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On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat.
He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses?
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On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive.
He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia.
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On September 28 2020 23:21 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2020 22:49 iamthedave wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
The big part of this is this will destroy the one thing the Donald has done well, create a myth that he is a good business man. His two successes revolved around it the apprentice and being president.
His actual businesses have with incredible consistency failed. Atlantic City casinos, USFL, vodka, steaks, mattresses, New York real-estate, Trump University, even his charity.
It will be incredibly hard for him to claim the myth of being a great business man when you pay 750 in taxes back to back years. It means either you are horrible, you cheat or both.
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. I think you'll be surprised by the spin capabilities of people. This is nothing left-leaning people didn't already suspect or know, and nothing right-leaning people who've embraced Trump will care about. According to Danglars Trump is now an iconic President for future generations because he elected Conservative justices to the Supreme Court. I sincerely doubt he's unique in that perspective on the subject. Perhaps I’m being overly generous, I read that post more that his advisors should tell him that this would make him and icon to appeal to his ego and push him in that direction (which makes sense given its Trump) over him actually being an icon in Danglars’ opinion.
Missed the part where I said “conceding once the votes are in.”
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On September 29 2020 00:08 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2020 23:21 WombaT wrote:On September 28 2020 22:49 iamthedave wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
The big part of this is this will destroy the one thing the Donald has done well, create a myth that he is a good business man. His two successes revolved around it the apprentice and being president.
His actual businesses have with incredible consistency failed. Atlantic City casinos, USFL, vodka, steaks, mattresses, New York real-estate, Trump University, even his charity.
It will be incredibly hard for him to claim the myth of being a great business man when you pay 750 in taxes back to back years. It means either you are horrible, you cheat or both.
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. I think you'll be surprised by the spin capabilities of people. This is nothing left-leaning people didn't already suspect or know, and nothing right-leaning people who've embraced Trump will care about. According to Danglars Trump is now an iconic President for future generations because he elected Conservative justices to the Supreme Court. I sincerely doubt he's unique in that perspective on the subject. Perhaps I’m being overly generous, I read that post more that his advisors should tell him that this would make him and icon to appeal to his ego and push him in that direction (which makes sense given its Trump) over him actually being an icon in Danglars’ opinion. Missed the part where I said “conceding once the votes are in.”
That I did, granted I was referring more specifically to the ‘icon’ part of the post, apologies.
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On September 28 2020 23:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive. He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia.
Even the NYT said there's no evidence of connections to Russia in the tax returns. The Russia obsession has been debunked by now.
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On September 29 2020 00:34 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2020 23:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive. He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia. Even the NYT said there's no evidence of connections to Russia in the tax returns. The Russia obsession has been debunked by now. we've been over this. there is no connection, except for the connections we know about.
Besides, do his tax returns list who Trump is indebted to?
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On September 29 2020 00:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2020 00:34 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2020 23:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive. He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia. Even the NYT said there's no evidence of connections to Russia in the tax returns. The Russia obsession has been debunked by now. we've been over this. there is no connection, except for the connections we know about. Besides, do his tax returns list who Trump is indebted to?
Yes there's (anonymous) Russian money parked in his Florida condo buildings, Paul manafort was a grifter, and Don Jr was subjected to a Fusion GPS sting in trump tower. Again, the McCarthyism has been debunked.
As for his debt, we've known for years that he owes hundreds of millions to Deutsche Bank. And no that’s not automatically criminal or connected to Russian intelligence.
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Does anyone with a better understanding of large number banking have any perspective on this 400M? From my ignorant view, this appears to be unbelievably risky debt for the lender, which makes me think it is intended to serve as a form of leverage/blackmail. I am but an ignorant chemist, so I won't pretend to know what this means. I'm assuming Trump could just sell his buildings if he ran out of money, right? I don't really understand.
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I don't understand how you're even eligible to become POTUS without any serious vetting into your finances. Even the staunchest Trump defender could possibly say that being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt isn't a huge liability.
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On September 29 2020 02:36 sickStrings wrote:
I don't understand how you're even eligible to become POTUS without any serious vetting into your finances. Even the staunchest Trump defender could possibly say that being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt isn't a huge liability.
His debts would disqualify him from being an ambassador, lol
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On September 29 2020 02:36 sickStrings wrote:
I don't understand how you're even eligible to become POTUS without any serious vetting into your finances. Even the staunchest Trump defender could possibly say that being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt isn't a huge liability.
"The voters will be enough to determine who is worthy to lead them" ?
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On September 29 2020 02:28 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2020 01:47 Doodsmack wrote:On September 29 2020 00:37 Gorsameth wrote:On September 29 2020 00:34 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2020 23:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive. He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia. Even the NYT said there's no evidence of connections to Russia in the tax returns. The Russia obsession has been debunked by now. we've been over this. there is no connection, except for the connections we know about. Besides, do his tax returns list who Trump is indebted to? Yes there's (anonymous) Russian money parked in his Florida condo buildings, Paul manafort was a grifter, and Don Jr was subjected to a Fusion GPS sting in trump tower. Again, the McCarthyism has been debunked. As for his debt, we've known for years that he owes hundreds of millions to Deutsche Bank. And no that’s not automatically criminal or connected to Russian intelligence. I think that I agree with you that it is FAR more likely that Trump is a useful idiot for Russia than an asset. But lets not act as if it is not proven that Russia actively worked to make Trump the President. Would you agree that it is now completely debunked that he is a good businessman? If you disagree can you please explain why.
Personally I am withholding judgment on whether russia favored trump until I see durhams work product. At the very least we know that there were dissenting opinions within the IC.
Regarding trump as a businessman, he certainly has done more than the average businessman. He does own outright hundrends of millions in assets although he of course did all this with his father's money. I would not automatically take his debt load to be a bad thing in business, although considering trumps history with debt and resulting bankruptcy, I woukdnt rule out a personal bankruptcy in the future (which is the one thing he was always able to avoid although only because of loana from family members).
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On September 29 2020 02:52 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2020 02:28 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2020 01:47 Doodsmack wrote:On September 29 2020 00:37 Gorsameth wrote:On September 29 2020 00:34 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2020 23:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive. He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia. Even the NYT said there's no evidence of connections to Russia in the tax returns. The Russia obsession has been debunked by now. we've been over this. there is no connection, except for the connections we know about. Besides, do his tax returns list who Trump is indebted to? Yes there's (anonymous) Russian money parked in his Florida condo buildings, Paul manafort was a grifter, and Don Jr was subjected to a Fusion GPS sting in trump tower. Again, the McCarthyism has been debunked. As for his debt, we've known for years that he owes hundreds of millions to Deutsche Bank. And no that’s not automatically criminal or connected to Russian intelligence. I think that I agree with you that it is FAR more likely that Trump is a useful idiot for Russia than an asset. But lets not act as if it is not proven that Russia actively worked to make Trump the President. Would you agree that it is now completely debunked that he is a good businessman? If you disagree can you please explain why. Personally I am withholding judgment on whether russia favored trump until I see durhams work product. At the very least we know that there were dissenting opinions within the IC. Regarding trump as a businessman, he certainly has done more than the average businessman. He does own outright hundrends of millions in assets although he of course did all this with his father's money. I would not automatically take his debt load to be a bad thing in business, although considering trumps history with debt and resulting bankruptcy, I woukdnt rule out a personal bankruptcy in the future (which is the one thing he was always able to avoid although only because of loana from family members).
Seriously you have the bipartisan senate committee, and the house as well I believe, and the IC, and nearly every agency you can name, that asserted even a few months ago, that there HAS BEEN interference from the russian government into the US election, both ways, but mostly favoring Trump (as he was the underdog at that time).
And you are still waiting for the Durham report that is not even looking at Russian interference but on the FBI investigation ? (and the Biden son finances, it seems, and whatever suits his minds though he is NOT a special counsel).
Way to go !
And it is leaking as hell, as a prosecutor should only announce indictments or nothing while the investigation is in progress, surely not tidbits from the investigation like it was done last week. Even Mueller was more fireproof. But Barr...
Do you remember a FBI director that was supposedly fired for doing that just before the previous election ?
Really funny to see you trust only one investigation out of XX. It's almost as if you are only interested in the results that suit you, which is exactly what "leftists" are accused of.
Regarding Trump, his tax returns should be taken with a grain of salt, these are obviously fixed and illegal tax returns. There's no way in hell he lost that much money and is not bankrupt yet. He just has a master-class team of accountants that make it look like so to the IRS. That does not represent the truth.
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Honestly, the existence of a determined effort to deter people from voting in itself is horrible. Another effect of the wonderful FPTP system, where you don't have to look good to get elected. Getting people who would have voted for the other guy to not vote is as good as getting someone to vote for yourself. It is so broken and perverse.
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On September 29 2020 03:06 Simberto wrote:Honestly, the existence of a determined effort to deter people from voting in itself is horrible. Another effect of the wonderful FPTP system, where you don't have to look good to get elected. Getting people who would have voted for the other guy to not vote is as good as getting someone to vote for yourself. It is so broken and perverse.
It really isn't shameful enough that with all the resources and political dominance Democrats have had over the last 60 years, they failed to increase democratic participation in any significant way.
So much time, money, effort, and policy concessions have been given for a handful of "undecided/independent" voters that come and go election to election instead of devoting those resources and concessions to the 10's of millions of people that basically already agree with them to get those potential voters motivated to support them/vote.
The idea those people can't be convinced to participate and so it's more reasonable to appeal to Trump voters (by repeating ad nauseum how corrupt he is/appealing to 'centrists') really highlights how completely asinine that perspective/strategy has been and continues to be.
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On September 29 2020 02:52 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2020 02:28 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2020 01:47 Doodsmack wrote:On September 29 2020 00:37 Gorsameth wrote:On September 29 2020 00:34 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2020 23:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 28 2020 23:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On September 28 2020 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Guy is a spoiled brat living off daddies money, who was able to trick a lot of people into thinking he was a screwed businessman. As that myth shatters for a lot it is going to be a lot harder to believe 4d chess and a lot easier to see blowhard tantrum throwing lying spoiled brat. He invested all his proceeds from the apprentice and other profits into more businesses that have all failed. Trump tower is profitable and makes money because he is a spoiled brat living off daddies money. The question to ask if is all his business failures are due to laundering money or if he just has an ego/gambling problem. Is everything a grand conspiracy with Russia or is he just the narcissist who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses? none of that is really mutually exclusive. He can be (and likely is) a money launderer with an ego problem who can't admit failure and keeps doubling down on failed businesses that a broken system lends him money to do while being deeply indebted to Russia. Even the NYT said there's no evidence of connections to Russia in the tax returns. The Russia obsession has been debunked by now. we've been over this. there is no connection, except for the connections we know about. Besides, do his tax returns list who Trump is indebted to? Yes there's (anonymous) Russian money parked in his Florida condo buildings, Paul manafort was a grifter, and Don Jr was subjected to a Fusion GPS sting in trump tower. Again, the McCarthyism has been debunked. As for his debt, we've known for years that he owes hundreds of millions to Deutsche Bank. And no that’s not automatically criminal or connected to Russian intelligence. I think that I agree with you that it is FAR more likely that Trump is a useful idiot for Russia than an asset. But lets not act as if it is not proven that Russia actively worked to make Trump the President. Would you agree that it is now completely debunked that he is a good businessman? If you disagree can you please explain why. Personally I am withholding judgment on whether russia favored trump until I see durhams work product. At the very least we know that there were dissenting opinions within the IC. Regarding trump as a businessman, he certainly has done more than the average businessman. He does own outright hundrends of millions in assets although he of course did all this with his father's money. I would not automatically take his debt load to be a bad thing in business, although considering trumps history with debt and resulting bankruptcy, I woukdnt rule out a personal bankruptcy in the future (which is the one thing he was always able to avoid although only because of loana from family members).
He took out on a mortgage on his best asset Trump Tower to fuel his bad businesses. Trump's major problem is that he uses good assets to fund bad debt. If he could admit he was wrong about failed businesses and cut ties he would be doing great because he owns real estate in downtown Manhattan. He has squandered every penny of his inheritance with poor decisions.
Debt isn't bad in business. Using your good assets to keep your bad investments losing you money absolutely is.
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