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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 07 2020 03:20 Wegandi wrote: Actually (in my best meme impression) Native American genocide wasn't a thing (as in official or unofficial policy) until the early 19th Century which exacerbated by Republicans after the civil war (Manifest Destiny really put it into overdrive). You should really read history and official records from the 1500s to 1800 in America. Now, the Spanish (and a bit of Portuguese) - they were the official genociders. Ya, a EU country which decimated all of South America, Latin America, and Southern/West Coast of N. America. If we're going to compare things, the Spanish were far far far worse than the British colonists. For the record though, almost every country on the planet was the result of some violent conflict. Go back in time and its bands of nomads fighting each other or raiders coming in and conquering folks, and vice versa. There really is no morally "clean" state, but if we want to talk RECENT history and imperialism you advocating for EU rule is hilariously tone-deaf, ahistorical, and hugely ignorant. It's the typical response of the US "left" to put the EU on a pedestal. It's funny really. Specifically, which country are you saying committed which imperialism, when? You are saying this instance is what we would expect the EU to behave like? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24211 Posts
On October 07 2020 04:45 Starlightsun wrote: I just don't understand. They literally ask us to accept people dying of covid because "the economy, the economy", and now they are basically saying fuck the economy because tons of business are going to close forever now. They want us to die and go out of business too. Now you're getting it. Please do so quietly as to not disturb the vulture capitalists picking over your bones. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 07 2020 04:37 Kyadytim wrote: I "enjoy" the implied threat there, which is that if Trump loses, there will be no further relief bill until Biden is sworn in. All Biden needs to do is call for $2000 stimulus checks immediately and suddenly it’s a really shitty threat and Trump has to pass something | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24211 Posts
On October 07 2020 04:58 Mohdoo wrote: All Biden needs to do is call for $2000 stimulus checks immediately and suddenly it’s a really shitty threat and Trump has to pass something All he has to do is support his own VP's proposal for it. This should come up at the debate I would hope. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
This is like then, only times 100. Chances of a reckoning for the GOP and Trump is becoming likelier by the minute. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 07 2020 04:58 Mohdoo wrote: All Biden needs to do is call for $2000 stimulus checks immediately and suddenly it’s a really shitty threat and Trump has to pass something It's because of Republicans' corrupt asses that there still hasn't been even a second stimulus check. I dunno what tf they expect people to do when millions have lost their jobs and tend to have little savings. Even by Mnuchin's "$1200 lasts 10 weeks" BS, they still haven't given out enough assistance for the people getting fucked. The vast majority of COVID financial assistance has gone, at the taxpayer's expense, to huge corporations and slush funds. Now the second check is held hostage. Because they bungled the response to the virus and are the main reason shit is even this bad to begin with. Neat. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 07 2020 04:57 GreenHorizons wrote: Now you're getting it. Please do so quietly as to not disturb the vulture capitalists picking over your bones. We might need a couple of serious incremental improvements to dig ourselves out of this hole. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22492 Posts
On October 07 2020 04:58 Mohdoo wrote: This isn't a move by Trump to try and win votes, this is about the Republicans sabotaging Biden's ability to recover the economy.All Biden needs to do is call for $2000 stimulus checks immediately and suddenly it’s a really shitty threat and Trump has to pass something What Biden promises is not relevant to the damage that another 3 months (and possibly more) of no stimulus will do in the face of Covid. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 07 2020 03:30 Wegandi wrote: Yes, I am aware and if you polled Hong Kong folks I bet they'd want back into the Commonwealth with a huge plurality. It does go to show for how bad the EU has been or how bad the US has been it tells you something these folks would rather they be part of those states than their regional brethren. I advocate for US unilateral withdrawal for the benefit of Americans not for the supposed benefit of the areas we'd withdrawal from (contrary to GH's utopian non-sense, many areas where US power would wane from would be worse off under the auspices of China, RU, etc.). My general point though was to point out how ignorant and tone-deaf Mohdoo's response was. It's not like EU imperialism is some ancient history lol. It's more recent than Jim Crow and Segregation here in the US. What's more is that the remaining French 'colonies' vote for President of France and send deputies and senators to parliament. The word colony doesnt really apply to New Caledonia any more than it does to Texas. Meanwhile the US runs actual bona fide colonies to this day. The 3m people in Puerto Rico are subject to the vast majority of US federal law, they do not have sovereignty in trade or defense matters,and yet they CANNOT vote. It's absolutely insane and it boggles my mind how even the US left doesnt talk about this as a great affront civil rights (rather than some political trick to spite Mitch). And before you say 'they dont want to become a state', that's not even the point. The people in (Turkish) Kurdistan dont 'want' to be part of Turkey, yet in actual fact they are, and so they are allowed to vote in Turkish elections. The US really should be able to match that standard. All that said sure you are right that a lot of the countries that make up the EU have an absolutely horrid (and recent) history of colonization and exploitation. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 07 2020 05:07 Gorsameth wrote: This isn't a move by Trump to try and win votes, this is about the Republicans sabotaging Biden's ability to recover the economy. What Biden promises is not relevant to the damage that another 3 months (and possibly more) of no stimulus will do in the face of Covid. "If I can't keep steering the ship I'll blow up the engine on my way out. GLHF." | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 07 2020 05:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I want to know if the "republicans" in this thread are okay with this announcement and what they think the consequence of it will be. TBH, If Trump is still receiving Dexamethasone, bravado like this should be expected. This is a documented effect of the drug. Openly saying he is against stimulus is no different than saying he wants a shutdown. Stimulus has super high support in both parties. Trump saying he refuses to give in and will delay until the next election is a losing position from every perspective. I think it is very unlikely he sticks to this. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24211 Posts
On October 07 2020 05:06 LegalLord wrote: We might need a couple of serious incremental improvements to dig ourselves out of this hole. What better way to stop the willful destruction of the middle class and further impoverishment of those on the bottom for the express purpose of enriching already wealthy people without even the pretense of trickle down enforced by nation wide police brutality than voting for the guy who wants to give the enforcers bigger budgets? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11945 Posts
On October 07 2020 05:09 NewSunshine wrote: "If I can't keep steering the ship I'll blow up the engine on my way out. GLHF." It worked the last time, when they managed to blame Obama for not immediately fixing in two years what GWB fucked up in eight. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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micronesia
United States24784 Posts
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Shingi11
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