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On March 26 2020 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity. I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president. edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw.
Am I the one you call "neolib" and that you qualify as "gross"? Just to clarify.
The gorgeous irony that the one who broke the story describes herself as "Katie Halper. Feminist Bernie Bro, co-host of Rolling Stone's #usefulidiotsPod with Matt Taibbi." on her instagram account. In all seriousness, I'll read any story about Biden being a rapist when it comes from a serious outlet and a serious source. Even Fox News and fucking Breitbart are not reporting on that.
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On March 26 2020 22:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity. I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president. edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw. Am I the one you call "neolib"? Just to clarify.
I'm saying I think calling raising awareness of credible rape allegations "inflating any "scandal"..." is gross regardless of the political affiliations of who says it. If that's not you, it doesn't apply to you.
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On March 26 2020 23:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity. I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president. edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw. Am I the one you call "neolib"? Just to clarify. I'm saying I think calling raising awareness of credible rape allegations "inflating any "scandal"..." is gross regardless of the political affiliations of who says it. If that's not you, it doesn't apply to you.
If it came from someone serious with honest intentions quoting a serious source, I wouldn't call it "inflating a scandal". And if it becomes a credible scandal, I'll take it for what it is.
Considering that you made Breitbart News look like a bunch of rather pro Clinton moderates with how hysterical you were against her last election cycle (I mean you were salivating every time we learnt that Clinton might have deleted an email on that wrong server), it's just funny to see you jump on that story before we get any other details about it than one article in a mediocre outlet from a radio host that describes herself as a Berniebro.
So, anyway, you didn't answer me. Is it me you call "neolib"?
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On March 26 2020 22:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:30 LegalLord wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? Good to see that the rotten neoliberal establishment dems just fought an epic battle with the administration - and found a successful compromise - so that the relieve effort was not directed exclusively to the corporations and businesses but also to the people and in particular the most vulnerable people. I expect the comrades to find the deal shit and criticize them for compromising at all, am I right? The current bill certainly looks a lot better than the original. It's a shame that corporations are still getting a gigantic bailout (at least now with a few strings attached) and that the main "compromise" was just piling an extra $1 trillion onto the original bill, but that's just how things work, I guess. I would have preferred to see airlines get a lot less aid and for Boeing to receive a well-deserved smackdown, but it was not to be. At least cruise liners seem to be getting very little here due to their general non-US status. Best we could've hoped for, but a slower yet significant downsizing of the airline industry is hopefully in order. It'll be a shame if it just goes right back to where it was. Well, the reality is that one of the negociators in that story was Trump, so it was never gonna be the deal we dream of. But good to see the democrats did their job and that people won't get totally screwed. I don't quite know what the consequences of letting whole companies from the airline industry of Boeing crash but it might be something that is out if question for any government...
There would certainly be widespread consequences from a major downturn in the airline industry. But not only is it not avoidable - flights are going to be down for a long time, and might not even go back to normal once "this" is over - it would honestly be a good thing if the world cut down its flight volume by a solid 70% over the next several years. The world's first "airplane pandemic" seems to have at least momentarily broke the pattern of never-ending upticks in flights that honestly should never need to be flown.
At the end of the day, this is just going to be the government giving the airlines several months worth of revenue for free, just to keep people on payroll. Certainly we shouldn't be encouraging those "ghost flights" or maintaining volume without purpose.
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On March 26 2020 23:15 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:30 LegalLord wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? Good to see that the rotten neoliberal establishment dems just fought an epic battle with the administration - and found a successful compromise - so that the relieve effort was not directed exclusively to the corporations and businesses but also to the people and in particular the most vulnerable people. I expect the comrades to find the deal shit and criticize them for compromising at all, am I right? The current bill certainly looks a lot better than the original. It's a shame that corporations are still getting a gigantic bailout (at least now with a few strings attached) and that the main "compromise" was just piling an extra $1 trillion onto the original bill, but that's just how things work, I guess. I would have preferred to see airlines get a lot less aid and for Boeing to receive a well-deserved smackdown, but it was not to be. At least cruise liners seem to be getting very little here due to their general non-US status. Best we could've hoped for, but a slower yet significant downsizing of the airline industry is hopefully in order. It'll be a shame if it just goes right back to where it was. Well, the reality is that one of the negociators in that story was Trump, so it was never gonna be the deal we dream of. But good to see the democrats did their job and that people won't get totally screwed. I don't quite know what the consequences of letting whole companies from the airline industry of Boeing crash but it might be something that is out if question for any government... There would certainly be widespread consequences from a major downturn in the airline industry. But not only is it not avoidable - flights are going to be down for a long time, and might not even go back to normal once "this" is over - it would honestly be a good thing if the world cut down its flight volume by a solid 70% over the next several years. The world's first "airplane pandemic" seems to have at least momentarily broke the pattern of never-ending upticks in flights that honestly should never need to be flown.
Ye I can't disagree with any of that. Only, I guess it would be better if it was a gradual decline rather than huge companies crashing down in a month, laying down thousand of people and taking a whole ecosystem of suppliers with them in their fall. I mean, again, I'm not an expert at all, but that seems plausible.
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On March 26 2020 23:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 23:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. [quote] graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . [quote] newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity. I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president. edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw. Am I the one you call "neolib"? Just to clarify. I'm saying I think calling raising awareness of credible rape allegations "inflating any "scandal"..." is gross regardless of the political affiliations of who says it. If that's not you, it doesn't apply to you. If it came from someone serious with honest intentions quoting a serious source, I wouldn't call it "inflating a scandal". And if it becomes a credible scandal, I'll take it for what it is.
"take it for what it is" eh? I wonder what that means.
Considering that you made Breitbart News look like a bunch of rather pro Clinton moderates with how hysterical you were against her last election cycle (I mean you were salivating every time we learnt that Clinton might have deleted an email on that wrong server), it's just funny to see you jump on that story before we get any other details about it than one article in a mediocre outlet from a radio host that describes herself as a Berniebro.
So, anyway, you didn't answer me. Is it me you call "neolib"?
I'm saying going after the people speaking out/giving them a platform/raising awareness like you are doesn't look good regardless of one's political affiliations. I don't know your politics well enough to be confident labeling them neoliberal or not.
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On March 26 2020 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 23:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 23:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:
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I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this!
Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity. I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president. edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw. Am I the one you call "neolib"? Just to clarify. I'm saying I think calling raising awareness of credible rape allegations "inflating any "scandal"..." is gross regardless of the political affiliations of who says it. If that's not you, it doesn't apply to you. If it came from someone serious with honest intentions quoting a serious source, I wouldn't call it "inflating a scandal". And if it becomes a credible scandal, I'll take it for what it is. "take it for what it is" eh? I wonder what that means.
Do you? If it's a credible allegation and there are solid elements to support it, he should not be the democratic candidate. For now I see one Bernie diehard supporter quoting another self described BernieBro interviewing one woman who completely changed what she said and wrote multiple times the precise day Bernie looks like he is most definitly losing the primaries.
Oh and thanks for your covert insults, from neolib (that's fucking ridiculous, but then again, everyone that is not exactly of your opinion is a neolib; that's how populism works) to my "gross" position, to your disingenuous wondering in that last post, and all the refusal to answer when I call you on it. Always a pleasure to discuss with you.
I'm saying going after the people speaking out/giving them a platform/raising awareness like you are doesn't look good regardless of one's political affiliations. I don't know your politics well enough to be confident labeling them neoliberal or not.
Protip, then don't.
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On March 26 2020 23:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 23:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 23:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity. I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president. edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw. Am I the one you call "neolib"? Just to clarify. I'm saying I think calling raising awareness of credible rape allegations "inflating any "scandal"..." is gross regardless of the political affiliations of who says it. If that's not you, it doesn't apply to you. If it came from someone serious with honest intentions quoting a serious source, I wouldn't call it "inflating a scandal". And if it becomes a credible scandal, I'll take it for what it is. "take it for what it is" eh? I wonder what that means. Do you? If it's a credible allegation and there are solid elements to support it, he should not be the democratic candidate.
Yes. I think her recounting, Biden's handling of Thomas and Anita Hill, the reams of footage of him inappropriately touching women (and girls), and so on, combined with the confirmation of sharing of the story with friends at the time, and other woman that have also complained about Biden's inappropriate conduct with women indicates it is a credible allegation that should be taken seriously and added to a list of reasons personally, but in itself, should be unacceptable of a Democratic nominee.
For now I see one Bernie diehard supporter quoting another self described BernieBro interviewing one woman who completely changed what she said and wrote multiple times the precise day Bernie looks like he is most definitly losing the primaries.
Oh and thanks for your covert insults...
They aren't meant to be covert insults, I'm saying I think that stuff you say there is also gross to me, as when Trump supporters accused folks of having Trump derangement syndrome during the Kavanaugh thing was gross. Which ties it back to the original point. So I think I should leave it there.
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Can't believe a republican presidency and senate are about to directly give cash to all Americans. The party that can't stand food stamps put in a position where they are just saying "Here, have a bunch of money" LOL, what a world. Truly a historic time.
And the funny thing is, with $1200 being wildly insufficient, we can also say that this won't be the last one. So we will likely get more cash payments later.
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On March 27 2020 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:
Can't believe a republican presidency and senate are about to directly give cash to all Americans. The party that can't stand food stamps put in a position where they are just saying "Here, have a bunch of money" LOL, what a world. Truly a historic time.
And the funny thing is, with $1200 being wildly insufficient, we can also say that this won't be the last one. So we will likely get more cash payments later.
From what I hear they will take 3-4 weeks to come out, with the 1st approaching much quicker than that they are going to have to do more immediately imo.
I feel like they just want to see how many people still pay their bills without weeks of income.
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yea it feels weird to have a declining gradual payment starting at 75,000 though. like the 7-800 i might get won’t even come close to covering rent, much less anything else. i feel like the gradual decrease should start, if at all, at ‘fuck you money,’ but of course i can’t really define that myself either.
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So this is happening and I wonder what it does for people who have varying opinions in regards to these two. I see it as a "fucking finally!" moment, while I can see others looking at it as this admin covering it's tracks/ass for whatever reason. The only comparison I can think of is Escobar in similarity, but it's still interesting to see what will become of this, if anything.
The Justice Department unsealed criminal charges against Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and other regime heavies on Thursday in connection with alleged narco-terrorism and drug smuggling into the United States.
Attorney General William Barr announced the charges at the Justice Department in Washington with some officials in attendance and others connected via teleconference — precautions taken amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The charges involved some 15 defendants between Maduro and other political and military leaders in Venezuela. They emerged in superseding indictments from federal authorities around the United States, Barr said.
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On March 27 2020 00:43 brian wrote:
yea it feels weird to have a declining gradual payment starting at 75,000 though. like the 7-800 i might get won’t even come close to covering rent, much less anything else. i feel like the gradual decrease should start, if at all, at ‘fuck you money,’ but of course i can’t really define that myself either.
That would be 150k, depending on your financial security and what's being taken off top, imo.
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So if it takes 3 weeks, that means people will already be at least 1 week past due on their rent. So that alone shows that governors across the country will be stopping both rent and mortgage payments before then. Weird situation. Very curious what our country's situation looks like even just 1 month from now.
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On March 27 2020 00:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:So this is happening and I wonder what it does for people who have varying opinions in regards to these two. I see it as a "fucking finally!" moment, while I can see others looking at it as this admin covering it's tracks/ass for whatever reason. The only comparison I can think of is Escobar in similarity, but it's still interesting to see what will become of this, if anything. Show nested quote +The Justice Department unsealed criminal charges against Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and other regime heavies on Thursday in connection with alleged narco-terrorism and drug smuggling into the United States.
Attorney General William Barr announced the charges at the Justice Department in Washington with some officials in attendance and others connected via teleconference — precautions taken amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The charges involved some 15 defendants between Maduro and other political and military leaders in Venezuela. They emerged in superseding indictments from federal authorities around the United States, Barr said. Source
There is some irony in looking to Bill Barr and Trump's DoJ for justice. I'd expect nothing to come of it other than maybe renewed calls for a coup in Venezuela from that war criminal Trump put in charge of the US's efforts there.
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The US has now temporarily surpassed Italy's total cases of known COVID-19 infections, and at this rate is expected to exceed China's total cases tomorrow.
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On March 27 2020 00:17 JimmiC wrote:I was able to find it on another "news" source. The other factual articles have titles such as "US the most prepared nation in the world to face corona virus", "LA's despotic Democrat mayor threatens to turn off power and water to quarantine scoffers" and "Virginia Gov Ralph KKK Northam Makes Attending Church Service a Crime". https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/joe-biden-accused-of-sexual-assault-accuser-breaks-silence/Perhaps Biff is being wise when he does not believe anything simply because it is against someone you don't like. It is completely reasonable, and prudent, to wait to see if it gets picked up by legitimate or even semi legitimate news sources before you tar and feather a guy. I'm pretty sure I can find some pretty salacious stuff on the internet about Bernie too. I mean I didn't see you toss Bernie aside when Warren's team made the claim of sexism against Bernie. Waiting to see how credible things are before you believe everything on the internet is a good rule to follow. Your, if it is against someone I like it's false and if it is against someone I dislike it is true can create a warped version of reality. By using different, more reasonable metrics you may think differently of the various dictatorships you support.
You don't need to go all the way to Bernie, though, I don't think GH would have believed those allegations if they were against Fidel Castro.
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