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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 11:34 GMT
#53821
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 11:38:02
October 02 2020 11:36 GMT
#53822
Assuming he survives, I see two directions this goes.

"See? It was just a flu. HCQ is tremendous!"

"They said I had the worstest case of Chinavirus they'd ever seen. They said sir, I can't believe how healthy you had to be to survive this. Good thing Hillary isn't president, she would have died. What if Sleepy Joe gets it?"

Probably both at once, actually.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12022 Posts
October 02 2020 11:55 GMT
#53823
On October 02 2020 20:30 Slydie wrote:
I can't see any good reason to lie about catching Covid. Trump was bragging shamelessly about a previous negative test, and I can't see how going in quarantine and showing "weakness" by testing positive can be beneficial for his campaign. I doubt he can get many pity votes.

Maybe some evil plot about him magically recovering without any symptoms, but even that seems far fetched, and if he indeed gets sick, that theory goes out the window.


There were never any good reasons for Trump lying, except to lie so much that people lose track of all the lies, and somehow then all the lies aren't a problem anymore.

In a sane world, that wouldn't work. But somehow half the US has moved into a post-factual society where it inexplicably doesn't matter if something is true or not.

Statistically, when Trump says something, it is more likely a lie than not. He doesn't need reasons for lying.

And i can totally see him say something stupid like "look, i had covid, and i am fine, it really wasn't a problem, really nothing more than a flu" after lying about having it.

His strategies don't make sense to sane people, and they shouldn't work. But somehow they do. A country shouldn't elect someone who is obviously constantly lying, absurdly incompetent, a boorish bully AND also corrupt. Yet here we are. American politics have removed themselves from making any sense whatsoever with Trumps election.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
October 02 2020 12:01 GMT
#53824
On October 02 2020 20:55 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 20:30 Slydie wrote:
I can't see any good reason to lie about catching Covid. Trump was bragging shamelessly about a previous negative test, and I can't see how going in quarantine and showing "weakness" by testing positive can be beneficial for his campaign. I doubt he can get many pity votes.

Maybe some evil plot about him magically recovering without any symptoms, but even that seems far fetched, and if he indeed gets sick, that theory goes out the window.


There were never any good reasons for Trump lying, except to lie so much that people lose track of all the lies, and somehow then all the lies aren't a problem anymore.

In a sane world, that wouldn't work. But somehow half the US has moved into a post-factual society where it inexplicably doesn't matter if something is true or not.

Statistically, when Trump says something, it is more likely a lie than not. He doesn't need reasons for lying.

And i can totally see him say something stupid like "look, i had covid, and i am fine, it really wasn't a problem, really nothing more than a flu" after lying about having it.

His strategies don't make sense to sane people, and they shouldn't work. But somehow they do. A country shouldn't elect someone who is obviously constantly lying, absurdly incompetent, a boorish bully AND also corrupt. Yet here we are. American politics have removed themselves from making any sense whatsoever with Trumps election.

Indeed. If he was well, Trump but ruthlessly competent I could see people tolerating it in a dirty cop ‘I don’t like his methods but damn he gets the job done’, but he is just terrible across many metrics
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 12:17:17
October 02 2020 12:05 GMT
#53825
On October 02 2020 20:08 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 19:53 Trainrunnef wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:
At this point I'm not even sure that this isn't some sort of PR gag so that Trump can say in a week or 2 that covid is no problem and he was right from the beginning...

I mean, do you guys honestly believe a word Trump and his administration say or do?


I demand to see Trump's long-form covid certificate.

But in all seriousness, I don't think they're lying about this. That would require an insane conspiracy with too many people staying silent. It would easily leak if this were all a stunt... right?


Yeah I really doubt Trump could initiate a conspiracy given the number of people around him who will get fired/already hate him.
He can't even say something stupid and horrible like 'gas and maim the immigrants at border' without people coming out and reporting on it later.


Others will do it for him claiming assassination attempts from the left. I guarantee it.

Assassinating with a hoax will be a first!

Things I'm going to look out for is, how does this effect China, Trump has been putting on the full court blame China effort I can only see that intensifying.

Does this slow down the court appointment? Unlikely but maybe it is a distraction

Does he ask for extra time in regards to not only the election itself but also the debates? Or does Pence fill in?

Is this the moment to save face and step aside? Perhaps witht he full blame on China and the "left".



Is this the moment to save face and step aside? Perhaps witht he full blame on China and the "left".

If he wanted out (or if the republican establishment wanted him out) then this would be a decent excuse i guess but it seems unlikely to me. Trump announcing he will withdraw because of health problems? it doesnt realy fit his character.
I dont think its a hoax but this timing with 1 month to go.


iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 02 2020 12:17 GMT
#53826
On October 02 2020 21:05 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 20:08 JimmiC wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:53 Trainrunnef wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:
At this point I'm not even sure that this isn't some sort of PR gag so that Trump can say in a week or 2 that covid is no problem and he was right from the beginning...

I mean, do you guys honestly believe a word Trump and his administration say or do?


I demand to see Trump's long-form covid certificate.

But in all seriousness, I don't think they're lying about this. That would require an insane conspiracy with too many people staying silent. It would easily leak if this were all a stunt... right?


Yeah I really doubt Trump could initiate a conspiracy given the number of people around him who will get fired/already hate him.
He can't even say something stupid and horrible like 'gas and maim the immigrants at border' without people coming out and reporting on it later.


Others will do it for him claiming assassination attempts from the left. I guarantee it.

Assassinating with a hoax will be a first!

Things I'm going to look out for is, how does this effect China, Trump has been putting on the full court blame China effort I can only see that intensifying.

Does this slow down the court appointment? Unlikely but maybe it is a distraction

Does he ask for extra time in regards to not only the election itself but also the debates? Or does Pence fill in?

Is this the moment to save face and step aside? Perhaps witht he full blame on China and the "left".



Is this the moment to save face and step aside? Perhaps witht he full blame on China and the "left".

If he wanted out (or if the republican establishment wanted him out) then this would be a decent excuse i guess but it seems unlikely to me. Trump announcing he will withdraw because of health problems? it doesnt realy fit his character.
I dont think its a hoax and i am not really surprised that he got the disease eventually but this timing with 1 month to go.
Seeing how the disease typically progresses in man with his age and posture it could take weeks unless he has a mild variation.

This year just keeps on getting crazier.


Never in a billion years will Trump concede. The idea of losing probably never crosses his mind.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
October 02 2020 12:19 GMT
#53827
When everyone here is wildly speculating how it continues, here is my expectation: They throw a test at him every hour until one says Corona negative. Then he proclaims he has easily beaten it,nothing to worry about, 2 days was all it took and continues his rallies and campaign.
I simply don't see him quarantined for 2 weeks.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8195 Posts
October 02 2020 12:31 GMT
#53828
On October 02 2020 21:19 mahrgell wrote:
When everyone here is wildly speculating how it continues, here is my expectation: They throw a test at him every hour until one says Corona negative. Then he proclaims he has easily beaten it,nothing to worry about, 2 days was all it took and continues his rallies and campaign.
I simply don't see him quarantined for 2 weeks.

That only works if he has a very mild case. But it's certainly a credible scenario.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
October 02 2020 12:32 GMT
#53829
I don't think there's any way that this helps Trump, so I don't mind how it shakes out specifically.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28906 Posts
October 02 2020 12:47 GMT
#53830
If he has a really mild case I think it ends up neutral/slightly positive for him. If he gets seriously ill then it's really bad (for Trump).
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 12:52:14
October 02 2020 12:51 GMT
#53831
A mild case that prompts Trump to say stuff that belittles the experiences of everyone who knows someone hit hard will not help him, particularly not with anyone on the fence regarding whether to vote or not.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 13:03 GMT
#53832
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 13:13:15
October 02 2020 13:11 GMT
#53833
Keep in mind, Trump's last two doctors had some very unpleasant experiences. One was nominated for a position they were totally unqualified for, and wound up being investigated for totally unrelated misconduct afterwards (passing out pills like candy and being drunk and disorderly). The other was threatened into signing off on a letter Trump dictated and later had all files on Trump forcibly taken from his office by Trump's goons (Michael Cohen's people - not the Secret Service or any public officials, which would have been fine).

Being willing to lie about Trump's health seems to come before anything else for him in doctors.

So, remember the notion that he is going to have the best medical care? A dr went on fox and friends and said the following :

“Our president is constitutionally incredibly strong. He operates more like a 45-year-old than a 74-year-old in terms of his stamina,” “He has no underlying comorbidities. He will naturally resolve this quickly.”


So I think she's just sent in her application for the job. She's a sleep specialist who does have a degree in pulmonology, so who knows?
I'm sure he'll have good medical care, but I dispute that it'll be notably better than that of the average person in the US with insurance.


Ahmed said that U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson was moved to intensive care for three days when he contracted the coronavirus in June. Noting that world leaders are treated differently from the average patient, Ahmed said “we must not panic” if Trump is moved to an area of higher monitoring: If Trump is moved to an “intensive care unit setting, [it] does not mean that Trump is critically ill,” she explained.

The doctor said that “you can guarantee” the White House is considering administering the therapeutic drug remdesivir to the president, as well as convalescent plasma.

“Even with mild symptoms?” Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade asked.

“This is the president. The goal is to bring him to PCR negative as soon as possible,” Ahmed said, noting the importance of having a president who is not carrying a potentially deadly infection.
After declaring that the president will overcome the virus quickly, Ahmed said therapeutics “can accelerate that. That will be the enormous focus on his advisors in terms of his position today.”

The doctor argued that Trump’s medical advisers will seek to accelerate his quarantine, predicting it will last for ten days instead of the recommended 14. “He needs to be on the move,” she said.

Ahmed told Fox & Friends that the virus has evolved since the start of the pandemic to be less deadly.

“I’m extremely confident that the president will resolve this,” she said. “And in a few days, we’ll be talking about his PCR test coming back negative.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/doctor-on-fox-news-says-trump-will-resolve-this-quickly-he-is-constitutionally-incredibly-strong/
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22647 Posts
October 02 2020 13:18 GMT
#53834
On October 02 2020 22:03 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 21:17 iamthedave wrote:
On October 02 2020 21:05 pmh wrote:
On October 02 2020 20:08 JimmiC wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:53 Trainrunnef wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 02 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:
At this point I'm not even sure that this isn't some sort of PR gag so that Trump can say in a week or 2 that covid is no problem and he was right from the beginning...

I mean, do you guys honestly believe a word Trump and his administration say or do?


I demand to see Trump's long-form covid certificate.

But in all seriousness, I don't think they're lying about this. That would require an insane conspiracy with too many people staying silent. It would easily leak if this were all a stunt... right?


Yeah I really doubt Trump could initiate a conspiracy given the number of people around him who will get fired/already hate him.
He can't even say something stupid and horrible like 'gas and maim the immigrants at border' without people coming out and reporting on it later.


Others will do it for him claiming assassination attempts from the left. I guarantee it.

Assassinating with a hoax will be a first!

Things I'm going to look out for is, how does this effect China, Trump has been putting on the full court blame China effort I can only see that intensifying.

Does this slow down the court appointment? Unlikely but maybe it is a distraction

Does he ask for extra time in regards to not only the election itself but also the debates? Or does Pence fill in?

Is this the moment to save face and step aside? Perhaps witht he full blame on China and the "left".



Is this the moment to save face and step aside? Perhaps witht he full blame on China and the "left".

If he wanted out (or if the republican establishment wanted him out) then this would be a decent excuse i guess but it seems unlikely to me. Trump announcing he will withdraw because of health problems? it doesnt realy fit his character.
I dont think its a hoax and i am not really surprised that he got the disease eventually but this timing with 1 month to go.
Seeing how the disease typically progresses in man with his age and posture it could take weeks unless he has a mild variation.

This year just keeps on getting crazier.


Never in a billion years will Trump concede. The idea of losing probably never crosses his mind.


I disagree, I think he is extremely insecure and he could not handle losing. Pulling out because of "health" or deepstate, so something seems quite plausible to me.

Him conceding in the traditional sense though I agree would never happen.
pulling out because of health shows weakness, which is unacceptable for his narcissism.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
October 02 2020 13:28 GMT
#53835
Trump's mistake was clearly being tested for coronavirus. Never forget that if you don't get tested, you can't have coronavirus!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10006 Posts
October 02 2020 13:32 GMT
#53836
Meanwhile republicans are furious that rather than waking up at 4am to wish Trump well, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris had the nerve to be asleep last night.
RIP Meatloaf <3
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 13:39 GMT
#53837
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
October 02 2020 13:49 GMT
#53838
On October 02 2020 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Meanwhile republicans are furious that rather than waking up at 4am to wish Trump well, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris had the nerve to be asleep last night.
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1312005706820784129


I'd be more ticked off if Biden/Harris actually gave a sympathetic message to the Trumps without at least getting in a "The world told you so / are you taking this pandemic seriously now / go drink a bleach+HCQ cocktail" remark.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 02 2020 14:06 GMT
#53839
On October 02 2020 22:39 JimmiC wrote:
In democrats defense they don't have the "thoughts and prayers" copy pasta loaded on word pad for just such a occasion.

Also why would anyone be nice to Trump he has.already said how many over the line things with Biden, birtherism racist bullshit with Harris. What wacky world do they live in when they think they should kindly reach out?

Can you imagine Trump if Biden got it? Sleepy Joe is weak, won't Make it until my Vaccine stops the chinese cold before the election. Better vote Trump I'm in just tremendous Shape, strongest, Healthiest president ever. They have said I'm far stronger than Obama, and Never forget Ben Gazi. Also hilarys emails are really bad and likely behind the job loss"

Actually... Biden literally sent a tweet about thoughts and prayers.



GOP Chair Ronna Romney McDaniel has also tested positive for COVID, according to NYT. We may see it spread like wildfire through GOP ranks based on how freely Trump and his associates traveled with them.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/02/us/trump-vs-biden#ronna-mcdaniel-chairwoman-of-the-rnc-tests-positive-for-the-coronavirus
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 14:09 GMT
#53840
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