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On June 02 2018 09:21 Plansix wrote: There is a huge difference between being a “racist” and committing a racist act. People get to hung up on the label of “racist”, rather than owning their fuck up and apologizing.
I'm pretty much at the point where sometimes I'm being called racist and then I'm like "OK, cool, I'm fine if you think that's racist".
You want to give us an example of what you're talking about?
On June 02 2018 09:21 Plansix wrote: There is a huge difference between being a “racist” and committing a racist act. People get to hung up on the label of “racist”, rather than owning their fuck up and apologizing.
I'm pretty much at the point where sometimes I'm being called racist and then I'm like "OK, cool, I'm fine if you think that's racist".
That is the opposite of how I roll. I never want to give anyone the impression I’m racist. But you do you.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
I think context matters here:
Not racist: * Discussion about skin cancer * "Curious fact: black people are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma"
Racist: "Black people are systematically repressed. They are less likely to get jobs and more likely to get shot by cops" "Hey, at least they're less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma"
It was at a lecture I was giving on the subject of pain in relation to MM. It was exactly as dumb as it sounds.
Heck, Ive been called racist for not giving my seat in the bus to an able bodied black man my own age whilst I was wearing a don-joy and carrying two crutches (Ghetto in California)
Point is not that racism doesn't exist, point is that there are plenty occasions during which I'm fine with having been perceived as a racist because it was perceived by blithering idiots who were racist themselves. And thaty experience is hardly unique - hence the term loses its meaning.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
On June 02 2018 07:06 a_flayer wrote: It's probably built into his speech out of habit by now.
I think this is right. He just says things like that. I haven't asked anyone formerly from NY about his speech, but I've heard that if you were from the city, the way he talks would be less surprising. Not all of it, obviously, but a lot.
He lies about crowd sizes, they lie about MS 13 animals, and the game goes on. In his former days, he donates to NY political campaigns, they help him out with laws and publicity, and everybody gets along.
He’s just bad or good at the game, depending on your perspective of polls and/or reputation.
Which they and what lie? Are they thr white house and the lie that he didn't call people animals? Or are you referring to a different they and different lie?
I believe he's doing his usual schtick of saying the other side is as bad as his own, ergo it's nothing to talk about.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
Meh a balance needs to be struck. No doubt minorities all over the world are getting the short end of the stick - and this needs to be addressed. But it should be addressed appropriately and not all misfortunes on an individual level should be blamed on tyranny of the majority.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
Meh a balance needs to be struck. No doubt minorities all over the world are getting the short end of the stick - and this needs to be addressed. But it should be addressed appropriately and not all misfortunes on an individual level should be blamed on tyranny of the majority.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
Political correctness at its current level is disgrace because it's overthinking as you say. I'm for some basic political correctness, but not for showing the racism/sexism/whatever card at every little sign you could misinterpret in your own way. Simply put, political correctness is abused by strawmen.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
Political correctness at its current level is disgrace because it's overthinking as you say. I'm for some basic political correctness, but not for showing the racism/sexism/whatever card at every little sign you could misinterpret in your own way. Simply put, political correctness is abused by strawmen.
That was an exceptionally poor choice, considering how many better, clearer examples of spurious PC-related incidents there are. I'm white as driven snow and I can see exactly how offensive that is with about 1 second of thought.
That is neither a strawman, nor abuse of political correctness, nor even misinterpretation of the imagery presented. You've achieved transcendent wrongness. I applaud.
This is a far clearer example of people going a bit nuts:
9. Gillingham fans had begun to fondly offer celery to their goalkeeper, ‘Big Fat’ Jim Stannard. The club, however, decided that celery could result in health and safety issues inside the ground. As a result, fans were subjected to celery searches with the ultimate sanction for possession of celery allegedly being a life ban.’
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
Political correctness at its current level is disgrace because it's overthinking as you say. I'm for some basic political correctness, but not for showing the racism/sexism/whatever card at every little sign you could misinterpret in your own way. Simply put, political correctness is abused by strawmen.
This isn't really political correctness. This is more a company putting out an offensive ad and then realizing that their customers are offended by it.
Political correctness can be bad when it gets in the head of police bosses or boards of directors in certain settings. If it stops people doing something that they should be doing it is bad, not just because companies can't make racist adverts any more.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
Political correctness at its current level is disgrace because it's overthinking as you say. I'm for some basic political correctness, but not for showing the racism/sexism/whatever card at every little sign you could misinterpret in your own way. Simply put, political correctness is abused by strawmen.
That was an exceptionally poor choice, considering how many better, clearer examples of spurious PC-related incidents there are. I'm white as driven snow and I can see exactly how offensive that is with about 1 second of thought.
That is neither a strawman, nor abuse of political correctness, nor even misinterpretation of the imagery presented. You've achieved transcendent wrongness. I applaud.
This is a far clearer example of people going a bit nuts:
9. Gillingham fans had begun to fondly offer celery to their goalkeeper, ‘Big Fat’ Jim Stannard. The club, however, decided that celery could result in health and safety issues inside the ground. As a result, fans were subjected to celery searches with the ultimate sanction for possession of celery allegedly being a life ban.’
Unfortunately this isn't political correctness either. Stewart Lee explains this best (at 3:00 in this video)
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
Political correctness at its current level is disgrace because it's overthinking as you say. I'm for some basic political correctness, but not for showing the racism/sexism/whatever card at every little sign you could misinterpret in your own way. Simply put, political correctness is abused by strawmen.
That was an exceptionally poor choice, considering how many better, clearer examples of spurious PC-related incidents there are. I'm white as driven snow and I can see exactly how offensive that is with about 1 second of thought.
That is neither a strawman, nor abuse of political correctness, nor even misinterpretation of the imagery presented. You've achieved transcendent wrongness. I applaud.
This is a far clearer example of people going a bit nuts:
9. Gillingham fans had begun to fondly offer celery to their goalkeeper, ‘Big Fat’ Jim Stannard. The club, however, decided that celery could result in health and safety issues inside the ground. As a result, fans were subjected to celery searches with the ultimate sanction for possession of celery allegedly being a life ban.’
I'm sorry you're a victim of ultra political correctness and you're equally bad in that respect. Congrats. There's nothing else for me to discuss with you about this topic. I made my point clear and I don't even hate black people. If you find Dove's ad offensive, something is wrong with your interpretation.
Edit: Just asked 2 friends and both found Dove's ad normal. Again, it's your inner desire to brand everything racist so you could claim moral high ground. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
On June 02 2018 09:21 Plansix wrote: There is a huge difference between being a “racist” and committing a racist act. People get to hung up on the label of “racist”, rather than owning their fuck up and apologizing.
I'm pretty much at the point where sometimes I'm being called racist and then I'm like "OK, cool, I'm fine if you think that's racist".
You want to give us an example of what you're talking about?
Here's a recent example in the Euro thread where Nyxisto claims anti-semitism five posts below in response to what I said. Ignore my trolling/baiting after his response. I've been straight up banned from TL before for 'anti-semitism' too. I don't feel a particular need to own any of that as a "fuck up" and "apologize for it" as Plansix would. If that makes me "racist" that's fine.
Similarly a few days ago I posted on reddit in response to a post that mentioned "Gatestone Institute" and Nina Rosenwald. I responded that "These people are the same that fund the alt-right in my country. Imagine my surprise to find out its American Jews funding the National Socialists in my country rather than Russians", and I got a response from the guy I was replying to telling me I shouldn't go "full blown anti-semite". He probably thought I meant "Jews" with "these people" rather than refer to the people related to the Gatestone Institute and Rosenwald specifically, and misattributed my comparison between "American Jews" and "Russians" as sources that fund the alt-right as a suggestion that "all American Jews are funding the alt-right" or something (but again, it's fine if I generalize about the Russians?). So, it's just a misunderstanding, but it's still that kind of hyper trigger where you have to craft your words to such an extent... I just can't be bothered.
Or stuff like this that's probably circulated around a lot in right wing media bubbles as a way to point out the "fascist thought police from the left". Nothing racist about that. I also don't think that infamous Steve Martin bit about King Tut is 'culturally insensitive' towards Egypt, for example. No more than the stereotypes I've seen on American TV about my own country, or like Apu from the Simpsons, at any rate.
Oh, I just remembered, I was called out for racism once by a Moroccan co-worker for joking that the breadcrumbs in my keyboard could feed a small African country. I have some understanding for him being offended - he was saying "All of Africa isn't poor and starving!", he was basically being nationalistic, but eh, call the joke racist? It's just dark humor -- starvation in Africa was all over the news at the time. Is it racism if I make a similar joke now about a Syrian village? Don't answer that.
If I'm racist for those ways, then I'll just take the label and go on with my life. I don't think I'm inclined to deny someone a job or a loan based on their ethnicity, or convict them to absurd prison sentences -- that is, if I were ever to be put in a position where I'd have to make such calls. I probably wouldn't hire that Moroccan co-worker, but not because of his ethnicity or anything he said, rather the fact that he was caught masturbating in the middle of the office multiple times before being fired.
I don't think the N-word is any different from saying 'cunt', or 'faggot', or 'asshole', or 'dick' either. I understand the history, I just think it's weird and unnecessary that people let words own their feelings like that. I'll avoid the word nonetheless because I recognize the way it's perceived and it's pretty easy avoid. It's not like I'm entirely insensitive to these kind of things, but it seems like there's a lot of pointless "hunting for racism" out there, as if people are deliberately trying to be insulted.
I certainly recognize I'm a rude as fuck piece of shit by many people's standards though.
a_flayer, I agree with you. People are trying to turn democracy into Orwellian state (thought police). I come from eastern Europe which was communist not too long ago, so my interest in democracy is greater than those hypersensitive political correct people in the west. Luckily, not everyone is like that, and I know that because I lived in the UK for a few years. However, it's super annoying western societies are plagued so innocent people who aren't racist/sexist in general have to feel guilty for one slip of the tongue or this one odd joke.
I guess new liberalism of the century will be as basic as restoring freedom of speech after political correctness hits the roof. I reject communism and fascism, but I also reject this new movement of hypersensitive political correctness. All of them are bad. All of these ideologies are divisive in their own way.
I'm still of the opinion that someone who complains about political correctness should be immediately discarded.
Here's the mechanism: everytime there is something that is reprehensible that is in connexion with political correctness, it's also in connexion with general incorrectness: people are doing something that makes no sense. As an example, what a_flayer just showed falls under that: I don't think it made a ton of sense for Nyxisto to jump at him with antisemitism in that context, so if we are to qualify this interaction, we should be annoyed that Nyxisto is incorrect.
But you don't really score political points by complaining about people being wrong, most people agree that being wrong is not great. So what you do is you remove the label of "incorrect" and you replace it with "politically correct", because that label is charged and allows you to attack people of a different political side.
Does everyone who uses "politically correct" think like that? No, of course not. That's why the term is effective, because it can be used outside of your group by people who don't know better.
On June 02 2018 16:25 Ghostcom wrote: I’ve literally been called a racist for stating that blacks are less likely to suffer from malignant melanoma - a medical fact.
I’ll happily be considered a racist by the idiots of this world.
As I said in another thread, this is one of the most annoying traits of the west. Too much crying and not enough thinking (aka political correctness). Thought police is so communist. I'm so glad eastern Europe isn't suffering from this syndrome yet.
"Political correctness" literally is thinking about what you're saying. Rephrasing your words in a diplomatic way for the person/people you're communicating with. There may be an argument about overthinking or over-analyzing words, but it's bizarre to say political correctness is not thinking and the opposite is.
Political correctness at its current level is disgrace because it's overthinking as you say. I'm for some basic political correctness, but not for showing the racism/sexism/whatever card at every little sign you could misinterpret in your own way. Simply put, political correctness is abused by strawmen.
That was an exceptionally poor choice, considering how many better, clearer examples of spurious PC-related incidents there are. I'm white as driven snow and I can see exactly how offensive that is with about 1 second of thought.
That is neither a strawman, nor abuse of political correctness, nor even misinterpretation of the imagery presented. You've achieved transcendent wrongness. I applaud.
This is a far clearer example of people going a bit nuts:
9. Gillingham fans had begun to fondly offer celery to their goalkeeper, ‘Big Fat’ Jim Stannard. The club, however, decided that celery could result in health and safety issues inside the ground. As a result, fans were subjected to celery searches with the ultimate sanction for possession of celery allegedly being a life ban.’
I'm sorry you're a victim of ultra political correctness and you're equally bad in that respect. Congrats. There's nothing else for me to discuss with you about this topic. I made my point clear and I don't even hate black people. If you find Dove's ad offensive, something is wrong with your interpretation.
Edit: Just asked 2 friends and both found Dove's ad normal. Again, it's your inner desire to brand everything racist so you could claim moral high ground. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Maybe you and your friends don't know the previous history of racist ads where Black people are turned into white people after washing themselves with soap, but others do
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