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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On October 20 2020 13:04 Starlightsun wrote: What is TDS? Trump derangement syndrome. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
Nowadays there are so, so many layers of bullshit, distance and abstraction that keeping track of where the lies, omissions, fabrication or incompetence comes in. Thus even debunking the most absolutely insane nonsense to a certain audience is de facto impossible to do. Once had the pleasure of a stranger in a bar getting into politics chat and he moved rather swiftly on to his belief in things such as Pizzagate, fun time that was. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On October 20 2020 12:59 Doodsmack wrote: I'd recommend checking your TDS. Maggie linked to the NYP article in a single tweet and resistance twitter lost its mind. Similar to how, in trumps town hall recently, there was a woman nodding her head in the background in agreement with trump - and the resistance lost its collective mind. Also the mueller team threatened flynns son so he cut a deal. That's actually a very simple matter. You are only trying to criminalize your political opposition, because like many, you haven't gotten your TDS in check yet. I can only imagine what things will be like if trump wins again. TDS, really? We reddit now? Again, read the articles and the underlying sourced material. Gave you two options and you're doing nothing but gaslighting like that hack you are. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I'm fine with the publication and spread of stories that themselves admit it depends on a computer guy and Giuliani as key sources in the chain. I'm not cool with multiple anonymous sources that you have to take the author's word that they're not a single source disseminating, or at all trustworthy (their own desires to leak falsehoods to help their position taken into account). That's why I can't accept at face value a single person Fox News found to substantiate an email: there must be more, and there must be some willing to comment with their name. And all this screwing around with bans on social media is just sending a nuclear bomb into the dialogue that elites are making decisions on what you're allowed to see, rather than their "preferred narrative" that they're banning bad stories and countering hackers. It's a stupid hill to die on for Facebook and Twitter. I think Twitter's on their fourth iteration of partially admitting that they did something wrong, and partially easing off the most obnoxious parts of their response. The NYPost twitter account hasn't been able to even post stories for 5 days. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1099 Posts
On October 20 2020 11:51 Doodsmack wrote: It's not whatabout Hunter if money is flowing to Joe. Not that I should really bother repeating that the entire point is the money flowing in that direction. But I know, you'd rather believe in collusion than the documents. Oh, and where in his tax returns is this money? Joe Biden released his tax returns. You can find them here: https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/# There's the documents. Please find the money. Then explain why Trump felt the need to hide his tax returns for years (he still hasn't released them, we only know because they were leaked). And explain why Trump felt the need to lie as to why he couldn't release them. From that alone, it should be pretty obvious which politician is being more honest and which is less honest. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On October 20 2020 14:20 RenSC2 wrote: Oh, and where in his tax returns is this money? Joe Biden released his tax returns. You can find them here: https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/# There's the documents. Please find the money. Then explain why Trump felt the need to hide his tax returns for years (he still hasn't released them, we only know because they were leaked). And explain why Trump felt the need to lie as to why he couldn't release them. From that alone, it should be pretty obvious which politician is being more honest and which is less honest. Too much logic here man, I guess you have TDS too! | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
On October 20 2020 13:38 WombaT wrote: I miss the days where I could (vaguely) just generally trust that stories had some veracity to them, with a little tilt of ideological bias factored in of course. Nowadays there are so, so many layers of bullshit, distance and abstraction that keeping track of where the lies, omissions, fabrication or incompetence comes in. Thus even debunking the most absolutely insane nonsense to a certain audience is de facto impossible to do. Once had the pleasure of a stranger in a bar getting into politics chat and he moved rather swiftly on to his belief in things such as Pizzagate, fun time that was. It's best to stay way as much as possible from political discourse to be honest. It's too muddied to wade through unscathed. Nuance is simply gone. People are unwilling to delve into complex issues, like socio-economic backgrounds, historical context, etc. simply because its a lot of work and because it might even reveal some stuff that directly counters the ideological belief system people have set up for themselves. Why do all that work to come to the conclusion it's grey, when it could be black and white with zero to no effort and some memes on the side? The internet has at the very least caused a strong dip in reasoning skills for humanity. Social media is only adding to that flaw. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46541 Posts
Which, of course, is just a smug acronym that Trump supporters invented to try and trigger people who disagree with Trump. You care about the fact that Trump is destroying the environment, collapsing our economy, putting everyone's lives and healthcare in jeopardy, and perpetuating ignorance and bigotry = You must surely have some neurological obsession because no other leader ever gets as much unfair hate as our poor Trump. It's basically an ad hominem that dismisses justified criticism as nothing more than an assumed mental illness, and it fits nicely in with the fact that Trump mocks the disabled. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
I suppose it's also a decent term to use on his deranged cult followers. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14213 Posts
I mean other than begging suburban women to like you while you call women derogatory terms or telling people that your opponent is going to do the insane thing of listening to scientists. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
Here's a Brookings article on turnover specifically, a small piece of the picture that will become more clear on the other side. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46541 Posts
Debate Commission To Mute Candidates' Mics At Start Of Each Segment https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925605044/candidates-will-have-some-uninterrupted-time-in-final-presidential-debate?fbclid=IwAR2xQQKJfRtOTmYAPJbVbbaZGZshvoxPqlSoPw5zZwSY3C6RKbJdrsdC3dU The Commission on Presidential Debates announced changes to the debate rules ahead of Thursday's final presidential debate. Under the new rules, President Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden will each have two minutes of uninterrupted time to speak at the beginning of every 15-minute segment of the debate. "The only candidate whose microphone will be open during these two-minute periods is the candidate who has the floor under the rules," the commission announced. After that, there will be time for discussion with both candidates' microphones open. The commission says both campaigns have agreed to the two-minute, uninterrupted rule. It's an effort to allow Trump and former Vice President Biden more equitable time to answer questions in the final presidential debate. The decision comes after a chaotic first presidential debate that saw significant interruptions from both major party candidates, primarily from Trump. The Sept. 29 debate, moderated by Fox News' Chris Wallace, was widely criticized for its off-the-rails nature and lack of structure. Trump and Biden had been scheduled for a debate last week, but that was canceled because of a dispute over safety protocols (Trump had been hospitalized days after the first debate with COVID-19). The presidential rivals separately held competing town halls last week instead. Thursday's debate comes just a week and a half before the Nov. 3 general election, in which Trump and Biden will compete for the Oval Office, and hundreds of congressional seats as well as nearly a dozen governors' mansion are up for grabs. In a statement, the Trump campaign said it was "committed to debating" Biden "regardless of last minute rule changes from the biased commission in their latest attempt to provide advantage to their favored candidate." "This was supposed to be the foreign policy debate, so the President still looks forward to forcing Biden to answer the number one relevant question of whether he's been compromised by the Communist Party of China," the campaign continued. Earlier in the day, the campaign released a request that the debate focus on foreign policy, as opposed to the topics chosen by NBC News moderator Kristen Welker. The topics include: race, national security, leadership, America's families, COVID-19, and climate change. "We understand that Joe Biden is desperate to avoid conversations on his own foreign policy record, especially since President Trump has secured historic peace agreements among Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain," the campaign said. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On October 20 2020 19:52 Sermokala wrote: Nothing makes you look worse than trying to use insider terms against people who have no idea what you're talking about. I mean other than begging suburban women to like you while you call women derogatory terms or telling people that your opponent is going to do the insane thing of listening to scientists. Echo chamber neologisms such as "TDS" holds no value in general discourse, as it's intention is to be a signal of allegiance to allies akin to spouting 1488, calling news you disagree with for MSM, and strawmanning all political disagreement as cultural marxism, rather than an attempt to communicate ideas using ones own words in an open forum. Usage of echo chamber neologisms is usually a sign for me to ignore any nonfactual, non-well-documented claim of the writer. | ||
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