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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 20 2020 19:59 GMT
#55361
Politico is reporting that Biden is considering Kasich or Jeff Flake for his cabinet. I hope it's not true, but I wouldn't be that surprised. It was common at one point to have the occasional opposing party have a member in your cabinet, but Flake is openly worthless and Kasich is too extreme on any position he'd be qualified for.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9241 Posts
October 20 2020 20:16 GMT
#55362
I find it more than a little curious that so far the only big concerted attacks on Biden from Trump's camp have been on the subjects of sexual harassment and nepotism. I would have guessed that those are the two subjects that he would want the media's focus on the least. I can't think of any political campaign in my lifetime with a strategy of "the other guy is almost as bad as me".

If this innovative strategy works and its success proves repeatable, the US will pave the way for what I will provisionally call self-flagellation democracy. I can already picture it, it's 2028 and Ted Cruz is the Republican nominee, he is going on every news station and swearing he is the Zodiac killer, he even took some private tutoring on cryptology to sell it. Back on TL, this time people are admonishing GH for refusing to vote for the greater evil, how dare he refuse to contribute to our suffering, it's the only thing that makes us feel alive anymore.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 20 2020 20:18 GMT
#55363
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22492 Posts
October 20 2020 20:21 GMT
#55364
On October 21 2020 05:16 Dan HH wrote:
I find it more than a little curious that so far the only big concerted attacks on Biden from Trump's camp have been on the subjects of sexual harassment and nepotism. I would have guessed that those are the two subjects that he would want the media's focus on the least. I can't think of any political campaign in my lifetime with a strategy of "the other guy is almost as bad as me".

If this innovative strategy works and its success proves repeatable, the US will pave the way for what I will provisionally call self-flagellation democracy. I can already picture it, it's 2028 and Ted Cruz is the Republican nominee, he is going on every news station and swearing he is the Zodiac killer, he even took some private tutoring on cryptology to sell it. Back on TL, this time people are admonishing GH for refusing to vote for the greater evil, how dare he refuse to contribute to our suffering, it's the only thing that makes us feel alive anymore.
what other avenue of attack is there?
He can't campaign on the swamp, because he is the swamp.
he can't campaign on policies, because no one cares about those.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 20 2020 20:29 GMT
#55365
By that logic he wouldn't campaign on sexual harassment or nepotism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 20 2020 20:40 GMT
#55366
Maybe it's where he is least worse than Biden? Or at least so he thinks?

I recently chatted to someone and they mentioned they were going to write something about the policies under debate in this election and I laughed and laughed and laughed. It was a good time.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
October 20 2020 20:49 GMT
#55367
Hm Trump vs Ted the Zodiac Killer haha, I dunno I might go the latter.

While not agreeing with how he chose to use his talents, I could at least respect his attention to detail, competence and covering his tracks. If channelled that skillet into public service he could be a formidable administration.

Trump not so much, he’s like that kid at school who spins yarns such as his taps/(faucets Americans?) at his house pump out chilled Coca Cola and his uncle is Roger Federer.

The lying is so utterly lacking in artistry that it’s an affront to even try pulling that shit, but even more aggravatingly some of your classmates believe him and tell you you’re just jealous.

(Totally not channelling my childhood)
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 21:04:05
October 20 2020 21:03 GMT
#55368
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22492 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 21:05:52
October 20 2020 21:05 GMT
#55369
Think he mentioned he would actually sign some corona relief if re-elected.

So basically holding it hostage, don't think it worked out how he imagined.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24211 Posts
October 20 2020 21:08 GMT
#55370
On October 21 2020 04:59 Nevuk wrote:
Politico is reporting that Biden is considering Kasich or Jeff Flake for his cabinet. I hope it's not true, but I wouldn't be that surprised. It was common at one point to have the occasional opposing party have a member in your cabinet, but Flake is openly worthless and Kasich is too extreme on any position he'd be qualified for.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972

He's consistently campaigned on working with what the Republican party, so putting someone like Kasich into his administration would be one of the few things that I think we can reasonably expect from him. Putting someone like Flake in a token position would be the 'compromise' PR move imo.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 20 2020 21:12 GMT
#55371
On October 21 2020 06:03 JimmiC wrote:
What has Trump actually promised if elected? All I can think of is that he will confirm a bunch of conservative justices and that he will have a vaccine by the election.

Not only is it crazy to have a nominee with no platform at all, no policies whatsoever, but it has become so normalized that Trump knows nothing and does nothing productive that no one bothers to raise a stink about it.

America, you need to move to some sort of ranked ballot or something, because this is getting ridiculous. You have a heated election between two geriatrics angrily yelling at each other about nothing.

You have people threatening a civil war with each other with no discernible policies at stake. Even abortion is not at stake, since it would require a lot more transformation of the court to overturn RvW. This doesn't just apply to Trump, but Biden too, and whoever else the Republicans or Democrats have waiting in the wings. Your country has a lot of fundamental issues that continue to be ignored.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22492 Posts
October 20 2020 21:15 GMT
#55372
Seems like even Giuliani has given up on the Hunter story. I would have thought he would have tried to keep up appearances a bit longer.



It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 20 2020 21:19 GMT
#55373
On October 21 2020 04:53 Nevuk wrote:
Comey's 2016 announcement also wound up being pure bullshit, so I guess that's a good comparison. The announcement "New emails may have been found" wound up being "absolutely nothing new was found".

He literally told Congress that the case was shut, and he committed to informing them if the case was reopened for any reason. The trove of emails found on Anthony Weiner’s laptop was absolutely reason to investigate. So I have a hard time justifying why you call it bullshit. Comey put himself in a box.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18399 Posts
October 20 2020 21:23 GMT
#55374
On October 21 2020 06:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Seems like even Giuliani has given up on the Hunter story. I would have thought he would have tried to keep up appearances a bit longer.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1318635817892515843


Rudy Giuliani just really wanted his fanfic to be published, can you blame the guy?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 20 2020 21:24 GMT
#55375
On October 21 2020 05:16 Dan HH wrote:
I find it more than a little curious that so far the only big concerted attacks on Biden from Trump's camp have been on the subjects of sexual harassment and nepotism. I would have guessed that those are the two subjects that he would want the media's focus on the least. I can't think of any political campaign in my lifetime with a strategy of "the other guy is almost as bad as me".

If this innovative strategy works and its success proves repeatable, the US will pave the way for what I will provisionally call self-flagellation democracy. I can already picture it, it's 2028 and Ted Cruz is the Republican nominee, he is going on every news station and swearing he is the Zodiac killer, he even took some private tutoring on cryptology to sell it. Back on TL, this time people are admonishing GH for refusing to vote for the greater evil, how dare he refuse to contribute to our suffering, it's the only thing that makes us feel alive anymore.

You must’ve missed the president and VP debates, where the attacks included Biden incapable of restraining his left-wing supporters, unable to commit to norms like not packing the court, and Biden holding big rallies during the time he criticize Trump’s coronavirus response.

Trump stands a very good chance of losing because of his lack of restraint on twitter and the campaign trail. Just don’t forget the other big “concerted” attacks this month and last month, weeks before the election (forget or lie about it that is).
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 20 2020 21:28 GMT
#55376
Remind me how many federal judges Trump appointed ? And why those seats were left vacant by Obama ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24211 Posts
October 20 2020 21:28 GMT
#55377
On October 21 2020 06:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Seems like even Giuliani has given up on the Hunter story. I would have thought he would have tried to keep up appearances a bit longer.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1318635817892515843

I've already dug for more context than I care to for someone like Rudy, but the guy was talking about the censorship on social media and also said:
...the New York Post story which I happened to know is 100 percent accurate,


I can see how it could be read as backtracking. Without listening to the interview itself, just reading the article, I'd surmise it was more of free speech absolutism argument than backing off the story though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 20 2020 21:28 GMT
#55378
On October 21 2020 06:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Seems like even Giuliani has given up on the Hunter story. I would have thought he would have tried to keep up appearances a bit longer.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1318635817892515843



It already served its purpose of taking some of the heat off of Trump's corona virus mishandling.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 21:30:58
October 20 2020 21:30 GMT
#55379
On October 21 2020 06:28 Erasme wrote:
Remind me how many federal judges Trump appointed ? And why those seats were left vacant by Obama ?

Something like 212 and around 100 were from vacancies the Republicans blocked from being filled during Obama iirc
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 21:35:06
October 20 2020 21:34 GMT
#55380
On October 21 2020 06:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 04:53 Nevuk wrote:
Comey's 2016 announcement also wound up being pure bullshit, so I guess that's a good comparison. The announcement "New emails may have been found" wound up being "absolutely nothing new was found".

He literally told Congress that the case was shut, and he committed to informing them if the case was reopened for any reason. The trove of emails found on Anthony Weiner’s laptop was absolutely reason to investigate. So I have a hard time justifying why you call it bullshit. Comey put himself in a box.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'm pointing out that it wound up being bullshit, as in, the announcement was "this could be on a scale of 0 to 100" and it wound up being precisely 0. The NY field office also sat on it for a bit so it would come out closer to the election (see Giuliani commenting it was coming earlier)

His actual letter tempered expectations a bit more, but it was leaked in a highly biased manner by Chaffetz: Comey was fucking idiot to think that this wasn't going to happen, and should have informed the public at the same time.
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