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On October 07 2020 03:09 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:01 Wegandi wrote:On October 07 2020 02:36 Mohdoo wrote:On October 07 2020 02:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 02:26 Mohdoo wrote:On October 07 2020 02:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 02:08 Mohdoo wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com Let's say the US gets rid of these bases, are you saying you think Russia/China/EU would just kind of let them exist in complete independence? Or do you think they would try to have a similar deal as the US currently has? Imperialism is not ethical, but it is important to keep in mind that these weak countries may not have any other options. Just a different flag in the soil. The US ending it's imperialist agenda would have incalculable consequences for the world. Whether it's because we have some sort of political awakening or we collapse in on ourselves would definitely color how that played out. If you're asking if I think powers like Russia, China, and the EU would still exploit their advantages for global influence? Of course. The way I see what you're saying is: imperialism is unethical. It leads to exploitation. The US should stop being imperialists. + Show Spoiler + because it would remove this exploitation.
Now, I fully understand you don't like lesser evil arguments. But military situations, it is guaranteed. So my question is, in what situation do these exploited countries not end up exploited by someone else? I would agree with this and say "must" over "should". Let me be clear that in the current global conflict of US/CN/RU/EU, I am team-EU based on their culture and political structure. If I knew these exploited countries would end up under the EU, I would agree that we "must" free these countries, since it would essentially be the US funneling global power and influence into the EU. I see that as a win for humanity. I don't think that would happen. I think they would go to RU/CN. Who do you think would end up dominating these countries? Do you think it would be an improvement? If so, why? Yeah, I can see that going over very well. The EU has no legs to stand on here given their vast history of colonization which if y'all still say slavery and jim crow and segregation is the cause of the economic status of 2020 blacks definitely means that EU imperialism is worst or as bad as that (given that some EU countries still maintain "colonies" (French) and many EU countries still had colonies up until the 70s-80s) for the rest of the world especially Latin/South America, Africa, Southeast Asia, etc. Cracks me up you'd say something like that given the EU's history with imperialism. Let me get Congo, Vietnam, North Africa, Suriname, etc. on the line. I agree the past is not rosy at all for the EU. Just to point out that French "colonies" remaining have all had multiple referendums for independance (the latest last weekend for New Caledonia), and all who voted for independence had it. There were also referendums for a larger autonomy, most of which resulted in a "no thanks". They ranged from a 99,42% choice to stay in France versus joining Comoria for Mayotte in 1976, to last weekend's 53% against independance for New Caledonia.
Yes, I am aware and if you polled Hong Kong folks I bet they'd want back into the Commonwealth with a huge plurality. It does go to show for how bad the EU has been or how bad the US has been it tells you something these folks would rather they be part of those states than their regional brethren. I advocate for US unilateral withdrawal for the benefit of Americans not for the supposed benefit of the areas we'd withdrawal from (contrary to GH's utopian non-sense, many areas where US power would wane from would be worse off under the auspices of China, RU, etc.).
My general point though was to point out how ignorant and tone-deaf Mohdoo's response was. It's not like EU imperialism is some ancient history lol. It's more recent than Jim Crow and Segregation here in the US.
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On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills.
I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical.
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On October 07 2020 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical.
I didn't leave France because I didn't like its politics or foreign policy, what the hell are you talking about, hahaha!
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On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills.
You've pointed out why large states are not sustainable. It only breeds resentment, conflict, and sectarian strife. We'd be far better off with a thousand smaller states compared to large abominations like the US, Russia, Brazil, Canada, etc.
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On October 07 2020 03:34 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. You've pointed out why large states are not sustainable. It only breeds resentment, conflict, and sectarian strife. We'd be far better off with a thousand smaller states compared to large abominations like the US, Russia, Brazil, Canada, etc.
You think?
I believe that big states or at least supra national structures like the EU are absolutely crucial. Only those are equipped to deal with the challenges of a globalized world, from taxation to global warming.
That democracy doesn't mean YOU can change everything is obvious. But you can participate. Locally, nationally and internationally.
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On October 07 2020 03:34 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. You've pointed out why large states are not sustainable. It only breeds resentment, conflict, and sectarian strife. We'd be far better off with a thousand smaller states compared to large abominations like the US, Russia, Brazil, Canada, etc.
Hey finally we agree on something Wegandi!
Granted I’d layer some kind of arbitrating supranational entity on top to keep things running smoothly between all these new states, something akin to an EU really which I assume is going to break this new trend of agreement.
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On October 07 2020 03:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical. I didn't leave France because I didn't like its politics or foreign policy, what the hell are you talking about, hahaha!
I'm pointing out that the reason you're not supporting the French government's facilitating of Saudi Arabia's war crimes with your tax dollars is because you left not because you used France's democratic system to change it. I don't think you have any standing to tell anyone, let alone myself, anything about participating in the US bourgeois democratic system.
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On October 07 2020 03:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:If we are gonna take one liberal democracy's foreign policy to invalidate liberal democracy, why not take the foreign policy of one marxist leninist regime and see how it compares? + Show Spoiler +Oh... oh wait... You know what? Let's not do that, it's too obviously stupid. Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical. I didn't leave France because I didn't like its politics or foreign policy, what the hell are you talking about, hahaha! I'm pointing out that the reason you're not supporting the French government's facilitating of Saudi Arabia's war crimes with your tax dollars is because you left not because you used France's democratic system to change it. I don't think you have any standing to tell anyone, let alone myself, anything about participating in the US bourgeois democratic system.
You do whatever you want buddy. I am just pointing that your country offers you to participate to its public life, which is probably more productive if you care that much about its crimes abroad than grand talks about marxist leninism on a starcraft website.
Now if you will excuse me I am going to bed. Have a good day.
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On October 07 2020 04:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 03:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Invalidating liberal democracy in total is a bit of a task, I'm just dealing with the one in the US. Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history. At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical. I didn't leave France because I didn't like its politics or foreign policy, what the hell are you talking about, hahaha! I'm pointing out that the reason you're not supporting the French government's facilitating of Saudi Arabia's war crimes with your tax dollars is because you left not because you used France's democratic system to change it. I don't think you have any standing to tell anyone, let alone myself, anything about participating in the US bourgeois democratic system. You do whatever you want buddy. I am just pointing that your country offers you to participate to its public life, which is probably more productive if you care that much about its crimes abroad than ranting about marxist leninism on a starcraft website.
We all need hobbies.
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On October 07 2020 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 04:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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Yeah because big countries bullying small countries in their sphere of influence is totally unheard of. Except for, you know, every big country in history.
At least you got a chance to vote for people who don't pursue a shit foreign policy. No one ever got that chance in the system you advocate. The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. the United States has approximately 95% of the world’s foreign bases. www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical. I didn't leave France because I didn't like its politics or foreign policy, what the hell are you talking about, hahaha! I'm pointing out that the reason you're not supporting the French government's facilitating of Saudi Arabia's war crimes with your tax dollars is because you left not because you used France's democratic system to change it. I don't think you have any standing to tell anyone, let alone myself, anything about participating in the US bourgeois democratic system. You do whatever you want buddy. I am just pointing that your country offers you to participate to its public life, which is probably more productive if you care that much about its crimes abroad than ranting about marxist leninism on a starcraft website. We all need hobbies.
At last we do agree on something ^^
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On October 07 2020 03:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 02:56 Nevuk wrote:
So, COVID has now spread to the staff of Joint Chiefs of Staff, who are now all in quarantine aside from 1. Those are the heads of the US military, and important strategically in a way that Trump is not.
So, this may possibly be the weakest the US military has been in the past 157 years?
(Trump's only value militarily over Pence is as a figurehead to the non-officers loyal to him - he has 0 experience or expertise on diplomacy or war and is immensely unpopular among the officers).
Per reporters :
They're all just military advisors to the President. Trump has Pence as a replacement should he die or become incapacitated, and they too have deputies in their chain of command. Don't give me any of this "only value militarily over Pence." He's the elected President. A big value in that chain is treating civilian elected leadership the same regardless of personal popularity. It's like you're trying to hunt for some angle of attack for the Joint Chiefs quarantining after someone higher up in the Coast Guard tested positive. Give me some honest information that everyone below them are incompetent boobs or abandon the stupid "weakest the US military has been in the past 157 years." Did all the right-wingers trying this fearful bullshit under Obama just switch sides or something?
Trump vs Pence, I think we agree? I'm just saying I don't think they add strategic depth when compared to each other.
The reason Pence would be better right now is that he's not on mood-altering medications, but that's a slightly separate discussion.
And come on, you can't say that the subordinates are the exact same as the actual leaders. That's nonsense. We just lost collective decades of experience (or at least made access to it somewhat delayed and more difficult to get or relay).
WFH is fine for almost all jobs, but the JCOS? That is a job where seconds can matter. I'm not saying the subordinates will do a bad job, just that it will be a difference. There can be performance dips when handing off between commanders even when it is planned and done on a smaller scale.
I can't recall a time since 1861 or 63 when the US had so many of its top commanders go out of commission at once, thus my statement. Sure, our military is still waaaay stronger than it was then, but it's a massive relative collapse that hasn't been seen in a long time.
When RW made this argument under Obama, it was quite different. They painted intentional policy decisions that lowered the military budget or opened diplomatic channels with Iran as unintentionally harmful (and usually cast it as "debatably harmful", as in, the decisions were a risk but not assured, or at least the rational RW people did that) to national security.
This is an unintentional effect of a policy decision that is undebatably harmful to national security. We can debate how harmful, but surely it can't be denied that it is somewhat harmful to need to have all the JCOS working from home?
This is even discarding that all of our commanders now have a fairly high chance to contract a possibly deadly illness.
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This tweet has just caused the stock markets to collapse:
"I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business,"
Is Trump really trying to play highball and whip people into voting for him? 'After I win..."
How could this possibly work out in his favor? That is a truly desperate man!
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html
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On October 07 2020 04:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 04:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 07 2020 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] The US bullies (or tries) small and big countries all around the world. We have several hundred military bases in dozens of countries. There's literally no other country in the world that even comes close. You can combine several of the next biggest militaries in the world and still not be close. [quote] www.thenation.com + Show Spoiler +Yeah, great discovery, the US is by far the most powerful country in the world.
Second great discovery, countries do what profit them even if that's bad for other countries.
Does that tell us anything about the merit of the US system of government? Nop.
Is that likely to get better after your leninist revolution? Nop, actually powerful communist countries have been rather much worse.
Is there nothing you can do about it then? Congratulation, you live in a democracy. That means that you can have an influence on the politics of your country. Get involved, vote, convince and shit are gonna change. You say that like I personally didn't do that for more than a decade here. As if you have or despite not doing anything you're advising me to do (and me having done them for years) that you somehow have a better grasp of its practicality from your perch thousands of miles away. My god! You spent a decade involved in politics and didn't change the whole country. Man, I understand your disappointment with democracy. Well, bad news there are 250 million other folks to convince. It's gonna take a bit more than a decade of your time despite your outstanding convincing skills. I was more pointing out that you avoided the things you didn't like about France and preferred about other countries by just leaving, not using the (far more functional) liberal democracy to work for decades to change it. So you advising me to do it is comical. I didn't leave France because I didn't like its politics or foreign policy, what the hell are you talking about, hahaha! I'm pointing out that the reason you're not supporting the French government's facilitating of Saudi Arabia's war crimes with your tax dollars is because you left not because you used France's democratic system to change it. I don't think you have any standing to tell anyone, let alone myself, anything about participating in the US bourgeois democratic system. You do whatever you want buddy. I am just pointing that your country offers you to participate to its public life, which is probably more productive if you care that much about its crimes abroad than ranting about marxist leninism on a starcraft website. We all need hobbies. At last we do agree on something ^^
fwiw I don't resent your interest in US politics, it's your prescriptive diagnoses that I think are inappropriate.
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There are other reasons to leave other than that you don't like that homecountry x does y and your vote does not instantly change this...
Love, a job opportunity you don't want to miss, family etc...
And I know that it is said in political science and elsewhere that smaller political units are "better" at responding to voter input... though I speak from experience "at home" that there is a lot of room for improvement still.
Interesting thing is, Americans think they know a thing or two about "state rights". Try Austria, Switzerland or Germany 
On October 07 2020 04:29 Slydie wrote:This tweet has just caused the stock markets to collapse: "I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Is Trump really trying to play highball and whip people into voting for him? 'After I win..." How could this possibly work out in his favor? That is a truly desperate man! https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html
Oh boy... I think his political instinct that served him pretty well in 16' has lost him. That's exactly not what people want, they want and need help now. Before anything else.
Poll: 74 percent of voters want Senate to take on COVID-19 relief before SCOTUS nominee
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On October 07 2020 04:29 Slydie wrote:This tweet has just caused the stock markets to collapse: "I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Is Trump really trying to play highball and whip people into voting for him? 'After I win..." How could this possibly work out in his favor? That is a truly desperate man! https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html Leave the biggest possible mess for Biden so that the Republicans can try to win the mid-terms be claiming Biden screwed things up/didn't fix enough.
Not passing a stimulus bill in time to effect the election (likely already to late) anyway) is simply admitting you won't win anyway.
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On October 07 2020 04:29 Slydie wrote:This tweet has just caused the stock markets to collapse: "I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Is Trump really trying to play highball and whip people into voting for him? 'After I win..." How could this possibly work out in his favor? That is a truly desperate man! https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html
Great so no relief bill for at least a month. What a fucking cunt.
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I "enjoy" the implied threat there, which is that if Trump loses, there will be no further relief bill until Biden is sworn in.
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On October 07 2020 04:34 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 04:29 Slydie wrote:This tweet has just caused the stock markets to collapse: "I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Is Trump really trying to play highball and whip people into voting for him? 'After I win..." How could this possibly work out in his favor? That is a truly desperate man! https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html Great so no relief bill for at least a month. What a fucking cunt.
Only if Biden wins with an overwhelming lead on the election day. Else Trump will challenge it in any way he can.
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On October 07 2020 04:34 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2020 04:29 Slydie wrote:This tweet has just caused the stock markets to collapse: "I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Is Trump really trying to play highball and whip people into voting for him? 'After I win..." How could this possibly work out in his favor? That is a truly desperate man! https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html Great so no relief bill for at least a month. What a fucking cunt. why 1 month? Republicans have 0 reason to pass it when they lost (other then care about their fellow humans but if they did they would pass it yesterday).
This means no relief bill for atleast another 3 months, and possible never if the Dems don't win a majority in the Senate.
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I just don't understand. They literally ask us to accept people dying of covid because "the economy, the economy", and now they are basically saying fuck the economy because tons of business are going to close forever now. They want us to die and go out of business too.
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