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On October 19 2020 21:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2020 21:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 19 2020 18:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 19 2020 17:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 19 2020 04:11 NewSunshine wrote:
Trump supporters literally have no standard for their leader aside from "he's not a lefty". He can do literally no wrong, because as long as they can point to someone - anyone - who can compare to him in that moment, what he's doing becomes OK. Not exactly, there was plenty of criticism from many supporters when he launched pre-emptive strikes in Syria in 2018. Looking back after his first term though i'd say the situation regarding ISIS is far better now than it was under Obama/Biden, would you agree? If Trump had started a new war, instead of winding current wars down and withdrawing troops, then a decent portion of his base would have abandoned him IMO.People are over the wars. You mean the strikes that the Republicans forbid Obama from doing? yeah that sure doesn't show the hypocrisy... Or how do you celebrate Trump for withdrawing when the locals wanted the US to stay and yet criticise Obama for leaving when the Iraqi government asked for the US to leave? Also those strikes did nothing and certainly did not cause the downfall of ISIS. Ask the Kurds in Syria how wonderful Trump's strategy was when they were hung out to die. Heck ask the US troops how they feel about Russian bounties on their head. Obama era and the RINOs from 7+ years ago is kind of irrelevant now.Trump has changed the party. The Kurds, you want to send US troops back to Syria to help factional Middle East conflict? Doubt this would have much support in either party.Take out Assad and the country could descend into chaos and slave trade could return like it did in Obama/Biden's other middle east disaster Libya. US should be more non-Interventionist.ISIS caliphate is defeated, time to pull back.The left is still anti-war anti-interventionist or not anymore since it's a Trump position? Bizarre. So don't talk about Obama, except for you who talks about Obama? Doesn't fly dude. The lefts position is the same it has been since forever, don't randomly go to war but if you are in a war don't just abandon the allies that fought for you. That's how you get a whole new generation ready to do another 9/11.
Sure, you don't think the Republican party has changed the past 7 years? Meanwhile the Dems are running the VP from that era.Which party has changed more in your eyes? Biden has been in politics 47 years, Trump 4. Could you have imagined Romney walking into North Korea with Kim?
As for 9/11, Bin Laden was a member of the Mujahideen (Meaning 'Jihad') which was funded 20 billion by the US government to fight the USSR in Afghanistan (Operation cyclone).
Funding/supporting rebel groups in Syria and elsewhere like has been done under recent administrations could see the rise of fanatics like Bin Laden again.There is no guarantee a Syria ruled by the rebels Obama admin was backing would be more stable than Assad, likely it would be far less stable.See related article on the demise of the CIA backed Syrian rebels.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html
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Wait, is fawning over KJ a good point ? Can you remind me what did it accomplish ?
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Thank you Nevuk, the Flynn stuff also explains why they were pushing for the dismissal so hard and didn't want the judge to get a hearing on the dismissal.
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On October 19 2020 22:03 Nevuk wrote:Remember how NY Post is a bastion of good, verified reporting? The reporters themselves had issues with the story. The NYTimes is reporting that the author the Hunter Biden article refused to have their name on the byline, and the only person put on it initially was not informed of the decision to put her as the byline until AFTER publication, along with having done very little work on it. The other person who eventually had their name added has appeared on instagram with members of the Trump campaign and has not written an article for four years for the Post. The NYT, WSJ, and WaPo were all unable to verify any of the information in the article as well. It's either a hoax or russian propaganda, stop falling for it. WSJ is also another Murdoch paper, so it's not like we're talking only liberal bastions here. Dailybeast summary (since NYT tends to be paywalled) Show nested quote +Two New York Post employees told The New York Times that the primary author of its Wednesday Hunter Biden article, whose veracity three news organizations have been unable to independently verify, refused to appear on the byline. The sources also said Gabrielle Fonrouge, one of the article’s two named authors, did little of its reporting and writing and was unaware of her byline until after its publication. The other named author, Post deputy politics editor Emma-Jo Morris, did not have a byline in the newspaper until Wednesday’s article, according to the Times, and previously had publicly available Instagram photos with former Trump advisers Steve Bannon and Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani told the Times he went to the Post with the hard drive because “either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-post-reporter-refused-to-put-name-on-hunter-biden-article-report-says?ref=homeOriginal article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/media/new-york-post-hunter-biden.htmlThe provided metadata is also problematic. Is it 100% dispositive? No, but it's really fucking close. It was created well after it was supposedly turned into the repair shop, but before Rudy claimed to have gotten it. One of the other alleged conspiracies doodsmack has been throwing around, that the government conspired to falsely charge Flynn, has had some new info as well. That new info is that the DoJ tampered with evidence that they submitted on Flynn's behalf, in order to back up QAnon conspiracy theories. They attached incorrect dates on post-it notes on files, then submitted these incorrect files to help back up Flynn's case. Their defense is that this was an accident, but it beggars belief because they redacted items DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE FALSE DATES and also did it in an entirely different case. Note : even their defense admits they tampered with the evidence. It happened, we know it happened, we can see it on the documents. They've also been submitting completely unnecessary evidence to help Flynn. Not Brady papers, just generic "this is our prosecutorial plan" in a manner that's insane - basically, if something sounds bad out of context, they submitted it, and only it, without any of the context. This is where we're getting all the "entrapment" bullshit from. That wasn't what happened. Some snippets from a recent Opening Arguments (a legal podcast) analysis on this. (Warning, long). Note that the main lawyer, was once a partner at the same firm as Strzok's lawyer, but they've had no working relationship for a very long time, with the exception of a single interview for the podcast(he clarifies this earlier in the transcript of the show). + Show Spoiler +Note : ellipsis are for non-legal commentary from the cohost, which I've excised for length
This came out during oral argument, that Sidney Powell was in the White House discussing whether or not she wanted Donald Trump to pardon Michael Flynn at the same time she was in court preparing these arguments with respect to the government’s, now all of a sudden I’m sure totally above board position that no, it just has to move to dismiss this case under Rule 48, “there isn’t any evidence.”
Here’s how they’re manipulating that system.
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the government has an obligation under Brady v. Maryland to produce potentially exculpatory documents, and produce them to defense counsel. That is an affirmative obligation, when you discover it you’ve got to turn it over whether they’ve asked for it or not. The reason we do this is because usually the government is trying to prosecute your client, not working with defense- [...]
-in order to stop the prosecution of somebody who has confessed multiple times to committing the crime in open court. But, you know, in this crazy world we live in that’s upside down that’s where we are. So, the government is continuing to produce documents that are not Brady material, that it is not required to produce, and it keeps feeding them piecemeal to Sidney Powell in order to fuel her conspiracy theory nonsense. This example, and again, this is linked in the show notes, is truly awful.
Here’s what the government produced to Sidney Powell a couple of days ago and then disclosed they were producing as part of their Brady obligations in Court. It is the note of an associate working in the Department of Justice on Peter Strzok’s team and it is their notes from getting together at a prosecutorial team meeting. Again, super early in the process, January 25th, 2017. Basically, right as Lt. General Flynn has spoken to the Mueller team. They’re then getting together to talk about what this means.
First off, these are internal lawyer notes. You do not have to produce them. Even if I write in my notes “defendant might be innocent (question mark)?”
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I am entitled to my thoughts as an attorney working the case. That is not Brady material. But nevertheless, that’s what they’ve produced. They’ve produced a lawyer’s contemporaneous notes as their working through this case at an incredibly early phase, and they’ve done it in a way there is, without a doubt, a 100% consistent way of understanding this document. This is designed to muddy the waters.
So, this one-page set of notes says the following. It starts off with, other than listing everyone in the room, then it says “tolls – did he talk to admin first,” that’s an open question and that is the lawyer taking the notes of going oh, we need to look at, in charging this person with a crime, did – again, in charging Flynn with a crime – is the statute of limitations tolled because of Michael Flynn’s activities with respect to the presidential administration. They leave that as an open question.
Then it says “Logan Act – (quote) ‘no reasonable prosecutor’” (end quote).
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Now, again, that is something that was discussed in the meeting. It’s something we’ve said on the show, which is the standard is would a reasonable prosecutor bring a case under the Logan Act? You might say yeah, nobody ever gets prosecuted under the Logan Act and I am 100% certain, because the reason I could be – I say 100% certain a lot – but you can say that in this case because the government did not charge [Laughing] Michael Flynn with a violation of the Logan Act, because they decided yeah, no reasonable prosecutor would charge him under the Logan Act in these circumstances.
Then under that are a couple of small bullets, these are lines that say “- uphill battle; – other transition teams; – first time to use it.”
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It is clear that what happened was there was an internal debate that said “maybe we should charge this guy under the Logan Act,” and the prosecutors were like [Sighs] you know what? We could. Put a pin in that. But if we charge him with the Logan Act you need to know that’s gonna be an uphill battle. We would get into, they would muddy the water by talking about what other presidential transition teams have done, because the Logan Act prevents you from having contact with a foreign government on behalf of the U.S. government when you were not authorized to do so, and when you are on the presidential transition team and you’re talking to Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, in December, all things that Michael Flynn did, you’re not speaking on behalf of the U.S. government, you are speaking on behalf of the President-elect who does not get to be President until January.
So, there is a fair argument here that says yeah, if we were to charge him under the Logan Act then they would muddy up the waters by talking about what other presidential transition teams have done and they would argue look, there was no intent, they thought they were gonna be the President, it was December.
Flynn's lawyer also admitted she had been talking to Trump about a potential pardon in court. So the conspiracy is actually the entirely other way : the government is conspiring WITH FLYNN'S LAWYER to get him out of charges that he confessed to in open court. Unnecessary Brady disclosures filing and concerned document : http://openargs.com/wp-content/uploads/Sullivan-Brady-disclosure.pdfhttp://openargs.com/wp-content/uploads/FBI-Lawyer-Doc.pdfShould lying to the FBI be a crime? I dunno. Perjury definitely should be, though. He confessed that he knew lying to the FBI was a crime, and that he did so in order to lessen political blow back. Regardless, the FBI is a massively republican leaning institution, so all these theories about how they were out to get Trump, the GOP president, are pure bullshit with barely the thinnest shreds of out of context evidence. From now on, don't treat anything Doodsmack says as correct. He is, at best, presenting unverified conspiracy theories as true. The issue is that it takes 100x more effort to debunk these theories than it does to prove them. I briefly fell for the Flynn one, which is why I'm somewhat pissed off about that one. Court filing complaining about the alteration with the alterations attached http://openargs.com/wp-content/uploads/Goelman-letter.pdfNews source on the DOJ response. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/07/politics/flynn-justice-department-altered-documents/index.htmlFull Transcript source https://openargs.com/transcript-of-oa428-govt-caught-lying-for-flynn/
The post-its do seem pretty minor (you're not even alleging that they somehow altered the meaning the documents), and you're also failing to address about 95% of the issues with the Flynn case, while claiming that you have solved the entire thing.
I suspect we'll get the truth about the computer shop story one way or the other. None of what you presented is conclusive, least of all the metadata. Clearly the newsroom did not publish the original emails so it is expected that the metadata of what they did publish did not match the original emails.
One of Hunter's former business partners has now provided Breitbart with access to his gmail account so that should be fun. Could be why Biden has called a lid on this whole week.
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On October 19 2020 22:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2020 21:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 19 2020 21:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 19 2020 18:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 19 2020 17:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 19 2020 04:11 NewSunshine wrote:
Trump supporters literally have no standard for their leader aside from "he's not a lefty". He can do literally no wrong, because as long as they can point to someone - anyone - who can compare to him in that moment, what he's doing becomes OK. Not exactly, there was plenty of criticism from many supporters when he launched pre-emptive strikes in Syria in 2018. Looking back after his first term though i'd say the situation regarding ISIS is far better now than it was under Obama/Biden, would you agree? If Trump had started a new war, instead of winding current wars down and withdrawing troops, then a decent portion of his base would have abandoned him IMO.People are over the wars. You mean the strikes that the Republicans forbid Obama from doing? yeah that sure doesn't show the hypocrisy... Or how do you celebrate Trump for withdrawing when the locals wanted the US to stay and yet criticise Obama for leaving when the Iraqi government asked for the US to leave? Also those strikes did nothing and certainly did not cause the downfall of ISIS. Ask the Kurds in Syria how wonderful Trump's strategy was when they were hung out to die. Heck ask the US troops how they feel about Russian bounties on their head. Obama era and the RINOs from 7+ years ago is kind of irrelevant now.Trump has changed the party. The Kurds, you want to send US troops back to Syria to help factional Middle East conflict? Doubt this would have much support in either party.Take out Assad and the country could descend into chaos and slave trade could return like it did in Obama/Biden's other middle east disaster Libya. US should be more non-Interventionist.ISIS caliphate is defeated, time to pull back.The left is still anti-war anti-interventionist or not anymore since it's a Trump position? Bizarre. So don't talk about Obama, except for you who talks about Obama? Doesn't fly dude. The lefts position is the same it has been since forever, don't randomly go to war but if you are in a war don't just abandon the allies that fought for you. That's how you get a whole new generation ready to do another 9/11. Sure, you don't think the Republican party has changed the past 7 years? Meanwhile the Dems are running the VP from that era.Which party has changed more in your eyes? Biden has been in politics 47 years, Trump 4. Could you have imagined Romney walking into North Korea with Kim? As for 9/11, Bin Laden was a member of the Mujahideen (Meaning 'Jihad') which was funded 20 billion by the US government to fight the USSR in Afghanistan (Operation cyclone). Funding/supporting rebel groups in Syria and elsewhere like has been done under recent administrations could see the rise of fanatics like Bin Laden again.There is no guarantee a Syria ruled by the rebels Obama admin was backing would be more stable than Assad, likely it would be far less stable.See related article on the demise of the CIA backed Syrian rebels. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html I don't think the people in Congress that cried when Obama wanted to do a missile strike changed between then and cheering for Trump doing it no.
And no I don't imagine Romney is stupid enough to get pampered up by Kim Jung Un and get duped in the way that Trump is, while North Korea is proudly showing off their new ICBM's that might be able to reach continental US with the nukes they had already finished developing by the time they closed down a testing site that was already used up in a mock display of good intentions.
Yes I am aware of the history of Bin Laden, which is why I drew the parallel to the Kurds in the first place. you think them coming out to help the US and then being left to be slaughtered doesn't make it slightly more likely they will turn on America then if the US didn't completely abandon them??
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On October 19 2020 21:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2020 18:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 19 2020 17:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 19 2020 04:11 NewSunshine wrote:
Trump supporters literally have no standard for their leader aside from "he's not a lefty". He can do literally no wrong, because as long as they can point to someone - anyone - who can compare to him in that moment, what he's doing becomes OK. Not exactly, there was plenty of criticism from many supporters when he launched pre-emptive strikes in Syria in 2018. Looking back after his first term though i'd say the situation regarding ISIS is far better now than it was under Obama/Biden, would you agree? If Trump had started a new war, instead of winding current wars down and withdrawing troops, then a decent portion of his base would have abandoned him IMO.People are over the wars. You mean the strikes that the Republicans forbid Obama from doing? yeah that sure doesn't show the hypocrisy... Or how do you celebrate Trump for withdrawing when the locals wanted the US to stay and yet criticise Obama for leaving when the Iraqi government asked for the US to leave? Also those strikes did nothing and certainly did not cause the downfall of ISIS. Ask the Kurds in Syria how wonderful Trump's strategy was when they were hung out to die. Heck ask the US troops how they feel about Russian bounties on their head. Obama era and the RINOs from 7+ years ago is kind of irrelevant now.Trump has changed the party.Thats why you've got one of the Neo-Con Co-Authors of PNAC (Project for the New American Century) Bill Kristol endorsing Biden.Kristol was pushing for Iraqi regime change back in 1998, He's a hardline interventionist warmonger. You want these people endorsing your candidate? Go for it. The Kurds, you want to send US troops back to Syria to help factional Middle East conflict? Doubt this would have much support in either party.Take out Assad and the country could descend into chaos and slave trade could return like it did in Obama/Biden's other middle east disaster Libya. US should be more non-Interventionist.ISIS caliphate is defeated, time to pull back.The left is still anti-war anti-interventionist or not anymore since it's a Trump position? Bizarre.
xD Then what the heck are you doing about Israel ? About Saudi Arabia ? Iran ? Just let them all be then ! Since that looks to be your policy for the middle east.
Surprinsingly I'm not sure it's going to happen.
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His sycophants lap anything he says anyway. How did Cuomo kill thousands of old people. Didn't those people have pre conditions before getting covid ? By his, and his party, definition they didn't die from covid.
I wonder what kind of politician threaten their opposant with jail time, attack the media publicly, and get an ovation ? Dictators.
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Do people think Giuliani really was the tough, crime fighting, anti-mob, law and order guy that was cleaning up New York then had some dramatic life change post 9/11. Or that it's always been a scam while he's been buddies with Trump (one of the biggest criminals in the state) the whole time.
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He was always a piece of shit, but in the typical, just a below average politician kind of way. He did have some legitimately decent things he did as an AG against the mob.
As mayor some of his decisions directly contributed to the death toll on 9/11, but he gave some decent speeches around then. Stop and Frisk was a policy he directly contributed to, which we now know was just an excuse for cops to be extra racist with 0 actual effect on crime, but he wasn't unique among NY mayors in promoting that policy.
Then in 2008 he had possibly the dumbest possible campaign for president outside of Fred Thompson's and became persona non grata for some reason or another, and vanished until 2016-17 when Trump was looking for a pitbull.
edit: Also, my understanding is that the two of them (trump and Giuliani) couldn't stand each other for the late 90s and early 2000s, aside from the one weird drag video they did.
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I forgot which documentary on Netflix I watched, but they stated Giuliani was connected to Russian mob, and basically got rid of all Italian mafia for Russia.
edit, now i don't know how far to the extent that actually goes, and not claim that I do, but seeing now how he's actually connected, it would make a curious argument if it were also true when he was DA.
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I'm just here for the Giuliani & The Russian Mob content.
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On October 20 2020 09:06 Danglars wrote:
I'm just here for the Giuliani & The Russian Mob content.
McCarthyism is alive and well.
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On October 20 2020 09:21 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2020 09:06 Danglars wrote:
I'm just here for the Giuliani & The Russian Mob content. McCarthyism is alive and well.
Considering you got fucking played by a story that even Fox News refuses to run about Biden, I would perhaps not be talking about McCarthyism if I were you.
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On October 20 2020 09:26 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2020 09:21 Doodsmack wrote:On October 20 2020 09:06 Danglars wrote:
I'm just here for the Giuliani & The Russian Mob content. McCarthyism is alive and well. Considering you got fucking played by a story that even Fox News refuses to run about Biden, I would perhaps not be talking about McCarthyism if I were you.
Fox has covered it plenty and they broke news on it also. Don't know what you're talking about.
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On October 20 2020 10:09 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2020 09:26 NewSunshine wrote:On October 20 2020 09:21 Doodsmack wrote:On October 20 2020 09:06 Danglars wrote:
I'm just h useere for the Giuliani & The Russian Mob content. McCarthyism is alive and well. Considering you got fucking played by a story that even Fox News refuses to run about Biden, I would perhaps not be talking about McCarthyism if I were you. Fox has covered it plenty and they broke news on it also. Don't know what you're talking about.
Fox refused to run it and no reporter at the ny post was willing to put their name on the byline. Fox has mentioned it 100 times in the last week but even then they usually mention it had flaws.
The only thing fox has done is confirm that a single email was true. That's it. We know russia tried mixing fake emails in with real ones in France, so there is reason to be skeptical until all are verified as true.
Rudy has also said that he got the hard drives from a specific model of computer, one which doesn't have hard drives (as he was literally waving one around saying this is the hard drive, we know he was lying there too).
It is propaganda at best, and foreign state propaganda at worst.
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Keep telling yourself that, I know you're in denial that biden is another corrupt politician. The independent emails from hunters convicted criminal business partners align with the ones from the laptop. You'd believe the collusion conspiracists before you'd believe actual documents.
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So, let me continue to try to get your shit straight. Trump supporters endlessly and blindly following him, despite his avalanche of illegal and otherwise highly immoral acts as president, no problems here. People suggesting the Hunter Biden story may just be a bunch of crap? "YoU mUsT hAvE lImItS". Trump and his crowd continually blaming everything wrong with the US on Mexico and China? Nothing to see here. Wondering if a story which no major outlet - even Fox - wants to run with might be a ploy by Russians, who absolutely would do and have done shit like this, suddenly liberals are collectively deranged.
You're lost, man. Get a grip.
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