EPTI don't understand this need to compulsively lie about the most mundane things. I guess I should expect it, the man said it didn't rain during his inauguration. I just don't understand the motivation to lie so candidly. Why does anyone still believe anything he says?
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crms
United States11933 Posts
I don't understand this need to compulsively lie about the most mundane things. I guess I should expect it, the man said it didn't rain during his inauguration. I just don't understand the motivation to lie so candidly. Why does anyone still believe anything he says? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
Otherwise, there are two explanations: Either trump is just a compulsory liar and can't help it. He might even believe the bullshit he speaks. Or it is calculated, and the idea is to undermine people's trust in reality. Basically, classical 1984 doublethink. Just because two things are contradictory doesn't mean they aren't both true. Basic logic doesn't work. If Trump says the letter is nice, it is nice. If he says he hasn't opened it yet, he hasn't opened it yet. These two statements don't need to interact in the minds of the followers whatsoever. And once that has been trained by constant lying about random shit, you are golden once you start lying about stuff that actually matters. Though i do think that the second explanation gives trump way too much credit. I'd tend much more towards the first one. Trump doesn't really strike one as smart enough for something like that. He acts more on schoolyard bully strategies. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 02 2018 06:35 crms wrote: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1002632252214468608 I don't understand this need to compulsively lie about the most mundane things. I guess I should expect it, the man said it didn't rain during his inauguration. I just don't understand the motivation to lie so candidly. Why does anyone still believe anything he says? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie Its intentional. Trump understands that the more he says a thing, the more people will believe it. Or simply not object when he says the untrue thing next. He flat out said he attacks the press with false claims to undermine peoples trust in the press. The man thinks like a dictator, but doesn't have the tools to be one. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Introvert
United States4908 Posts
On June 02 2018 07:06 a_flayer wrote: It's probably built into his speech out of habit by now. I think this is right. He just says things like that. I haven't asked anyone formerly from NY about his speech, but I've heard that if you were from the city, the way he talks would be less surprising. Not all of it, obviously, but a lot. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 02 2018 07:09 Introvert wrote: I think this is right. He just says things like that. I haven't asked anyone formerly from NY about his speech, but I've heard that if you were from the city, the way he talks would be less surprising. Not all of it, obviously, but a lot. He lies about crowd sizes, they lie about MS 13 animals, and the game goes on. In his former days, he donates to NY political campaigns, they help him out with laws and publicity, and everybody gets along. He’s just bad or good at the game, depending on your perspective of polls and/or reputation. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I do not think it is a stretch to say he lies as easily as he breathes. | ||
Womwomwom
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On June 02 2018 06:59 Simberto wrote: Maybe the letter was really nice from the outside? Nice paper, nice stamp? The letter is huge, its larger than an A4 sheet. Reports have the US accepting the fact that North Korea is a nuclear power and that they’re dropping the requirement that they have to denuclearise. Bolton has also been sidelined too. Which is what you have to do at this point but it would have been nice to not fuck with the Iran deal and send out an explicit message to the world that the only way to be safe from foreign military intervention is to obtain nuclear weapons. It’s like he listened to Bolton for advice, then bailed on him when he started to get bad PR then decided to force through the summit, even with North Korea promising and actually doing fuck all, because people were mocking him and his chicken counting. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
"They did what noone else could! All it cost was us legitimizing NK as a nuclear power! MAGA!" | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23656 Posts
On June 02 2018 06:10 Simberto wrote: Reverse the burden of proof. I know you would need a law for that, and congress never does things, but still. That is a simple solution. Instead of people having to prove that a cop murdered someone each time they do, have the cop have to prove that killing a person was justified. And don't accept "I felt threatened" as reasonable prove. Even further, do that every time a cop fires a bullet. If no one was hurt, you probably don't need a court case, but have cops justify each bullet they fire to some oversight agency. Make it really annoying paperwork, too. But every time someone gets hurt do to police action, have a court case as a standard, in addition to some internal review. Once again, don't have the people who work with the cops in question involved in any way. You need an independent group that is not local to be the accuser in those cases, because anything else is utterly stupid. This isn't a new idea, Back people have been calling for it for decades. The reason simple solutions like you suggest haven't been tried is because white America doesn't want to change it. I found a convenient (though not comprehensive) chart explaining how white America's racism has prevented such basic reforms for decades. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ZTdzYrE.jpg) Performative allyship is all the rage these days. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 02 2018 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote: This isn't a new idea, Back people have been calling for it for decades. The reason simple solutions like you suggest haven't been tried is because white America doesn't want to change it. I found a convenient (though not comprehensive) chart explaining how white America's racism has prevented such basic reforms for decades. Performative allyship is all the rage these days. I'm curious. Do you think its possible for a white person to not be racist? If yes, how does such a person act? Especially if that list isn't even comprehensive. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On June 02 2018 09:03 On_Slaught wrote: I'm curious. Do you think its possible for a white person to not be racist? If yes, how does such a person act? Especially if that list isn't even comprehensive. you should have asked whether it is possible for any person to not be racist | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23656 Posts
On June 02 2018 09:03 On_Slaught wrote: I'm curious. Do you think its possible for a white person to not be racist? If yes, how does such a person act? Especially if that list isn't even comprehensive. People should want to be (and be) allies and strive to be abolitionists. Or at minimum not complain about being noted as falling where they do on the scale as if they're the one being attacked. EDIT: What is it that you think you should do? (that's actually open to anyone that wants to answer it) | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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micronesia
United States24754 Posts
On June 02 2018 07:09 Introvert wrote: I think this is right. He just says things like that. I haven't asked anyone formerly from NY about his speech, but I've heard that if you were from the city, the way he talks would be less surprising. Not all of it, obviously, but a lot. It seems like you are attempting to excuse Trump randomly contradicting himself in the same conversation by pointing to New York City folks and saying they are kind of like that too. No, they are not. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On June 02 2018 07:14 Danglars wrote: He lies about crowd sizes, they lie about MS 13 animals, and the game goes on. In his former days, he donates to NY political campaigns, they help him out with laws and publicity, and everybody gets along. He’s just bad or good at the game, depending on your perspective of polls and/or reputation. Which they and what lie? Are they thr white house and the lie that he didn't call people animals? Or are you referring to a different they and different lie? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23656 Posts
On June 02 2018 10:53 On_Slaught wrote: While I haven't put a huge amount of thought into this, I'd start with the notion that intent matters. It's obviously not sufficient but it may be necessary. From there I'd be curious if you and others think it is enough to simply combat racist policies, words, and actions as you meet them or if it is necessary, in your world view, that knowledge of racism existing is enough to warrant action and that we must proactively seek out ways to help. What would you think we should do if it was happening your family. If it was your father shot. We were here however many years separate you from the oldest who witnessed her father's murder and you were seeing this story for the umpteenth time since it happened to you. What do you think you would be doing about it? What would you expect others to be doing? Would someone doing what you've been doing be doing enough in your eyes? How many more times would you have to see your story repeated before you thought they should do more? Specifically to you question of "is more needed?" well the answer to that question depends on if the stories we see constantly are acceptable to you or not. If they are not acceptable, then obviously you have to do more and so do others. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On June 02 2018 09:21 Plansix wrote: There is a huge difference between being a “racist” and committing a racist act. People get to hung up on the label of “racist”, rather than owning their fuck up and apologizing. I'm pretty much at the point where sometimes I'm being called racist and then I'm like "OK, cool, I'm fine if you think that's racist". | ||
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