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TheTenthDoc
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Fleetfeet
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 05 2020 02:42 Starlightsun wrote: Seems like it's safe to assume that we effectively have no one fulfilling presidential duties now? Perhaps it doesn't even matter considering that he doesn't even take his presidential briefings when healthy and is playing golf majority of the time. Every indication seems to be that Pence is being prepared to have to do as much, if the need arises. Not much of a surprise that the Vice President would be in that position given that he's next in line for succession here. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On October 05 2020 03:52 LegalLord wrote: Every indication seems to be that Pence is being prepared to have to do as much, if the need arises. Not much of a surprise that the Vice President would be in that position given that he's next in line for succession here. Also I have to imagine the better than 0 chance this moment (generically speaking) could come was not a small consideration when agreeing to be a sycophant VP for Trump. I don't think he wants to be a modern day Ford though? | ||
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Shingi11
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Danglars
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Gorsameth
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On October 05 2020 04:37 Danglars wrote: Considering Trump ticks basically every box in the 'risk' column I don't think speculations about how bad it is and if he might die are unreasonable. Even without the WH tripping over itself in giving inconsistent answers, especially with them giving inconsistent answers.Trump’s team screws up the optimistic messaging, and the media takes it and runs with it to suggest he’s incapable of carrying out duties or at deaths door. This is bad speculation from folks that just want to see Trump dead and gone before January. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8745 Posts
Oh, and wasn't Clinton literally dying at various stages four years ago for some people in the media? Just to put some perspective on that. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 05 2020 04:47 Doublemint wrote: Not that I particularly disagree with the speculation is bad angle, but you know what are you gonna do when you gotta run 24/7 news networks? Oh, and wasn't Clinton literally dying at various stages four years ago for some people in the media? Just to put some perspective on that. I mean the Fox guys were all over it, but lefties here were stanning hard for her health. Cable news networks are in it for the money and CNN and MSNBC need to please their viewers. Understandable from the networks, but a little quizzical for people repeating it here. | ||
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JimmiC
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Doublemint
Austria8745 Posts
What is boils down to is the speculation is precipitated by another unnecessary self inflicted wound. From Trump getting the virus to the conflicting messaging. People just like to gossip really, especially about others they can't stand. And Trump ticks way too many of those boxes. //edit: To be even more precise, him getting the virus IS also part of conflicting messaging in a sense. Hardly anyone is being affected by the "CHYNA PLAGUE" is just too much at odds with the most powerful leader in the world - with basically unlimited resources to minimize the risk - being flown into a state of the art military hospital. And being treated with state of the art - unreleased and unavailable for just about everyone else - therapeuticals. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
The campaign covering her illness up was probably a bigger story than her having the illness was (especially given how dramatic her fainting was). The story on Clinton was pretty similar, if you set aside entirely the seriousness of the two illnesses. It's comparing apples and oranges. Anyways, the way both Trump's people and Hillary's campaign managed their illnesses are pretty similar and pretty awful. The only mitigating factor for Hillary is that it truly wasn't something with a high likelihood of killing her. The fact that Trump has an illness that has a pretty good chance at killing him (which, as I've stated in the past, I am not in favor of. I think it better for the country as a whole that he be defeated at the ballot box and not the ICU) and the fact that his staff is covering up how serious the illness is, and that they are doing so very poorly, are three different but inter-related stories. I'm definitely interested in story 1, but story 2 is completely expected. The US has done it since at least Wilson. Story 3 is expected from the current clown circus running things, but I guess notable (and at times, darkly humorous). | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 05 2020 05:43 Nevuk wrote: The story on Clinton was pretty similar, if you set aside entirely the seriousness of the two illnesses. It's comparing apples and oranges. Anyways, the way both Trump's people and Hillary's campaign managed their illnesses are pretty similar and pretty awful. The only mitigating factor for Hillary is that it truly wasn't something with a high likelihood of killing her. I think the biggest difference is that she was merely a presidential candidate. This is the sitting head of state and no one knows if he is recovering or dying because the administration is keeping up with their habitual obfuscation and lies. I thought being stricken with covid might illicit some humbleness and honesty from Trump but nope. Must be interesting time for investors in the stock market right now. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On October 05 2020 05:18 Danglars wrote: I mean the Fox guys were all over it, but lefties here were stanning hard for her health. Cable news networks are in it for the money and CNN and MSNBC need to please their viewers. Understandable from the networks, but a little quizzical for people repeating it here. Trump especially was all over Clinton being ill. | ||
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Slydie
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On October 05 2020 05:43 Nevuk wrote: Pneumonia is somewhat serious in people Hillary's age, but nothing in comparison to COVID. There's even a term for what Clinton had, which is walking pneumonia, where the patient doesn't require hospitalization. Fatality among hospitalized cases is similar to COVID in that age group, but she didn't have a severe case. The campaign covering her illness up was probably a bigger story than her having the illness was (especially given how dramatic her fainting was). The story on Clinton was pretty similar, if you set aside entirely the seriousness of the two illnesses. It's comparing apples and oranges. Anyways, the way both Trump's people and Hillary's campaign managed their illnesses are pretty similar and pretty awful. The only mitigating factor for Hillary is that it truly wasn't something with a high likelihood of killing her. The fact that Trump has an illness that has a pretty good chance at killing him (which, as I've stated in the past, I am not in favor of. I think it better for the country as a whole that he be defeated at the ballot box and not the ICU) and the fact that his staff is covering up how serious the illness is, and that they are doing so very poorly, are three different but inter-related stories. I'm definitely interested in story 1, but story 2 is completely expected. The US has done it since at least Wilson. Story 3 is expected from the current clown circus running things, but I guess notable (and at times, darkly humorous). The already numerous scandals of Trump mishandling the virus he caught and the Rose Guarden event where the US political elite acted like drunk teenagers to start off the WH outbreak makes this story in a totally different league to the Hillary Clinton case, regardless of how Trump's health is. His polls are falling dramatically already. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8745 Posts
The truth eventually comes out anyway. Running a campaign is such a massive stressor that it's just a matter of time before it shows. What I don't really get is, and I mean I am not a doctor, how they can say that Trump might be able to leave on monday. Shouldn't they be more on the side of caution and have him there for at least a week to keep him under observation? That seems kinda early and rushed. At least if you are not a proponent of the Trump is just too damn fit school of thought lol. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On October 05 2020 03:07 JimmiC wrote: Can you explain why there is no chance of improvement without revolution? And also do you know how many revolutions have been successful at dramatic improvements for the people over a longer period of time? You often state these as if they are fact but I see little to no evidence that they are even likely let alone true. Also, what system is there that does away with bureaucrats? If anything they have the least authority in liberal democracies compared to everything else. What makes bureaucrats bad? And how would you purprose to get rid of them? Its not that theres no chance of improvement without a revolution, its just looking at American politics it looks INCREDIBLY unlikely that meaningful change will occur. We have one party of regressive psychopaths, and we have another party completely enamored with enabling the regressive psychopaths and both are spiraling downwards at a rate that inspires precisely no confidence. As someone who has grown up in American poverty, America has NOT improved as a place to live since I was born. I remember not having healthcare growing up, last time Ive been to the fuckin dentist was when I was about 9 years old, wealth inequality continues to grow more and more severely, climate change continues to be something that politicians think can be shrugged off as secondary, and during a global pandemic that has caused immense turmoil for the American population massive amounts of wealth have shifted upwards and the government has sent ONE fucking check for 1200 dollars and shows precisely no signs of caring any time soon. It shouldn't be hard to see that a lot of people are seeing the US Government as a universal failure, it has a hard time holding up what should be basic human rights (like the right to choose what one does with their own body, yet Roe v. Wade is imperiled) why should we put our faith in an entity that can barely manage to do a bare-assed minimum to suddenly, after 40+ years, begin to actually work for the people it hasn't worked for for decades? I'm not sure specifically about your life situation, but it must not feel particularly desperate. For a lot of Americans, our lives FEEL DESPERATE. That is where revolutions looks appealing, where we look in at our lives and out at the society around us and feel like we're at a breaking point where we have so little to lose the prospect of risking what we do have looks pretty appealing. Incidentally America was founded on a revolution, so maybe we just like our chances of it turning out in our favor.  | ||
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