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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On October 03 2020 01:17 Mohdoo wrote: This is the premise from which I ended up building my disdain for "never wish death on anyone". Presumably there's room for some sort of ambivalent neutrality, but I particularly am a bit taken aback by the well wishes from liberals on twitter. Worth mentioning he's more likely to win the election than die from covid afaik. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 03 2020 01:04 LegalLord wrote: It's very much possible to wish death on someone, especially a public figure, while being polite enough to say that you'd "never wish death on them" all the same. How common that is or isn't is absolutely up to interpretation, but it's very much a cultural taboo to openly state a death wish. It’s one of those good social virtues to never say it even if you believe it in that moment. I want that cultural taboo to persist and grow. Also, what’s said is out in the open, but what’s left unsaid can change in your own brain and later reevaluate whether you actually believe it upon reflection. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 03 2020 01:18 JimmiC wrote: Me too and then I'm hoping for a orange jumpsuit rather than a gown and a bunch of tubes. My fear would be his death igniting some sort of Martyrdom for stupidity. Or a bunch of momentum for Pence, or his children or something. I'd way rather he just got his ass handed to him in the election. I'm not convinced of this. I think Trump dying of something "natural" rather than being locked up is better for society. Trump being prosecuted and imprisoned by a legal system immediately invalidates the entirety of that legal system to about 30% of the country. That is a cultural fracture we can't deal with. We are better off having the dude who dissed on masks for 6 months die from not wearing a mask, from a cultural cohesion perspective. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Trump staying ill for a protracted length on time, on the other hand... | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
Edit: Grammar | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
If Trump's case remains mild, I'm not convinced this alters the fundamentals of the race that much. He loses out on rallies, almost certainly misses the second debate and probably the third debate and adds to a week of bad press, but voters' minds are so calcified and the race has remained remarkably steady throughout. A Biden voter or Biden-leaning person probably looks at this and has a bit of schadenfreude and will vote. A Trump voter or Trump-leaning person sees this and wishes him good health or thinks this is the Deep State out to get him, and will vote. Trump recovers, continues to project that macho energy he is campaigning on and maybe even garners a small bump in sympathy approval. Now, if Trump's case worsens and is incapacitated, or faces the worst case scenario, well, that is something far beyond my armchair political scientist mind to consider. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 03 2020 01:48 PhoenixVoid wrote: Joe and Jill Biden tested negative. If Trump's case remains mild, I'm not convinced this alters the fundamentals of the race that much. He loses out on rallies, almost certainly misses the second debate and probably the third debate and adds to a week of bad press, but voters' minds are so calcified and the race has remained remarkably steady throughout. A Biden voter or Biden-leaning person probably looks at this and has a bit of schadenfreude and will vote. A Trump voter or Trump-leaning person sees this and wishes him good health or thinks this is the Deep State out to get him, and will vote. Trump recovers, continues to project that macho energy he is campaigning on and maybe even garners a small bump in sympathy approval. Now, if Trump's case worsens and is incapacitated, or faces the worst case scenario, well, that is something far beyond my armchair political scientist mind to consider. Wonderful news. I'm hoping Trump at least has symptoms for about a week so that 2 weeks of quarantine removes the 3rd debate. I'd say the second debate is almost guaranteed cancelled at this point. Democrats have nothing to gain from having additional debates. At this point in the race, the safest thing is to empty the bank on extreme advertising pushes and play it safe. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2790 Posts
His base would eat it up, they won't give a shit about doctors telling them it's impossible. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
I'm hoping Trump survives in reasonable health. He needs to face the music and having him die at this stage has consequences far beyond what I'm qualified to speculate on. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 03 2020 01:48 PhoenixVoid wrote: Joe and Jill Biden tested negative. If Trump's case remains mild, I'm not convinced this alters the fundamentals of the race that much. He loses out on rallies, almost certainly misses the second debate and probably the third debate and adds to a week of bad press, but voters' minds are so calcified and the race has remained remarkably steady throughout. A Biden voter or Biden-leaning person probably looks at this and has a bit of schadenfreude and will vote. A Trump voter or Trump-leaning person sees this and wishes him good health or thinks this is the Deep State out to get him, and will vote. Trump recovers, continues to project that macho energy he is campaigning on and maybe even garners a small bump in sympathy approval. Now, if Trump's case worsens and is incapacitated, or faces the worst case scenario, well, that is something far beyond my armchair political scientist mind to consider. They've tested negative for now. If Trump did infect Biden it might well take a few more days (possibly up to 5 more) before Biden would build up enough of a viral load to test positive. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 03 2020 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: They've tested negative for now. If Trump did infect Biden it might well take a few more days (possibly up to 5 more) before Biden would build up enough of a viral load to test positive. Depends how the test was done. If they showed up to a university, a test could be done very quickly with insane accuracy. When you only need to test 1 person and cost is irrelevant, all of the typical constraints of testing vanish. Molecular biology conducted by a laboratory of PhDs is significantly more capable than test kits. Edit: Also, I think people are completely nuts for saying Pence is worse. Trump's major damage has been entirely cultural. I would say the pain Trump has inflicted on minorities is mostly cultural compared to what he's done through legislation. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 03 2020 02:06 Danglars wrote: I needed the takes of Trump’s bad but Pence’s worse coming into this weekend. You’ve had four years of Trump, but Pence would be worse. It puts all the Trump rhetoric into perspective. The same people saying this and that about Trump think his VP would be worse for the country. I'd tend to agree that the "Trump is bad, but Pence is worse" take is a terrible take. The policy stuff on immigration, abortion, and other hot-button issues would be very similar regardless of whether Pence or Trump is president. But Pence is enough of a conventional politician to avoid most of the norm-breaking, pro-autocracy, democratic backsliding type stuff like refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power, which right off the bat makes him a much less damaging president than Trump. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 03 2020 02:18 Erasme wrote: Pence doesn't have the same fanaticism behind him. But i'm glad that thinking "Hitler would be worse" gives you a moral justification to vote for Trump. Exactly, Pence isn't some sort of Cletus rebirth movement. He just hates gays and abortion. Both are losing issues that are going nowhere. Barrett will allow red states to outlaw abortions, but it won't have anything to do with Pence. The US has totally moved past being dicks to gay people using government. They're not touching gay marriage. And that's basically all Pence is other than the classic "EPA is a poopoo face waaaa" Republican dogma. | ||
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