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On March 25 2020 23:16 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 22:54 Simberto wrote:
I think this corona thing is quite similar to the climate crisis, only faster.
It is not horribly bad right now, but any realistic estimate shows that it will get really, really bad. And still a lot of people only see "It is not horribly bad right now", and completely ignore the future estimations. Yes, and the arguments/blind spots are remarkably similar (namely the role of capitalism). I'm not optimistic that the US is going to get right about either in time. Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:07 farvacola wrote:
Word is that the bailout bill prohibits monies being given to any entity in which federal politicians have an interest, which includes Trump properties. Trump may veto the bill because of that, so some crazy fireworks may be set off soon. A mortgage freeze/relief without a rent freeze as well from what I'm hearing. It is a shit bill by my estimation.
You've gotta be fucking kidding me about the no rent freeze. The minimum wage workers most vulnerable to the virus aren't living in houses...
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On March 26 2020 05:27 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 25 2020 22:54 Simberto wrote:
I think this corona thing is quite similar to the climate crisis, only faster.
It is not horribly bad right now, but any realistic estimate shows that it will get really, really bad. And still a lot of people only see "It is not horribly bad right now", and completely ignore the future estimations. Yes, and the arguments/blind spots are remarkably similar (namely the role of capitalism). I'm not optimistic that the US is going to get right about either in time. On March 25 2020 23:07 farvacola wrote:
Word is that the bailout bill prohibits monies being given to any entity in which federal politicians have an interest, which includes Trump properties. Trump may veto the bill because of that, so some crazy fireworks may be set off soon. A mortgage freeze/relief without a rent freeze as well from what I'm hearing. It is a shit bill by my estimation. You've gotta be fucking kidding me about the no rent freeze. The minimum wage workers most vulnerable to the virus aren't living in houses...
Wont someone think of the poor landlords!
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The US president is now claiming that the "LameStream Media" is trying to get him to "keep [the] country closed" to prevent him from winning the upcoming presidential election.
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I mean he doesn't really have the power to do anything about the shutdowns. He never declared a federal response to the virus so everything's been done on the state level.
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This whole ordeal kind of doesn't feel worth talking about because 2 weeks from now there will be absolutely no one saying we should open back up.
The issue Trump has is that it looks like we'll shut down longer than China did. But 2 weeks from now, NO one will be saying "this is fine, turn the lights on". Not even Trump. I am not worried. Worried for the country, not worried he'll still be trying to say it is ok.
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I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory.
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On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory.
Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick.
Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really?
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
If there's anything worse for the economy than locking down for two months - it's locking down for one month, resetting the full spread of the virus, realizing you made a mistake, and then locking down again for another two months. Not that this is really in Trump's jurisdiction - the states have pretty much all made their own decision on what they are and are not doing about the spread of the virus.
That's some remarkably bad posturing from the president.
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On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really?
Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter.
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On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really?
In 2 weeks our infection numbers will likely be totally nuts. Fox News is already on board with this being a train wreck shit show. Trump is being super wishful right now. It isn't possible.
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On March 26 2020 05:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? In 2 weeks our infection numbers will likely be totally nuts. Fox News is already on board with this being a train wreck shit show. Trump is being super wishful right now. It isn't possible.
Honestly, at this point i would never say something is too stupid to be possible in american politics. The US managed to elect Donald Trump after all.
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On March 26 2020 05:42 Sermokala wrote:
I mean he doesn't really have the power to do anything about the shutdowns. He never declared a federal response to the virus so everything's been done on the state level.
Yep-he didn't even use any of the provisions of the Defense Production Act despite invoking it.
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On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter.
There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened.
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On March 26 2020 06:05 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter. There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened.
There is only one god, and his name is economy.
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I think his political opponents should take out billboards in high-visibility areas of Trump with speech bubbles of his desire to re-open the country by Easter, and keep them up through April. When he says dumb things that he will obviously backtrack on later, he usually gets away with it, in part because it isn't in everyone's face.
I'm not even talking about negative ads... the billboards can even be celebratory in nature. Just keep them up as the crisis gets worse.
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On March 26 2020 06:05 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:53 farvacola wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? Yes really, nothing you referenced will be anything like what will transpire during the lead up to Easter. There are elected officials on TV saying how grandma and grandpa will gladly die so stock prices go up. This country is getting opened. An easy thing to say while nothing appears to be going on. Harder to do when the deaths roll in fast and plentiful.
I think the idea that the brave talk now will disapear as this crisis grows bigger is not unreasonable.
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When we come as close to normalcy as possible with coronavirus, I wonder how much this will change the national security discussions in the U.S. and the West. It's been terrorism-centered for the past two decades, but this has been a massively traumatic international event for people and governments and I expect more focus given to pandemic control and the potential for rights and civil liberties to be curtailed to contain them.
For example, the world could look to the model of East Asian countries that were successful at containing the virus like South Korea and Taiwan, who can partly attribute their success to use of big data and surveillance, and the population there have generally have taken their privacy as a worthwhile sacrifice for collective public health. On the same vein, this incident could incite people fixated over border control to press for stricter limits under the guise of preventing pandemics. Then there will be those who exploit this whirlwind of chaos and uncertainty to push for more power, which is something to be vigilant about.
I hope at the least we've learned the value of listening to warning signals early on and being prepared and maintaining a solid public health infrastructure. Same applies for other global challenges like environmental ones which cannot be tackled as an island or ignored for too long before it hits the fan.
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On March 26 2020 06:00 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 05:48 farvacola wrote:
I agree, Mohdoo, the risk that there’ll be any real push to open things up seems very low given the trajectory. Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick. Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? In 2 weeks our infection numbers will likely be totally nuts. Fox News is already on board with this being a train wreck shit show. Trump is being super wishful right now. It isn't possible. Honestly, at this point i would never say something is too stupid to be possible in american politics. The US managed to elect Donald Trump after all.
You are quick to blame the voters when the alternative could have turned out to be just as bad. It doesn't shed a good light on the two-party system that the other candidate was the wife of a former president involved in scandals and with ties to Epstein, though those seem to be everywhere.
Feels like politics almost everywhere has degenerated into a little circle of regulars passing the ball between each other.
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It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries.
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