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On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really?
The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now.
This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th
One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day.
The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown.
If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
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On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump
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On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries.
Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa.
On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump
It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to.
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You guys are losing track of the fact that Mitch McConnell is supporting CASH payments to individuals. This being the same dude who basically can't stomach the existence of food stamps. The briefings they have had were very clear and it is why we're like "2 Trillion? That's peanuts for the issues we are looking at".
Trump is just making a fuss because it is all he knows how to do. And as more senators get sick, this entire operation is going to quickly become very bipartisan. Hell, we don't know what Trump's health will look like in 2 weeks.
Compare 2 weeks ago to today. I truly 11000% guarantee there will be no effort from Trump to disrupt stay at home orders 2 weeks from now.
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On March 26 2020 06:06 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:05 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter. There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened. There is only one god, and his name is economy.
Even though I agree with everyone in this thread that Trump's actions so far have been inept, I have to say that the choice between saving lives or saving money is too facile. The economy isn't just money. It's what makes it possible to live and realize yourself in our society. If we crash the economy like in the 1930s, this alone would probably destroy so many lives that it would make the impact of the virus itself pale in comparison. And I'm not just talking about people losing their livelihoods or their life's work; how can we uphold a decent healthcare system if the economy crashes completely? What would be the toll on society of having 30-40% unemployment? - that is what the economist in charge of one of the Swedish pension funds said was a real risk for us in the wake of this if Europe stays in lock down for a couple of months.
What I really think needs to be done now is to evaluate what measures have been effective and why. Study the differences between Sweden Denmark and Norway for instance. We have all had different responses to this. What, if anything, did the UK lose compared to countries that had more sever measures put in place earlier? Compare that to the impact on the economy of those measures. Something like that.
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On March 26 2020 07:27 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:06 Simberto wrote:On March 26 2020 06:05 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter. There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened. There is only one god, and his name is economy. Even though I agree with everyone in this thread that Trump's actions so far have been inept, I have to say that the choice between saving lives or saving money is too facile. The economy isn't just money. It's what makes it possible to live and realize yourself in our society. If we crash the economy like in the 1930s, this alone would probably destroy so many lives that it would make the impact of the virus itself pale in comparison. And I'm not just talking about people losing their livelihoods or their life's work; how can we uphold a decent healthcare system if the economy crashes completely? What would be the toll on society of having 30-40% unemployment? - that is what the economist in charge of one of the Swedish pension funds said was a real risk for us in the wake of this if Europe stays in lock down for a couple of months. What I really think needs to be done now is to evaluate what measures have been effective and why. Study the differences between Sweden Denmark and Norway for instance. We have all had different responses to this. What, if anything, did the UK lose compared to countries that had more sever measures put in place earlier. Compare that to the impact on the economy of those measures. Something like that.
You do realize that what you've described is basically a kind of pandemic economy eugenics?
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On March 26 2020 07:27 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:06 Simberto wrote:On March 26 2020 06:05 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter. There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened. There is only one god, and his name is economy. The economy isn't just money. It's what makes it possible to live and realize yourself in our society.
Maybe that's an issue
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On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome.
I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner.
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On March 26 2020 07:27 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:06 Simberto wrote:On March 26 2020 06:05 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter. There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened. There is only one god, and his name is economy. Even though I agree with everyone in this thread that Trump's actions so far have been inept, I have to say that the choice between saving lives or saving money is too facile. The economy isn't just money. It's what makes it possible to live and realize yourself in our society. If we crash the economy like in the 1930s, this alone would probably destroy so many lives that it would make the impact of the virus itself pale in comparison. And I'm not just talking about people losing their livelihoods or their life's work; how can we uphold a decent healthcare system if the economy crashes completely? What would be the toll on society of having 30-40% unemployment? - that is what the economist in charge of one of the Swedish pension funds said was a real risk for us in the wake of this if Europe stays in lock down for a couple of months. What I really think needs to be done now is to evaluate what measures have been effective and why. Study the differences between Sweden Denmark and Norway for instance. We have all had different responses to this. What, if anything, did the UK lose compared to countries that had more sever measures put in place earlier? Compare that to the impact on the economy of those measures. Something like that.
Hey can you get me any reliable sources on how a containment will crash the economy and how that will destroy more lives than 1.5millions deaths (best case scenario atm) in the US. I would also love to see the maths behind it. Is it a Thanos kind of argument ?
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On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused.
I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. I am confident that despite all the meddling by the DNC, Bernie never had a chance. He's simply losing by way too much. It isn't close. He's not anywhere near 51%.
If Bernie was losing like 48 vs 52, it would be a different story. So long as I believe Bernie wouldn't have hit 51% regardless, it just doesn't feel worth talking about. The DNC sucks and they have their preferred candidate, I hate it, but it wasn't nearly enough to cause what we are currently seeing.
So long as Bernie has absolutely no path (aside from Biden dying) to the white house, it doesn't feel worth discussing. Biden will be the nominee unless Biden dies. But I kinda get the feeling that if Biden does, Bernie probably dies too, if we're talking about Corona. Even Warren is 70. I honestly have a hard time deciding who would end up being the nominee if Corona really does clean house of old people.
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On March 26 2020 07:27 Elroi wrote:
how can we uphold a decent healthcare system if the economy crashes completely?
What would be the toll on society of having 30-40% unemployment?
2013 Greece peak unemployment rate: 27.8%
2016 Greece peak unemployment rate: 24.3%
2013 USA peak unemployment rate: 8.0%
2016 USA peak unemployment rate: 5.0%
2013 Greece life expectancy: 81.29 yr
2016 Greece life expectancy: 81.04 yr
2013 USA life expectancy: 78.74 yr
2016 USA life expectancy: 78.69 yr
Employment rate does not appear to have a strong correlation with life expectancy.
Also you no longer have a "decent" healthcare system if the hospitals are filled with contagious infected patients gasping for air.
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On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner
Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning.
Edited for clarity: The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents.
Just to be precise, Reuters was one of few outlets to literally say Pete won despite the clear errors.
Buttigieg narrowly wins Iowa caucuses: state party results
On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed.
No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters.
EDIT: Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Especially when people who allegedly care about democracy simply wave it off as inconsequential (when we've overthrown sovereign governments for less in the name of protecting democracy).
That's without even touching the "shadow inc." stuff
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So has Trump won his second term yet? Or is Bernie still in with a chance of winning the primary?
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On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. Show nested quote +The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight.
Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona.
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On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona.
I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom.
10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results.
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On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:
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Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick.
Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:
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Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick.
Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results.
If that's what you choose to believe, be my guest. I think you know we are applying different thoughts to different numbers on different contexts. I am 100% fine with Democrats spinning Bernie's probably win as barely not a win in the context that Bernie would still be 100% fucked if the DNC instead gave all Iowa delegates to Bernie. Do the same with South Carolina. Doesn't matter, he'd still be toast. That is why it doesn't matter. If this race were close, I'd be going nuts. I'm not. If you want to take that and say "so you're fine with election fraud", be my guest.
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