy linked in detail above) that is creating the crisis. This is not a matter for legislative branch fixes. Schumer rightly wants the executive branch situation fixed first, then legislative branch solutions pursued. A hastily written bill by the legislative branch won't undo the Trump/Sessions zero-tolerance policy. BUT DEMOCRATS ARE JUST AS BAD won't transmute Jeff Sessions into Eric Holder. You get the difference between executive and legislative branches, right? As long as the hysteria dies, so long as we hear no more talk of fascism and "concentration camps" ...then sure. But you do know that the legislative branch has the power to stop this crime against humanity? I must have misjudged how important this was to the left! Nevermind everyone!
So you agree to the reality that this is an executive branch policy that is creating the crisis? Do you accept this reality? Read the words of the administration I quoted above and have linked again below if you are confused.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/19/ag-jeff-sessions-trumps-unwavering-voice-zero-tolerance/714035002/
EDIT: for completeness, any assertions that this policy is okay because THE LEFT IS TOO HYSTERICAL are invalid. No amount of hollywood people being too triggering for your sensibilities will make putting kids in cages okay. No amount of alleged hypocrisy somewhere, someway, somehow, will make the actions of the present administration okay. What Jeff/DJT/ICE are doing is immoral on its own, no matter how good, bad, or ridiculous any of THE LEFT are.
EDIT2: for what it is worth, I read the federalist piece. http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/ . It talks about this bill. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036/text?q={"search":["S.3036"]}&r=1
The criticism of the bill is that it is overbroad in how it defines AGENT and CHILD. AGENT could include FBI agents and child could make it hard for FBI agents to put a drug dealer away if the drug dealer has their kid with them. This a surmountable problem with some minor language tweaks. The federalist piece is making a mountain out of a molehill. The basics of the dem law are a great start for preventing future administrations from enacting Jeff/DJT zero tolerance policies. However, even passing such a law does not make an executive branch that would follow it. Let's see DJT roll back his evil policies first, then let's talk putting legislative straightjackets onto him.
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