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Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
yeah, same, just got a (small) pay raise myself with this new union contract. 60-80% of trade in this country is on the local level & as a matter of fact does not travel out of state. Food, water, construction supplies & services, gas is sold locally or I guess regionally (oil fields in north dakota, manitoba, etc). 70% of cars sold in the US are produced in the US. I guess i'm probably aware that a lot of trade goes on internationally between countries in other parts of the world, but at least in the states there is a bit of a bubble effect where there is a lot of internal transactions but not as many external transactions. I'm aware that people make a bit "to-do" about the international trade talks on an international level, but I'm just trying to inject some levity into the discourse here.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck.
And you are certain that it didn't just increase yearly to keep up with the nation average of that job type, which would have happened regardless? The way you explain it, it seems like you don't know how much of your salary actually goes to taxes (which is weird), and it just looking at what comes in to your bank account instead of your payslip. If you had, you would have easily been able to say "I used to pay X in taxes now I pay Y off of the same salary", instead of this "I did nothing different I swear!"
This reaction from a white house adviser on yesterdays events is disgusting to watch. Pure gaslighting. Trudeau saying in a speech that his country is reacting to tariffs (made by the US!) and is not willing to be pushed around, now gives him a 'special place in hell' and is a 'stab in the back' an 'attack on our political system' according to mister Navarro. It's unacceptable that they get away with this type of truth spinning. The downhill slope on which the US is gliding is getting steeper and steeper and it's really scary.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Yeah, well, I doubt it will go that way. Trudeau keeps talking about how insulted we all are for being called a national threat. Maybe we are; maybe we aren't, but that's not persuasive. The only thing persuasive is to demonstrate that these tariffs mostly hurt American manufacturers and consumers. Trump doesn't strike me as the sort of person who much cares what any country thinks of him. Mind tricks don't work on him, only money.
I'm glad that Trudeau is sticking with it rather than bending over. The statements made by Trump's advisor are freaking ridiculous and stupid as hell. They actually expect Canada to just take the tariffs and be quiet? Won't happen.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck.
And you are certain that it didn't just increase yearly to keep up with the nation average of that job type, which would have happened regardless? The way you explain it, it seems like you don't know how much of your salary actually goes to taxes (which is weird), and it just looking at what comes in to your bank account instead of your payslip. If you had, you would have easily been able to say "I used to pay X in taxes now I pay Y off of the same salary", instead of this "I did nothing different I swear!"
His take home pay increase is fairly typical of the results of the tax cut signed by Trump.
It’s also extremely common to look only at the value of the check (and any changes) and not how much was withheld for taxes here in America. It may sound weird to foreigners but it’s pretty standard here, particularly in working class jobs.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck.
And you are certain that it didn't just increase yearly to keep up with the nation average of that job type, which would have happened regardless? The way you explain it, it seems like you don't know how much of your salary actually goes to taxes (which is weird), and it just looking at what comes in to your bank account instead of your payslip. If you had, you would have easily been able to say "I used to pay X in taxes now I pay Y off of the same salary", instead of this "I did nothing different I swear!"
His take home pay increase is fairly typical of the results of the tax cut signed by Trump.
It’s also extremely common to look only at the value of the check (and any changes) and not how much was withheld for taxes here in America. It may sound weird to foreigners but it’s pretty standard here, particularly in working class jobs.
God forbid we have a class of workers capable and interested in understanding just how bad they are getting hosed. Literally a multi-billion dollar industry built around the idea that people don't understand the most basic relationship between their wages and their taxes.
On June 11 2018 03:59 BigFan wrote: I'm glad that Trudeau is sticking with it rather than bending over. The statements made by Trump's advisor are freaking ridiculous and stupid as hell. They actually expect Canada to just take the tariffs and be quiet? Won't happen.
Sure. But what difference does it make if it still goes through with injured protestation? To play to win, he needs to be persuasive, using arguments that Trump actually cares about. The tit for tat tariffs is fine as the stick, but any 'this is bad for Canada' will fall on deaf ears. "This is bad for America and here's why" still might not work, but has a better chance of succeeding because it's the only criteria for trade deals that Trump cares about.
On June 11 2018 04:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Don't your pay slips in USA contain the details of your pay including pay deducted as tax? Mind blown.
No, because the US doesn't have a working tax system. In the US you tell your employer how much of your paycheck you would like them to give to the government to offset your tax obligation. It's actually up to you as an individual. Some people say too much and end up getting a big refund back the following year, while some people fuck it up and discover the following year that they owe money. Personally I decide in January how much tax I want to pay that year (because you pretty much can if you're an accountant) and give my employer the exact amount to withhold from each paycheck.
It creates a pretty huge disconnect between the individual and how much tax they actually have to pay. For example Trump's core base don't actually pay any income taxes at all, they simply loan money to the government and then get it back the following April. And yet they genuinely believe their taxes are too high because they don't understand how taxes work.
Trump's tax plan adds a trillion to the deficit over a few years while having no real benefits to the median American who wasn't paying shit in tax anyway. While I'm sure the individual claiming they're getting an additional $100 every paycheck believes it, I sincerely doubt it's true. It'd depend on their situation though, there are a few groups of big winners from the tax plan, notably single people with no dependents who are in good health and don't give to charity (and the rich of course).
On June 11 2018 03:59 BigFan wrote: I'm glad that Trudeau is sticking with it rather than bending over. The statements made by Trump's advisor are freaking ridiculous and stupid as hell. They actually expect Canada to just take the tariffs and be quiet? Won't happen.
Sure. But what difference does it make if it still goes through with injured protestation? To play to win, he needs to be persuasive, using arguments that Trump actually cares about. The tit for tat tariffs is fine as the stick, but any 'this is bad for Canada' will fall on deaf ears. "This is bad for America and here's why" still might not work, but has a better chance of succeeding because it's the only criteria for trade deals that Trump cares about.
He has given up trying to persuade Trump, which is the correct move IMO. This is about making it hurt for congress members so they will reign in Trump or get voted out of office.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck. Also, I'm a she, not a he
Very cool Do you ever worry about some of the important organizations that have been defunded by Trump- agencies which have shown to serve a universal public good for all people- in order for Trump to introduce these tax cuts (which, if I understand correctly, go mostly to rich people who don't need them but have helped you as an individual too)?
On June 11 2018 03:59 BigFan wrote: I'm glad that Trudeau is sticking with it rather than bending over. The statements made by Trump's advisor are freaking ridiculous and stupid as hell. They actually expect Canada to just take the tariffs and be quiet? Won't happen.
Sure. But what difference does it make if it still goes through with injured protestation? To play to win, he needs to be persuasive, using arguments that Trump actually cares about. The tit for tat tariffs is fine as the stick, but any 'this is bad for Canada' will fall on deaf ears. "This is bad for America and here's why" still might not work, but has a better chance of succeeding because it's the only criteria for trade deals that Trump cares about.
He has given up trying to persuade Trump, which is the correct move IMO. This is about making it hurt for congress members so they will reign in Trump or get voted out of office.
Exactly this. Why bother trying to convince Trump when you can just target Congress. There is a reason the counter tariffs tend to specifically target chief exports of states from important congressmen.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck. Also, I'm a she, not a he
Very cool Do you ever worry about some of the important organizations that have been defunded by Trump- agencies which have shown to serve a universal public good for all people- in order for Trump to introduce these tax cuts (which, if I understand correctly, go mostly to rich people who don't need them but have helped you as an individual too)?
She doesn't understand how taxes work. It's not the government taking tax money out of her paycheck, it's her. She's taking $100 less out of her own paycheck and thanking Trump for it.
Her taxes may be lower this year, and it may be that they're lower by $2,600. But that certainly can't be established from her withholding $100 less from each paycheck. You can just do that. She could give HR a W4 tomorrow marked EXEMPT and tell herself that Trump completely ended taxes if she wanted, wouldn't make it true.
If she were to state her filing status, number of dependents, gross income, and above/below the line deductions I could work it out for her though.
On June 11 2018 04:22 KwarK wrote: As always, AMA about taxes in the US and the specifics of what the Trump tax plan actually changed, how it worked before, and how it works now.
Here's one I never figured out: how is it determined how much they withhold from your paycheck if you never tell them? Is the default just set by the employer? I've never made any decisions I can remember about witholding, but it's possible there was something in all the stuff I signed when I was hired.
On June 11 2018 04:22 KwarK wrote: As always, AMA about taxes in the US and the specifics of what the Trump tax plan actually changed, how it worked before, and how it works now.
Here's one I never figured out: how is it determined how much they withhold from your paycheck if you never tell them? Is the default just set by the employer? I've never made any decisions I can remember about witholding, but it's possible there was something in all the stuff I signed when I was hired.
It's likely that you completed a W4 and forgot about it, but possible they just gave you 0 exemptions by default.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck.
And you are certain that it didn't just increase yearly to keep up with the nation average of that job type, which would have happened regardless? The way you explain it, it seems like you don't know how much of your salary actually goes to taxes (which is weird), and it just looking at what comes in to your bank account instead of your payslip. If you had, you would have easily been able to say "I used to pay X in taxes now I pay Y off of the same salary", instead of this "I did nothing different I swear!"
His take home pay increase is fairly typical of the results of the tax cut signed by Trump.
It’s also extremely common to look only at the value of the check (and any changes) and not how much was withheld for taxes here in America. It may sound weird to foreigners but it’s pretty standard here, particularly in working class jobs.
It is weird. Over here even before getting the pay slip it takes a couple minutes to calculate the gross and net salary for the current month, provided you're sure about how many hours of regular time and overtime you're working in that month and variables like sick days, paid leave or bonuses if applied. I've done that a few times out of curiosity when at a new job or after a raise and it was accurate.
Trump will probably make good on part of his threats. He probably will cut trade ties with at least a small # of countries. If anything just to scare his other trading partners. Canada should attempt to fill the void created by Trump/USA's new isolationist mentality and increase the amount of trading they do with the USA. As next door neighbours its a natural fit.
Canadians need to realize their standard of living is contingent upon Americans buying everything they produce. Their Canadian "pride" needs to go. As Marcellus Wallace said in Pulp Fiction: "Fuck Pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruhFmBrl4GM
if Trudeau can negotiate with this perspective in mind he can create a deal that is good for the average canadian worker and "win" the deal. He may have to absorb a few personal insults along the way. Oh well. Welcome to negotiating a trade deal with a reality TV star.
Trudeau would be wise to listen to you and Marcellus Wallace. Trump may not be the most "politically correct" President we've had, but our economy is booming and my pay check increased this year because of TRUMP!
What's your job? Please explain the causal relationship between Trump and your paycheck's increase.
I am a civil servant that gets paid every 2 weeks. The tax cuts Trump introduced became effective in January of this year. My paycheck increased roughly $100 as a direct result. I did nothing different, no raise, no insurance payment reductions, nothing and I'm seeing $100 more each paycheck. Also, I'm a she, not a he
Very cool Do you ever worry about some of the important organizations that have been defunded by Trump- agencies which have shown to serve a universal public good for all people- in order for Trump to introduce these tax cuts (which, if I understand correctly, go mostly to rich people who don't need them but have helped you as an individual too)?
She doesn't understand how taxes work. It's not the government taking tax money out of her paycheck, it's her. She's taking $100 less out of her own paycheck and thanking Trump for it.
Her taxes may be lower this year, and it may be that they're lower by $2,600. But that certainly can't be established from her withholding $100 less from each paycheck. You can just do that. She could give HR a W4 tomorrow marked EXEMPT and tell herself that Trump completely ended taxes if she wanted, wouldn't make it true.
If she were to state her filing status, number of dependents, gross income, and above/below the line deductions I could work it out for her though.
So you think it is unlikely that she is accurately reporting that her tax burden per paycheck did, indeed, decrease? It doesn't seem that implausible to me.
On June 11 2018 03:59 BigFan wrote: I'm glad that Trudeau is sticking with it rather than bending over. The statements made by Trump's advisor are freaking ridiculous and stupid as hell. They actually expect Canada to just take the tariffs and be quiet? Won't happen.
Sure. But what difference does it make if it still goes through with injured protestation? To play to win, he needs to be persuasive, using arguments that Trump actually cares about. The tit for tat tariffs is fine as the stick, but any 'this is bad for Canada' will fall on deaf ears. "This is bad for America and here's why" still might not work, but has a better chance of succeeding because it's the only criteria for trade deals that Trump cares about.
He has given up trying to persuade Trump, which is the correct move IMO. This is about making it hurt for congress members so they will reign in Trump or get voted out of office.
Exactly this. Why bother trying to convince Trump when you can just target Congress. There is a reason the counter tariffs tend to specifically target chief exports of states from important congressmen.
Yep. Fines & counter-tariffs do work in a sort of system of checks & balances. I think the issue here is that the "do no harm policy" doesn't necessarily seem to impact Trump very much, & the guy is doing a lot more than most presidents try to do. Usually presidents try to show up to the important meetings & let congress sort out the specific details as they see fit, & they will maybe chime in with their point or two of things that they want changed. What's happening here is people are harming Trump, then getting mad when he harms them, & there are these sort of "tit-for-tat" exchanges that occur. It is weird that there is such angst about the president being protectionist. That said, I'm actually in the camp of folks that thinks he is being a little TOO protectionist of local industrial interests & could be a little more "pragmatic-minded."
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Do you ever worry about some of the important organizations that have been defunded by Trump- agencies which have shown to serve a universal public good for all people- in order for Trump to introduce these tax cuts (which, if I understand correctly, go mostly to rich people who don't need them but have helped you as an individual too)? 
