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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19352 Posts
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Zidane
United States1689 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19352 Posts
On September 29 2020 04:16 Zidane wrote: Basically yes, you are counting on them to be accurate until the source is verified by the leak being presented to other news sources. So other news sources have the opportunity to review the information given to the NY Times under confidentiality? | ||
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 29 2020 04:33 Introvert wrote: Apparently the question of "who are Trump's creditors" is easily answered. https://twitter.com/AndyGrewal/status/1310346536623144960 The inclusion and magnitude of Deutsche bank make me consider this a giant, enormous issue. It is important to keep in mind an ambassador would not be allowed to have this sort of liability. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On September 29 2020 04:38 Mohdoo wrote: The inclusion and magnitude of Deutsche bank make me consider this a giant, enormous issue. It is important to keep in mind an ambassador would not be allowed to have this sort of liability. Good thing he's not an ambassador! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
@GH if you could Model the US after a existing country which would it be that you would think would solve or be best able to solve the issues you see? The question is fundamentally flawed on many levels. - The US is uniquely positioned economically in the world so the implications of even more minor (but still significant) changes are dramatically different from something like the Mondragon Cooperative (which has many elements I think could/should be a guide in many ways, even if temporarily) which has orders of magnitude less global impact - The US is positioned uniquely geographically/access to natural resources which brings its own sets of advantages and challenges. - The US is positioned uniquely militarily. Both in our expansive global presence and general economic investment. Changing that requires considerations that aren't well reflected in any other place or time. That's just a quick summary of a few of them. The last one being a very important one, seeing as how critical anti-imperialism is and how alone the US is in scale and scope there. That's not American Exceptionalism, but recognition of the material conditions. As such, any coherent plan/strategy is going to incorporate ideas from many different countries, modified versions for conditions in the US, and aspects that simply don't/haven't existed elsewhere because we're building something new. Just as the founding/practice of US democracy is an experiment combining ideas of the ancient, contemporary, and modern world, not an imitation of a single country. Just to give a quick "for instance" what the US does about the military industrial complex isn't something we can simply copy paste from anywhere else in the world. Energy is another big one where either dependence on geological features and/or colonized nations (as well as plenty of other factors) means we can't just imitate other Nordic countries or that it is necessarily desirable or sustainable. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 29 2020 04:38 Mohdoo wrote: The inclusion and magnitude of Deutsche bank make me consider this a giant, enormous issue. It is important to keep in mind an ambassador would not be allowed to have this sort of liability. If we're talking about debt keep in mind that the electorate was fully informed that trump owed hundreds of millions, and I think even the deutche bank detail has been known. But the voters chose trump nonetheless. The threads quickness to assume nefarious criminality here is just a vestige of the deranged McCarthyism that has afflicted the left for the past 3.5 years. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:00 Doodsmack wrote: If we're talking about debt keep in mind that the electorate was fully informed that trump owed hundreds of millions, and I think even the deutche bank detail has been known. But the voters chose trump nonetheless. Can you clarify what exactly this means to you? Are you saying that public opinion on an issue makes that view true? I am sure I don't need to list off instances in time where this would be problematic to say. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:00 Doodsmack wrote: If we're talking about debt keep in mind that the electorate was fully informed that trump owed hundreds of millions, and I think even the deutche bank detail has been known. But the voters chose trump nonetheless. The threads quickness to assume nefarious criminality here is just a vestige of the deranged McCarthyism that has afflicted the left for the past 3.5 years. I'm convinced doodsmack sold his account to xdaunt lol | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm convinced doodsmack sold his account to xdaunt lol When I see him say "y'all on the left don't get it", I'll be more fully convinced. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 29 2020 03:02 Nouar wrote: Seriously you have the bipartisan senate committee, and the house as well I believe, and the IC, and nearly every agency you can name, that asserted even a few months ago, that there HAS BEEN interference from the russian government into the US election, both ways, but mostly favoring Trump (as he was the underdog at that time). And you are still waiting for the Durham report that is not even looking at Russian interference but on the FBI investigation ? (and the Biden son finances, it seems, and whatever suits his minds though he is NOT a special counsel). Way to go ! And it is leaking as hell, as a prosecutor should only announce indictments or nothing while the investigation is in progress, surely not tidbits from the investigation like it was done last week. Even Mueller was more fireproof. But Barr... Do you remember a FBI director that was supposedly fired for doing that just before the previous election ? Really funny to see you trust only one investigation out of XX. It's almost as if you are only interested in the results that suit you, which is exactly what "leftists" are accused of. Regarding Trump, his tax returns should be taken with a grain of salt, these are obviously fixed and illegal tax returns. There's no way in hell he lost that much money and is not bankrupt yet. He just has a master-class team of accountants that make it look like so to the IRS. That does not represent the truth. I'm skeptical of certain investigations because of the facts and the documents. There's very good reason to be skeptical. And I'm mostly skepticL of its origination - I don't deny that mueller and rubio's senate committee (btw Rubio was the first party to hire fusion GPS before it was handed off to Hillary) were able to dig in and find some grifting and shadiness. But that cannot justify the investigation, in the US anyway. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm convinced doodsmack sold his account to xdaunt lol Lol but wouldn't you actually agree with the bolded? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:10 Doodsmack wrote: Lol but wouldn't you actually agree with the bolded? I mean more or less regarding Russia and "criminality" rather than "morally bankrupt, but legal enough". But I also remember you being one of the loudest "McCarthyites" for a while, so it's a bit of a striking 180 is all. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm convinced doodsmack sold his account to xdaunt lol I'm starting to get there as well. Not xdaunt specifically, but someone on the right. Talks like a totally different person now, and people who change their views tend to do it gradually rather than all at once like this (and there are different speech patterns and cadences as well). On September 29 2020 04:23 BisuDagger wrote: So other news sources have the opportunity to review the information given to the NY Times under confidentiality? Yes, generally speaking. If the story were false, it would've fallen apart by now. Bad anonymously sourced stories DO happen, but they're usually disproved within 4-5 hours of the initial story (one of the major news sources had some issues in the Spring, iirc), especially if they're over hard facts like this. Trump could easily release the non-damning parts of his taxes to disprove it if it were wrong, and he hasn't done so. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:22 Nevuk wrote: I'm starting to get there as well. Not xdaunt specifically, but someone on the right. Talks like a totally different person now, and people who change their views tend to do it gradually rather than all at once like this (and there are different speech patterns and cadences as well). Yes, generally speaking. If the story were false, it would've fallen apart by now. Bad anonymously sourced stories DO happen, but they're usually disproved within 4-5 hours of the initial story (one of the major news sources had some issues in the Spring, iirc), especially if they're over hard facts like this. Trump could easily release the non-damning parts of his taxes to disprove it if it were wrong, and he hasn't done so. I think I really have just changed on one issue which is the collusion investigation/trump hatred, and that's probably all I talk about in here so it seems like a total change or something. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Trumps Doral Golf course is conveniently located in Doral, a city which was propped up by corrupt Venezuelan money. He also has multiple Trump Towers where all the Russians live in Florida called Sunny Isles. Here's an article talking about how Russians flocked his Towers in Sunny Isles, etc.. to give birth to US Citizens. https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens I personally think there's definitely been shady shit going on around Trump properties in South Florida. We all know that Miami is a tax haven for the ultra rich outside of the US thanks to Panama Papers. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On September 29 2020 04:57 GreenHorizons wrote: -snip- Energy is another big one where either dependence on geological features and/or colonized nations (as well as plenty of other factors) means we can't just imitate other Nordic countries or that it is necessarily desirable or sustainable. Sorry for the shortening the post a little, but had to just post a small note regarding this. The biggest reason why US couldn't imitate Nordic countries is because US citizens don't trust each other nor the state. Which is the most important part of why the Nordic countries are able to have the policies they have. Without trust, the system falls apart. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26799 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:10 Doodsmack wrote: Lol but wouldn't you actually agree with the bolded? People have their own views on this, I tend to align with GH here in conceding Trump isn’t necessarily guilty of any wholesale transgressions of the law, but that he isn’t is more a damning indictment of how the law and enforcement thereof works. While I can’t really comment on voters and why they voted, I’m pretty sure Trump’s entire brand was on being some billionaire business genius, and yes debt isn’t a big deal there as it’s a part of doing business big or small. Not that it’s a spider’s web of tax dodges, loans and remortgaging of profitable enterprises to prop up a whole house of cards that looks rather precarious. Not that it’s a fraudulent intent from Trump, if anything I think it’s a pure ego thing to conceal how wealthy he actually is or isn’t. Not to mention all the conflicts of interest this all potentially brings into place. | ||
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