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I saw this video yesterday and it's pretty clear that there has been a collective effort by democrats and the media to promote the exact kind of destruction and violence we are seeing.
streamable.com
Furthermore there has been a wave of violence against white people, and in many of these cases the perpetrators openly stated they targeted the victims because they were white. All of these murders are in the span of two weeks. Victims appear on the top of each row. You probably haven't heard of most of these because most media hasn't been covering these stories. The same media that is telling you that "white nationalists" and anti-black racism is the real problem.
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At this point I don't believe things can be reconciled peacefully, and things are going to get worse. All the while month after month we are seeing record breaking gun sales. I fear the election will be the breaking point, and whichever way it goes, we are headed for chaos.
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He's got nothing, he's a race riot provocateur
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"The media" isn't telling you about anti-white racism because it doesn't happen. It isn't, and has never been, a problem in America.
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The media tells you plenty about anti-white racism, on fox news and right wing talk radio. Any hint of racial discrimination favoring a minority over a white man and they're all over it (even if the hint is fabricated from whole cloth). They're mainstream media. No idea why they get to pretend they aren't. They are.
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On September 02 2020 00:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2020 15:05 Fleetfeet wrote:
I can see the argument for Rittenhouse being 'self defense', the part I struggle with is if you go looking for trouble and armed for trouble, then find trouble... is it still 'self defense'?
My opinion is that Rittenhouse made mistakes based on a faulty mindset and tried to 'solve a problem' in a way that would only end in violence. In this way, I find the argument that he was justified in murdering people to be unacceptable, even if, legally, his murders were justified.
It is also fair to say that the protesters themselves made mistakes, but I am far more empathetic to BLM as a cause than I am "I'm here to defend this storefront and I brought my gun just in case". In both cases, the parties in question are acting in this way because more diplomatic channels have failed or are failing. In the case of BLM, there's historic evidence of that being the case. In the case of Rittenhouse, if the goal was to protect property from rioters there were more diplomatic channels to pursue that goal. His major mistake, and perhaps a criminal one depending on whether what his lawyer says is even close to true, is that this wasn't his community, his family, his friends. He had to actually drive there from another state. The second mistake is to separate from some business-centered or home-centered defense, and to risk getting caught in the moving police skirmish lines and directed retreats. The proper response when the police cannot prevent the destruction of businesses (the small businesses representing the livelihoods of the owners) is to arm yourself with others using weapons that are effective at discouraging more victims of wanton violence. BLM has made claims that this is only because the system is failing. Store owners and groups of locals arming themselves have equal right to make the same claim. The police system is failing to protect their life's work. The diplomatic channels have failed, in this case, no emergency meeting to request the National Guard after the first night of troubles. I think this is cause-independent, and would work if it was a right-wing protest that started looting and burning, and left wing business owners forming armed groups to defend themselves and their property. Shout out to the Roof Koreans that made heroic efforts in the LA Riots to preserve their small businesses. It was anti-Korean and anti-Koreatown riot energy that time (though the main ones were elsewhere, but the worst damages were in Korea town), and the stories of LAPD retreating and Korean-Americans saving many businesses are great.
Roof Koreans aptly named as they were unlike Anakin Skywalker and respected the value of the high ground.
They were kind of what was in my mind when I’d previously stated I’m supportive of defensive measures. By virtue of being physically distanced from potential looters you don’t have the problems of being cornered and panicking and discharging a weapon being your only recourse left.
If you’re sitting on a roof, armed, you’re only really under imminent threat if people are trying to set your building on fire, storm it or have weapons trained on you. All of which clearly come under self defence.
Being caught in the open and shooting people is a stupid situation to get yourself in, regardless of having any mal intent or not.
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On September 02 2020 00:52 reborn8u2 wrote:I saw this video yesterday and it's pretty clear that there has been a collective effort by democrats and the media to promote the exact kind of destruction and violence we are seeing. streamable.comFurthermore there has been a wave of violence against white people, and in many of these cases the perpetrators openly stated they targeted the victims because they were white. All of these murders are in the span of two weeks. Victims appear on the top of each row. You probably haven't heard of most of these because most media hasn't been covering these stories. The same media that is telling you that "white nationalists" and anti-black racism is the real problem. + Show Spoiler +At this point I don't believe things can be reconciled peacefully, and things are going to get worse. All the while month after month we are seeing record breaking gun sales. I fear the election will be the breaking point, and whichever way it goes, we are headed for chaos.
Sometimes the media doesn’t report on things because you know, they didn’t happen? Wish they’d take that approach more often to be honest.
Although yes I’m sure there are explicitly racist murders that occur in a black on white sense pretty frequently. Which is obviously a bad thing, I think it’s a big jump to extrapolate from there for it to be anything remotely comparable to the systemic problems facing minorities in the States.
There are enough people on the internet that I can’t really say ‘nobody’ think x, by and large if a hypothetical stage of racial equality and harmony was reached, many are calling for anti-white retribution.
On the other hand given such a scenario white nationalists still want brown people downtrodden or gone completely, that’s why they’re very much part of the ‘real problem’.
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On September 02 2020 00:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2020 15:05 Fleetfeet wrote:
I can see the argument for Rittenhouse being 'self defense', the part I struggle with is if you go looking for trouble and armed for trouble, then find trouble... is it still 'self defense'?
My opinion is that Rittenhouse made mistakes based on a faulty mindset and tried to 'solve a problem' in a way that would only end in violence. In this way, I find the argument that he was justified in murdering people to be unacceptable, even if, legally, his murders were justified.
It is also fair to say that the protesters themselves made mistakes, but I am far more empathetic to BLM as a cause than I am "I'm here to defend this storefront and I brought my gun just in case". In both cases, the parties in question are acting in this way because more diplomatic channels have failed or are failing. In the case of BLM, there's historic evidence of that being the case. In the case of Rittenhouse, if the goal was to protect property from rioters there were more diplomatic channels to pursue that goal. His major mistake, and perhaps a criminal one depending on whether what his lawyer says is even close to true, is that this wasn't his community, his family, his friends. He had to actually drive there from another state. The second mistake is to separate from some business-centered or home-centered defense, and to risk getting caught in the moving police skirmish lines and directed retreats. The proper response when the police cannot prevent the destruction of businesses (the small businesses representing the livelihoods of the owners) is to arm yourself with others using weapons that are effective at discouraging more victims of wanton violence. BLM has made claims that this is only because the system is failing. Store owners and groups of locals arming themselves have equal right to make the same claim. The police system is failing to protect their life's work. The diplomatic channels have failed, in this case, no emergency meeting to request the National Guard after the first night of troubles. I think this is cause-independent, and would work if it was a right-wing protest that started looting and burning, and left wing business owners forming armed groups to defend themselves and their property. Shout out to the Roof Koreans that made heroic efforts in the LA Riots to preserve their small businesses. It was anti-Korean and anti-Koreatown riot energy that time (though the main ones were elsewhere, but the worst damages were in Korea town), and the stories of LAPD retreating and Korean-Americans saving many businesses are great.
Don't have terribly much time to further respond, but I generally agree. Again, there's a 'gun culture' separation for me, but the general concept of business or home owners being allowed to protect their property in light of the system failing to do so is just and makes sense. I just don't see that situation being accepted to end in murder unless in dire circumstances. Unfortunately, with everyone potentially wandering around with guns, your window of warning before your imminent death is smaller than it would be were people restricted from casually carrying weapons.
I also think BLM's claims that the system is failing are strong claims!
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In Classic insecure conservative fashion, Oregon republicans launched another "Recall Kate Brown" petition. As is the case in every other time they have tried (99999+), they claimed to have BARELY not met the threshold but also refuse to submit any signature. Kate Brown continues to be Oregon's governor.
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Trump tweeted something that people are taking as a very worrying sign about his health.
Specifically, he tweeted that he never had ministrokes that caused him to go to Walter Reed in november.
The thing is, absolutely no one had claimed he had ministrokes - not even the book it seems he was talking about (all it did was say that Pence was on standby in case Trump was incapable of serving as president for a time). It said that he visited it due to unspecified health issues.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514583-trump-denies-mini-strokes-sent-him-to-walter-reed
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This may be a bit too generous, but it could also be bait for the media to jump on a stroke train when it was actually something else. Another way to pretend he's a victim.
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He's too online, and the country's probably the worse for it. President Clinton's former press secretary publicly asked if Trump had had a stroke that he was hiding from the public. That was speculation as to the cause of a trip by the President to the hospital.
So maybe revise your "absolutely no one had claimed" to some version of "CNN analyst/Clinton comms suggested/raised the question that Donald Trump had a stroke. It was trending before the tweet (See: Lincoln Project). See also: Author says Trump may have suffered from a Series of Ministrokes less than a month ago.
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Is this the equivalent of that trope of crime dramas where the perp slips up and the detective does the whole ‘I didn’t mention the victim was sawed in half with a sword of antiquity...’ before there’s some struggle to the death?
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I will never get over Trumps way of writing stuff.
Who can write something like "your favorite president, me" and not even mean it as satire?
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Hmm, I thought the mini stroke thing hadn't been claimed, though I had heard the stroke rumors after the cup drinking and oranges incidents. I meant no one today ... guess I was wrong, but I rarely use twitter.
But yes, it wasn't very widespread - I would agree with the "too online" aspect... or at least too actively reading twitter.
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When "#TrumpStroke" was trending I did wonder if Pence's lack of "charisma" would be more electorally detrimental than Democrats losing their primary campaign angle of being "not Trump".
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CA libs have already told me that Trump is the worst president ever, but Pence would be worse. Several explanations of the religious angle and bad-but-competent angle are repeated. I had made no progress on the worst-president but not-worse-than-his-vice-president paradox, or rather, that Trump is simultaneously uniquely bad and maybe the country can't endure another 4 years, but he might be followed by someone worse for the country.
But CA is a big liberal bastion, at least on the densely urban parts of the coast, so I can't say the "worse than Trump" is widespread. I do take it as an inevitable event that future Republican presidents will be branded with that epithet to be made to appear radical to some audience.
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On September 02 2020 06:20 Simberto wrote:
I will never get over Trumps way of writing stuff.
Who can write something like "your favorite president, me" and not even mean it as satire?
It's such an awkward and shallow way of representing your goals, and such a consistent part of his playbook. It's not just "the left", it's "The radical left". It's not just "This person who wrote a book about me", it's "The Amazing Patriot John Doe and his Future Bestseller "Why Trump is the Greatest". Buy now!"
Though the execution is so heavyhanded to make it seem idiotic, it probably overall does him favours, as even people not inclined to dislike Joe Biden probably still subconsciously append "Swampman" or "Sleepy" to the thought when considering.
Overall it seems like just a stupider, more classless way of navigating normal politics that I -want- to believe is insulting to the general population of the US, but I'm afraid isn't.
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Unlike the trump campaign claiming that biden is already destroying america and that unless you don't vote red, the american way of life is destroyed and so is the economy ?
It just seems that your country is very divided, wonder why.
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