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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
October 20 2020 18:44 GMT
#55341
On October 21 2020 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 03:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:11 Nevuk wrote:
Brietbart, the site that has a black crime section? You don't get why people don't like or trust them?

Seriously they do?

Jesus Christ......


Pretty sure he's making that up.

Nope. They have a black crime tag.

Though they've backed off on it some after people pointed out their most racist articles to advertisers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com./lifestyle/style/is-breitbart-news-veering-away-from-the-farthest-far-right/2017/06/06/35f91160-4ad1-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/24/black-black-crime-blame-system-ignore-evidence/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

edit :
Here's a better source:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/here-are-some-of-the-most-controversial-stories-published-by
They've removed it, but it existed before 2017.
[image loading]

Wow. That's mind boggling.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24211 Posts
October 20 2020 18:46 GMT
#55342
Is anyone disputing that the picture is what it is purported to be? I also think Breitbart is trash fwiw.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 20 2020 18:51 GMT
#55343
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 20 2020 18:53 GMT
#55344
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 20 2020 18:54 GMT
#55345
On October 21 2020 03:38 Mazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2020 23:25 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 20 2020 14:11 Mazer wrote:
On October 20 2020 12:59 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 20 2020 12:35 Mazer wrote:
On October 20 2020 12:22 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 20 2020 11:47 Mazer wrote:
On October 20 2020 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 20 2020 11:16 Mazer wrote:
On October 20 2020 11:02 NewSunshine wrote:
So, let me continue to try to get your shit straight. Trump supporters endlessly and blindly following him, despite his avalanche of illegal and otherwise highly immoral acts as president, no problems here. People suggesting the Hunter Biden story may just be a bunch of crap? "YoU mUsT hAvE lImItS". Trump and his crowd continually blaming everything wrong with the US on Mexico and China? Nothing to see here. Wondering if a story which no major outlet - even Fox - wants to run with might be a ploy by Russians, who absolutely would do and have done shit like this, suddenly liberals are collectively deranged.

You're lost, man. Get a grip.


Worst part is tweet quoting Glenn Greenwald in an attempt to continue to downplay Russian influence:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/10/18/steve-bannon-guccifer-2-0-glenn-greenwald-and-me-how-glenn-greenwald-defends-smear-artist-cowards/

Good read.


Empty Wheel is a great source to be quoting. Basically the equivalent of Seth Abramson.


Yeah, says the guy quoting GG.

Point out the issues in that article and maybe I'll cede that. You won't.

If you don't like that one, here's another going over what we still haven't learned from the Mueller report that you and your kin gleefully cheer as a hoax:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/whats-new-unredacted-mueller-report

Try that one if you prefer. You seem to know a lot about Flynn et al, enlighten us.



I got far enough in to the empty wheel article to see that he/she is defending the excommunication of maggie haberman for merely linking to the NYP story. And he/she is dim enough to think that it was Maggie's tweet, more so than the viral reaction to Maggie's tweet, that actually drew attention to the NYP story. As for flynn I've posted plenty about his case. If you think the criminal and national security theories that were dreamt up against him for his (randomly surveilled) phone call were well founded, I've got a bridge for you.


The NYP is a tabloid newspaper owned by Murdoch and MH is predominantly a self-serving journalist. That story has been amplified despite it being a complete load of bullshit and most respectable organizations know as much. That's why she's been called out (in her follow-up tweets, MH admits as much). Maybe think a bit more about how that 'viral reaction' came to fruition; why someone might push for such a reaction to this (and who).

Flynn's a scumbag and has admitted guilt multiple times. His lawyer is just a complete rat-fucker which is suitable given the rest of the people connected to Trump that have been found guilty by their peers.

Stop defending these crooks you hack.



I'd recommend checking your TDS. Maggie linked to the NYP article in a single tweet and resistance twitter lost its mind. Similar to how, in trumps town hall recently, there was a woman nodding her head in the background in agreement with trump - and the resistance lost its collective mind. Also the mueller team threatened flynns son so he cut a deal. That's actually a very simple matter.

You are only trying to criminalize your political opposition, because like many, you haven't gotten your TDS in check yet. I can only imagine what things will be like if trump wins again.


TDS, really? We reddit now?

Again, read the articles and the underlying sourced material. Gave you two options and you're doing nothing but gaslighting like that hack you are.


The hostility you direct toward someone who has the gall to point out the silliness of some of the attacks on trump and those around him, is itself evidence of derangement. But your empty wheel is some nonsense about "MAGA Haberman" and I've read enough lawfare to know how eager they are to criminalize trump. I might get around to the flynn article though because I do find that stuff interesting and I imagine it would be easy to point out the overzealousness of the lawfare writers' arguments.


You seem to think you're some sort of hero when all you're doing is gaslighting. I get it upsets you to be called out but that shit just shouldn't fly here.

The man is a criminal through and through and a complete wreck of a POTUS. Keep grasping at those Hunter straws while the dipshit lines his pockets with taxpayer dollars, basically all in plain sight, and fights tooth and nail to not disclose his finances and or whom he owes a half billion dollars (or more) to. It's pathetic man.


He owes $400 million or so to Deutsche Bank and we knew that before the 2016 election. But I assume you think he owes it to Putin directly or that Deutsche Bank is Putin's alter ego.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 20 2020 18:55 GMT
#55346
On October 21 2020 03:51 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 03:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:11 Nevuk wrote:
Brietbart, the site that has a black crime section? You don't get why people don't like or trust them?

Seriously they do?

Jesus Christ......


Pretty sure he's making that up.

Nope. They have a black crime tag.

Though they've backed off on it some after people pointed out their most racist articles to advertisers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com./lifestyle/style/is-breitbart-news-veering-away-from-the-farthest-far-right/2017/06/06/35f91160-4ad1-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1206285150566240257

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/24/black-black-crime-blame-system-ignore-evidence/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

edit :
Here's a better source:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/here-are-some-of-the-most-controversial-stories-published-by
They've removed it, but it existed before 2017.
[image loading]

Wow. That's mind boggling.

What is even more mindboggling that in spite of this, and their founder being brought up fraud charges for his "wall" fund (when are those caravans getting here, I am really shocked the US is not completely overrun at this point) many people believe it to be an actual news source. Some of them whole heartily, while others will ignore the grossest parts and somehow believe that the parts they like/believe are true. It is not shocking however that the people who do, do the exact same things for Trump. Persepctive has been completely lost.


It's very lazy to dismiss any individual story without actually addressing that story, especially when there are documents and/or pictures.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 19:04:55
October 20 2020 19:00 GMT
#55347
On October 21 2020 03:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:11 Nevuk wrote:
Brietbart, the site that has a black crime section? You don't get why people don't like or trust them?

Seriously they do?

Jesus Christ......


Pretty sure he's making that up.

Nope. They have a black crime tag.

Though they've backed off on it some after people pointed out their most racist articles to advertisers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com./lifestyle/style/is-breitbart-news-veering-away-from-the-farthest-far-right/2017/06/06/35f91160-4ad1-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1206285150566240257

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/24/black-black-crime-blame-system-ignore-evidence/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

edit :
Here's a better source:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/here-are-some-of-the-most-controversial-stories-published-by
They've removed it, but it existed before 2017.
[image loading]

Wow. That's mind boggling.

Breitbart makes Murdoch look like a responsible, ethical news person. You have to understand, we're not talking about just "far right". We're talking about white ethno-nationalists who are also afraid of jews. No one besides xdaunt has ever even tried using them as a source, iirc, before this.

Some of their headlines:
'Political Correctness Protects Muslim Race Culture'
'Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy'
'Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It's Time To Get Back Into The Closet'
'Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew'
'Would you rather your child had feminism or cancer?'
'The solution to online 'harassment' is simple: Women should log off'
On October 21 2020 03:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is anyone disputing that the picture is what it is purported to be? I also think Breitbart is trash fwiw.

I literally don't believe anything from brietbart, so yes, I do suspect it of being manipulated in some way. Them pushing it makes me actually think the whole thing is made up. Their credibility is that low.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 19:05:35
October 20 2020 19:03 GMT
#55348
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 19:16:27
October 20 2020 19:04 GMT
#55349
On October 21 2020 03:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 03:51 JimmiC wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:11 Nevuk wrote:
Brietbart, the site that has a black crime section? You don't get why people don't like or trust them?

Seriously they do?

Jesus Christ......


Pretty sure he's making that up.

Nope. They have a black crime tag.

Though they've backed off on it some after people pointed out their most racist articles to advertisers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com./lifestyle/style/is-breitbart-news-veering-away-from-the-farthest-far-right/2017/06/06/35f91160-4ad1-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1206285150566240257

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/24/black-black-crime-blame-system-ignore-evidence/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

edit :
Here's a better source:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/here-are-some-of-the-most-controversial-stories-published-by
They've removed it, but it existed before 2017.
[image loading]

Wow. That's mind boggling.

What is even more mindboggling that in spite of this, and their founder being brought up fraud charges for his "wall" fund (when are those caravans getting here, I am really shocked the US is not completely overrun at this point) many people believe it to be an actual news source. Some of them whole heartily, while others will ignore the grossest parts and somehow believe that the parts they like/believe are true. It is not shocking however that the people who do, do the exact same things for Trump. Persepctive has been completely lost.


It's very lazy to dismiss any individual story without actually addressing that story, especially when there are documents and/or pictures.

Does this mean I can start citing The Onion or The Beaverton?

Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
October 20 2020 19:10 GMT
#55350
On October 21 2020 04:04 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 03:55 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:51 JimmiC wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 21 2020 03:11 Nevuk wrote:
Brietbart, the site that has a black crime section? You don't get why people don't like or trust them?

Seriously they do?

Jesus Christ......


Pretty sure he's making that up.

Nope. They have a black crime tag.

Though they've backed off on it some after people pointed out their most racist articles to advertisers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com./lifestyle/style/is-breitbart-news-veering-away-from-the-farthest-far-right/2017/06/06/35f91160-4ad1-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1206285150566240257

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/24/black-black-crime-blame-system-ignore-evidence/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

edit :
Here's a better source:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/here-are-some-of-the-most-controversial-stories-published-by
They've removed it, but it existed before 2017.
[image loading]

Wow. That's mind boggling.

What is even more mindboggling that in spite of this, and their founder being brought up fraud charges for his "wall" fund (when are those caravans getting here, I am really shocked the US is not completely overrun at this point) many people believe it to be an actual news source. Some of them whole heartily, while others will ignore the grossest parts and somehow believe that the parts they like/believe are true. It is not shocking however that the people who do, do the exact same things for Trump. Persepctive has been completely lost.


It's very lazy to dismiss any individual story without actually addressing that story, especially when there are documents and/or pictures.

Does this mean I can start citing The Onion or The Beaverton?


The irony of him making that statement.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 20 2020 19:18 GMT
#55351
Yet you guys will be into headlines from the collusion conspiracists hook, line and sinker.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 20 2020 19:23 GMT
#55352
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11943 Posts
October 20 2020 19:25 GMT
#55353
So, i just read this news article about Trump adopting a dead dog. I think this is relevant to the discussion because it gives a very clear image of Trumps campaign.

https://www.theonion.com/trump-attempts-to-soften-image-before-election-by-adopt-1845371097

I think it is really bad that Trump adopted a dead dog, this is very unsanitary.

Now can we start using real news sources? Because that is about as truthful as anything on Breitbart.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 20 2020 19:31 GMT
#55354
The real truth is that you just want to avoid stories that are unfavorable to Biden. Memories of Comey's 2016 announcement are coming up.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
October 20 2020 19:40 GMT
#55355
Breitbart is a pretty useful news source to see what a certain segment of society believe and value, less of that veneer or hiding behind weasel words on there.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 19:43:45
October 20 2020 19:42 GMT
#55356
On October 21 2020 04:31 Doodsmack wrote:
The real truth is that you just want to avoid stories that are unfavorable to Biden. Memories of Comey's 2016 announcement are coming up.

If your story has any value, it will be relayed by other medias that are not conspiracy mongering neo fascists crap, I think that's what people are trying to tell you.

And if the only source you find is from said conspiracy mongering neo fascists goons, maybe it's not a good story and there is something majorly wrong with it. Because there are plenty of serious outlets who would be delighted to post a serious story against Biden right now if it has any credibility.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 19:48:28
October 20 2020 19:44 GMT
#55357
On October 21 2020 04:31 Doodsmack wrote:
The real truth is that you just want to avoid stories that are unfavorable to Biden. Memories of Comey's 2016 announcement are coming up.

The real truth is that Trump is a lying piece of shit 100% of the time, while Biden, as any politician, probably has some skeletons in his closet.

Latest exemple ? (well it was already advanced by DOJ a few days ago, since the court asked them to go fucking confirm with the president, and here is the result).

Trump publicly and very cleanly said he had ordered the declassification of everything related to the Russia probe. As with everything he says, he suddenly didn't say it, or not like that, when it's convenient to him. This president will not take responsibility for everything, EVER.








White House lawyers told the judge hearing the case in Washington, D.C. federal court, Reggie Walton, that the president's tweet had no relevance to the BuzzFeed case, but the judge said he wanted to know what the president's personal position was.

“It seems to me when a president makes a clear, unambiguous statement of what his intention is, that I can’t rely on the White House Counsel’s Office saying, ‘Well, that was not his intent,’” Walton said at a court hearing last week, according to The Washington Post.

“I think the American public has a right to rely on what the president says his intention is,” added Walton, a former presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
NoiR
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 20 2020 19:46 GMT
#55358
On October 21 2020 04:31 Doodsmack wrote:
The real truth is that you just want to avoid stories that are unfavorable to Biden. Memories of Comey's 2016 announcement are coming up.


You reckon maybe that you ought not to be leaning on things like 'the real truth' on a story that's a long way from confirmed legitimacy?

You going to be telling us all about how we should have given heed to pizzagate next?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 20 2020 19:53 GMT
#55359
Comey's 2016 announcement also wound up being pure bullshit, so I guess that's a good comparison. The announcement "New emails may have been found" wound up being "absolutely nothing new was found".
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
October 20 2020 19:56 GMT
#55360
On October 21 2020 04:53 Nevuk wrote:
Comey's 2016 announcement also wound up being pure bullshit, so I guess that's a good comparison. The announcement "New emails may have been found" wound up being "absolutely nothing new was found".


Are you honestly telling me Hillary didn't get locked up after all?
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