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On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:
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Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick.
Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:On March 26 2020 05:50 IyMoon wrote:
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Are you guys kidding? Have you not seen the country these past 3 years? Trump is going to open this thing up and people are going to go to church on easter and then its going to be the democrats fault that everyone got sick.
Like do you really think anything else is going to happen? Really? The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results.
I am confused... what false results? Bernie got most votes and pete won the delegates because of the break down in districts? Thats a known thing and not like they hid it
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On March 26 2020 08:41 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:[quote] The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:[quote] The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results. If that's what you choose to believe, be my guest. I think you know we are applying different thoughts to different numbers on different contexts. I am 100% fine with Democrats spinning Bernie's probably win as barely not a win in the context that Bernie would still be 100% fucked if the DNC instead gave all Iowa delegates to Bernie. Do the same with South Carolina. Doesn't matter, he'd still be toast. That is why it doesn't matter. If this race were close, I'd be going nuts. I'm not. If you want to take that and say "so you're fine with election fraud", be my guest.
I'm just pointing out the argument is necessarily accepting of false election results as a matter of fact. You can rationalize it how you wish.
On March 26 2020 08:42 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:[quote] The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:[quote] The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results. I am confused... what false results? Bernie got most votes and pete won the delegates because of the break down in districts? Thats a known thing and not like they hid it
Several election folks looked over the numbers and there were several glaring reporting and delegate calculation errors that resulted in Pete being assigned delegates he didn't earn (and denying Bernie delegates he did). Iowa Democrats said "We don't have time to correct every error" he continued “But to me, over-allocating delegates is such a critical error, and raises such a question of unfairness, that we need to take action to correct it.”.
they didn't correct them.
That's why despite Democrats certifying the results most media outlets refused to say the results were legitimate.
The Associated Press has declined to call a winner in the race, citing “remaining concerns about whether the results as reported by the party are fully accurate.” The AP is a widely relied upon source, including by the Des Moines Register, of neutral election observations and projections.
www.thehawkeye.com
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On March 26 2020 08:41 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:[quote] The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:On March 26 2020 06:54 Lmui wrote:[quote] The USA is sitting around 220 confirmed deaths a day right now. This figure is where Italy was at on Mar. 13th One week later, they are at the current figures of ~600-800 deaths a day. The USA has barely tried in many states to do anything about C19 going by the infection rate and is probably going to be in the exclusive 1000-1500 deaths a day club next week. By Easter, if it grows 3-4x to the point where thousands of people are dying every day from it, hopefully the lunatics will have shut up and will go along with the shutdown. If you look at the graphs on here, setting them to logarithmic instead of linear, you'll see that Italy's slowing down the exponential growth. On the other hand, the USA is linear on a logarithmic scale meaning that measures up til a week ago weren't having any impact on it. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results. If that's what you choose to believe, be my guest. I think you know we are applying different thoughts to different numbers on different contexts. I am 100% fine with Democrats spinning Bernie's probably win as barely not a win in the context that Bernie would still be 100% fucked if the DNC instead gave all Iowa delegates to Bernie. Do the same with South Carolina. Doesn't matter, he'd still be toast. That is why it doesn't matter. If this race were close, I'd be going nuts. I'm not. If you want to take that and say "so you're fine with election fraud", be my guest.
Why does Biden's SC voters count for shit when they haven't voted for a Democrat in the general since fucking Jimmy Carter and then Republican further back until Kennedy? That race won't be close and it's an all or nothing vote.
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On March 26 2020 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Compare 2 weeks ago to today. I truly 11000% guarantee there will be no effort from Trump to disrupt stay at home orders 2 weeks from now.
apparently NBC and CNN are thinking about not airing Trump's briefings in full anymore.
A president who continues to lie and gets people killed, along with media outlets not even carrying what he says anymore. Does Trump even make it to the election?
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On March 26 2020 08:58 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Compare 2 weeks ago to today. I truly 11000% guarantee there will be no effort from Trump to disrupt stay at home orders 2 weeks from now. apparently NBC and CNN are thinking about not airing Trump's briefings in full anymore. A president who continues to lie and gets people killed, along with media outlets not even carrying what he says anymore. Does Trump even make it to the election?
As long as Trump wants to be president and wins elections, he will, because the Senate will continue to say that the Emperor does in fact have clothes.
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Depends on how bad it gets. And if societal norms (rule of law) is thrown out. If he declares martial law to corral protesters due to the economy/virus handling, then it could get interesting. And definitely not for the right reasons. I don't see that happening in the slightest, however.
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On March 26 2020 08:54 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:41 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:
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I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:
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I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results. If that's what you choose to believe, be my guest. I think you know we are applying different thoughts to different numbers on different contexts. I am 100% fine with Democrats spinning Bernie's probably win as barely not a win in the context that Bernie would still be 100% fucked if the DNC instead gave all Iowa delegates to Bernie. Do the same with South Carolina. Doesn't matter, he'd still be toast. That is why it doesn't matter. If this race were close, I'd be going nuts. I'm not. If you want to take that and say "so you're fine with election fraud", be my guest. Why does Biden's SC voters count for shit when they haven't voted for a Democrat in the general since fucking Jimmy Carter and then Republican further back until Kennedy? That race won't be close and it's an all or nothing vote.
I'm all for going ultrapragmatic and only making swing states matter in primaries to optimize chances of winning-but if that's your go-to things would also be pretty bad for Sanders. Michigan, Florida, North Carolina are the purplest states so far, and especially Florida was a huge win for Biden. It's not like Sanders has a chance of changing the outcome in any states he won (I guess maybe Nevada is kind of purple? But that is a caucus, not a primary, so it's even harder to make a leap to general performance from those results than it already is from primaries).
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Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too.
When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden.
graphic details spoilered:
+ Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.”
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Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time.
newsone.com
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On March 26 2020 08:54 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:41 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 08:21 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:
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I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. then they found fault, didn’t declare a winner Pointless to argue with you but I have to point out this is factually wrong. They did certify results they knew were wrong and resulted in the wrong person winning. The Iowa Democratic Party certified the results from the state's caucuses on Saturday, with former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg slightly leading Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in state delegate equivalents. On March 26 2020 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 07:28 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 06:46 Sent. wrote:
It's the voters fault both of those candidates won their primaries. Well that's not entirely true if we look at Iowa. On March 26 2020 06:59 IyMoon wrote:
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I am not saying we are not going to get super sick, and a lot of people are going to die. I am saying thats not going to stop Trump It's not just Trump either. A lot of business leaders know the longer people are out of work the more impossible it becomes to get them back for the wages they used to. Yes Iowa was a fuck up, but it has been admitted and I think you would have to be insane at this point to think the minor discrepancies in one primary changed the outcome. I just have to point out that Democrats literally refused to acknowledge that the math/results showed Bernie won Iowa and instead declared someone else the winner. "fuck up" implies it wasn't an intentional action they had multiple chances to correct and refused. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong details relative to what is being discussed. No, I'm pointing out that where we had a clear paper trail and people were watching, Democrats literally overruled the voters. Just to lay it out simply. Voters voted for one candidate, Democrats said another won, so it is not entirely accurate to blame voters when the candidate they vote for can be denied winning in plain sight. Iowa is 26.1 vs 26.2%. I truly just don't care. + Show Spoiler +I could write a lot about what sorts of things are worth letting into your psyche, but I won't. This does not fall within the "good enough to occupy my thoughts" region of facts. The DNC took every opportunity to jab/stab/trip/bully Bernie, whenever possible. I agree. I agree that sucks.
However, especially in the current anxiety-inducing world of Corona, I am simply not going to allow myself to beat my chest over and over again about a battle that was lost without the DNC.
Black People didn't vote for Bernie. Young people didn't turn out. He got his ass kicked. It is 100% over and while I am not telling you to drop it, I am telling you why I have no interest in discussing it at this point. They kicked him while he was down, but he was down all on his own. We are seeing Bernie's early victories just didn't mean much. Still got his salad tossed.
I think it is important to not let the full extent of every negative thing in the world occupy my thoughts. It simply isn't healthy, especially for the things I can't help. I went crazy for Bernie and supported him right until his campaign's neck got snapped. That was a while ago, so I have moved on. NOW I am spending my anxiety on Corona. I know, that's sorta my point. No one can/should take people that make your or JimmiC's argument seriously if/when they care if/when the same thing happened with Trump and the Dem nom. 10 votes or 10,000 the argument concedes that you'll accept false election results. If that's what you choose to believe, be my guest. I think you know we are applying different thoughts to different numbers on different contexts. I am 100% fine with Democrats spinning Bernie's probably win as barely not a win in the context that Bernie would still be 100% fucked if the DNC instead gave all Iowa delegates to Bernie. Do the same with South Carolina. Doesn't matter, he'd still be toast. That is why it doesn't matter. If this race were close, I'd be going nuts. I'm not. If you want to take that and say "so you're fine with election fraud", be my guest. Why does Biden's SC voters count for shit when they haven't voted for a Democrat in the general since fucking Jimmy Carter and then Republican further back until Kennedy? That race won't be close and it's an all or nothing vote.
SC doesn't really matter. I was using it to show how completely beyond fucked Bernie is. Even if we gave him delegates from a state he got body slammed in, still super screwed.
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On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. Show nested quote +When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Show nested quote +Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com
I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this!
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I was waiting the double package of "Biden stole the election" and "Biden is the worst person in world history" based on anything the usual suspect can find on the internets. I give Bernie supporters two weeks to settle on a minor scandal, inflate it out of proportion and circle jerk around it to oblivion until after the election.
Oh and then blame the DNC and the neoliberal establishment for the reelection of Trump.
I would have prefered Bernie. But his rather inflammatory rhetoric didn't convince voters and Biden, which I am not very enthusiastic about, beat him fair and square. Can you avoid being as obnoxious as last time and not lock yourself into "yes but Hillary" mode? We would like to see that nefarious clown out of the White House and the only way it will happen now is if Biden wins. You'll have four years to spit on him afterward. Thanks.
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On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this!
Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point.
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On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point.
At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary?
Good to see that the rotten neoliberal establishment dems just fought an epic battle with the administration - and found a successful compromise - so that the relieve effort was not directed exclusively to the corporations and businesses but also to the people and in particular the most vulnerable people. I expect the comrades to find the deal shit and criticize them for compromising at all, am I right?
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On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary?
I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore.
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On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore.
Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity.
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On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? Good to see that the rotten neoliberal establishment dems just fought an epic battle with the administration - and found a successful compromise - so that the relieve effort was not directed exclusively to the corporations and businesses but also to the people and in particular the most vulnerable people. I expect the comrades to find the deal shit and criticize them for compromising at all, am I right?
The current bill certainly looks a lot better than the original. It's a shame that corporations are still getting a gigantic bailout (at least now with a few strings attached) and that the main "compromise" was just piling an extra $1 trillion onto the original bill, but that's just how things work, I guess. I would have preferred to see airlines get a lot less aid and for Boeing to receive a well-deserved smackdown, but it was not to be. At least cruise liners seem to be getting very little here due to their general non-US status.
Best we could've hoped for, but a slower yet significant downsizing of the airline industry is hopefully in our future. It'll be a shame if it just goes right back to where it was.
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On March 26 2020 22:30 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? Good to see that the rotten neoliberal establishment dems just fought an epic battle with the administration - and found a successful compromise - so that the relieve effort was not directed exclusively to the corporations and businesses but also to the people and in particular the most vulnerable people. I expect the comrades to find the deal shit and criticize them for compromising at all, am I right? The current bill certainly looks a lot better than the original. It's a shame that corporations are still getting a gigantic bailout (at least now with a few strings attached) and that the main "compromise" was just piling an extra $1 trillion onto the original bill, but that's just how things work, I guess. I would have preferred to see airlines get a lot less aid and for Boeing to receive a well-deserved smackdown, but it was not to be. At least cruise liners seem to be getting very little here due to their general non-US status. Best we could've hoped for, but a slower yet significant downsizing of the airline industry is hopefully in order. It'll be a shame if it just goes right back to where it was.
Well, the reality is that one of the negociators in that story was Trump, so it was never gonna be the deal we dream of. But good to see the democrats did their job and that people won't get totally screwed.
I don't quite know what the consequences of letting whole companies from the airline industry of Boeing crash but it might be something that is out if question for any government...
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On March 26 2020 22:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 26 2020 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 26 2020 15:07 mierin wrote:On March 26 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Biden is facing renewed allegations, additional details from an interview with a former Biden staffer allege Biden didn't just harass her but sexually assaulted her too. When Reade initially came out about her experience with Biden, she told The Union that he did uncomfortable things like “put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck.” Reade also said that she cut ties with Biden’s office over an early 1993 staff argument. According to Reade, Biden wanted her to serve drinks because he liked her legs. Reade says she didn’t hear this directly from Biden but she learned of it during her argument with staff. Reade refused to serve the drinks, which she believes was a move that affected her career.
“My life was hell,” Reade said. “This was about power and control. I couldn’t get a job on the Hill.” She eventually left Biden’s office in August of 1993.
Now, Reade is speaking out even more with a sexual assault allegation against Biden. graphic details spoilered: + Show Spoiler +In the interview excerpt, which is posted to Soundcloud, Reade described a graphic 1993 incident where a superior asked her to take a gym bag to Biden “down towards the capital.” Then she recalls being called towards the “side area” where Biden greeted her.
“We were alone and it was the strangest thing,” she said. “There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall.”
Reade went on to say that she was wearing a business skirt with no stockings because it was hot at the time. While up against the wall, Reade says Biden’s “hands were on me and underneath my clothes.”
“He went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers,” Reade emotionally continued.
Reade also said Biden was kissing her and saying multiple things to her. She remembered a couple of the comments.
“I remember him saying first, like as he was doing it, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else,'” she said. “And then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I kind of just pulled back and he said, ‘Come on man, I heard you liked me.’ And that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said and I can’t remember exactly if he said ‘i thought’ or ‘I heard’ but he implied that I had done this.”
Reade then went on to say that “everything shattered in that moment” because she knew that there were no witnesses and she looked up to him. “He was like my father’s age,” she said. “He was like this champion of women’s rights in my eyes and I couldn’t believe it was happening. It seemed surreal.”
Reade then said Biden grabbed her by the shoulders and said, “You’re okay. You’re fine” and proceeded to walk away.
Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.” . Halper said she spoke with Reade’s brother and close friend, and both of them recall Reade telling them about the alleged assault at the time. newsone.com I'm sure the staunchest of the "believe women" crowd during the Kavanaugh hearings will be asking for lots of evidence for this! Yeah, I'm not expecting much integrity from the Dem's on this or much else at this point. At what point did you expect anything from the dems outside of voting for Sanders if he won the primary? I've expected plenty from Dems over the years, I'm just saying any semblance of integrity isn't something I expect from Democrats/Biden apologists anymore. Right. I'm certain that, had Bernie won, you would have spent as much energy at inflating any "scandal" about him you could find - while disregarding totally how insignificant they are compared to anything in Trump's criminal resumé - as you did last time, and as I expect you to do this time. Question of integrity.
I appreciate your frustrations but it won't detour Republicans and Trump from being able to credibly use their favorite strategy of accusing their opposition of their own flaws. In this case, Republicans/Trump will be able to accurately say that Democrats are supporting someone credibly accused of rape for president.
edit: That sort of whataboutism will be far more effective with Republican voters from Trump than it will be with voters on the left. If for no other reason than people on the left have no problem pointing out both Trump and Biden are deplorable. Even if Biden apologists focus on how Trump is worse, as if that exculpates Biden from being unacceptable
Suggesting credible rape allegations are "inflating any 'scandal'" doesn't look any less gross coming from neolibs btw.
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The issue with that Biden story is that I haven't seen any corroboration from any sites I usually read (and I don't stick to mainstream newspapers). The lack of corroboration usually indicates that there's some underlying issue why other places aren't running with it.
When even Brietbart isn't mentioning it, there's gotta be a reason (I went there just to check if this was there).
That said, this was one of the reasons why I thought Biden would be a terrible nominee.
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