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On March 18 2020 09:49 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 09:34 semantics wrote:
Shelter in place orders will flat out kill many businesses. Outside of direct cash to them such things would cause many to lapse on their rent and loans.
I can see Amazon making off like a bandit during this getting increase of sales while getting government aid. I had an elderly man come in my store today because we were open and it's senior day, so he got 10% off. He said he's coming back tomorrow too to get stuff he might have missed while looking. He should not be out of his house. We shouldn't be open. People will get sick because the company wants to make 4K a day from a dead store because the local competition had the decency to fucking close. People will die because they're too god damn stupid, greedy, or both. Amazon is in a hiring spree right now because they can't keep up with orders.
Some stores simply can't afford to close unless they give freeze rent/lease freeze as well. Can't necessarily put this on the owner alone, as some stores rely on an income stream to pay the bills.
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On March 18 2020 10:17 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2020 09:34 semantics wrote:
Shelter in place orders will flat out kill many businesses. Outside of direct cash to them such things would cause many to lapse on their rent and loans.
I can see Amazon making off like a bandit during this getting increase of sales while getting government aid. I had an elderly man come in my store today because we were open and it's senior day, so he got 10% off. He said he's coming back tomorrow too to get stuff he might have missed while looking. He should not be out of his house. We shouldn't be open. People will get sick because the company wants to make 4K a day from a dead store because the local competition had the decency to fucking close. People will die because they're too god damn stupid, greedy, or both. Amazon is in a hiring spree right now because they can't keep up with orders. Some stores simply can't afford to close unless they give freeze rent/lease freeze as well. Gonna put it down to being in a shit situation.
Mine absolutely can.
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On March 18 2020 10:17 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 10:17 Amui wrote:On March 18 2020 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2020 09:34 semantics wrote:
Shelter in place orders will flat out kill many businesses. Outside of direct cash to them such things would cause many to lapse on their rent and loans.
I can see Amazon making off like a bandit during this getting increase of sales while getting government aid. I had an elderly man come in my store today because we were open and it's senior day, so he got 10% off. He said he's coming back tomorrow too to get stuff he might have missed while looking. He should not be out of his house. We shouldn't be open. People will get sick because the company wants to make 4K a day from a dead store because the local competition had the decency to fucking close. People will die because they're too god damn stupid, greedy, or both. Amazon is in a hiring spree right now because they can't keep up with orders. Some stores simply can't afford to close unless they give freeze rent/lease freeze as well. Gonna put it down to being in a shit situation. Mine absolutely can.
Well in that case, yeah fuck the owner.
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On March 18 2020 10:18 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 10:17 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2020 10:17 Amui wrote:On March 18 2020 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2020 09:34 semantics wrote:
Shelter in place orders will flat out kill many businesses. Outside of direct cash to them such things would cause many to lapse on their rent and loans.
I can see Amazon making off like a bandit during this getting increase of sales while getting government aid. I had an elderly man come in my store today because we were open and it's senior day, so he got 10% off. He said he's coming back tomorrow too to get stuff he might have missed while looking. He should not be out of his house. We shouldn't be open. People will get sick because the company wants to make 4K a day from a dead store because the local competition had the decency to fucking close. People will die because they're too god damn stupid, greedy, or both. Amazon is in a hiring spree right now because they can't keep up with orders. Some stores simply can't afford to close unless they give freeze rent/lease freeze as well. Gonna put it down to being in a shit situation. Mine absolutely can. Well in that case, yeah fuck the owner.
To clarify, 4k is the profit the store is making now while the store is basically dead all day.
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Why do I have the feeling that Trump will use the current pandemic as an excuse to postpone the presidential election?
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Im laid off from restaraunt work and im scared i wont get the stimulus check because i didnt file a tax return last year 
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On March 18 2020 15:41 Neneu wrote:
Why do I have the feeling that Trump will use the current pandemic as an excuse to postpone the presidential election?
Trump is very unpredictable.
But this won't happen. If the election is somehow delayed, Trump and Pence are still out in January 2021, with Pelosi next in line.
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Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran...
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On March 18 2020 19:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran...
How familiar are you with the powers of the president under a national emergency and martial law? Because my reading suggests he could, just like he could lock them down if they keep having beach parties like they have been in Florida or whatever.
Not to mention laws/norms have failed to stop Trump plenty of times already.
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On March 18 2020 15:41 Neneu wrote:
Why do I have the feeling that Trump will use the current pandemic as an excuse to postpone the presidential election? Lets be real, I don't expect this epidemic to still be in full swing in November but if it is then you can certainly make a case for postponing elections or preferably changing it to a full on mail-in election but that is probably not feasible.
Speculations about Trump wanting to stay in power aside, holding an election during a full on epidemic is probably a very bad idea.
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On March 18 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 19:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran... How familiar are you with the powers of the president under a national emergency and martial law? Because my reading suggests he could, just like he could lock them down if they keep having beach parties like they have been in Florida or whatever. Not to mention laws/norms have failed to stop Trump plenty of times already.
It is extremely unlikely. Not once have they ever been delayed. It takes an act of Congress to do it, as it is specified directly in the Constitution that the states get to run them how they wish. He can say "elections are delayed" and the states are totally free to ignore him. The president can ignore certain things in wartime, like habeaus corpus under Lincoln, but this isn't one of those things. He has literally no authority over it - he'd have to have the military literally go into states and stop the voting.
He could ask but unless there's a literal zombie apocalypse he won't get enough states and judges to agree, and it DOES take an amendment to prevent him from being out of office 1/20/21 (ie, even if he does get everyone to agree the delay could be a month at most - an amendment is implausible).
His popularity isn't good enough to force this thing through in blue states, or even purple ones, and I can see it falling a lot in red ones once how bad this is gets clearer
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On March 18 2020 20:51 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 18 2020 19:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran... How familiar are you with the powers of the president under a national emergency and martial law? Because my reading suggests he could, just like he could lock them down if they keep having beach parties like they have been in Florida or whatever. Not to mention laws/norms have failed to stop Trump plenty of times already. It is extremely unlikely. Not once have they ever been delayed. It takes an act of Congress to do it, as it is specified directly in the Constitution that the states get to run them how they wish. He can say "elections are delayed" and the states are totally free to ignore him. The president can ignore certain things in wartime, like habeaus corpus under Lincoln, but this isn't one of those things. He has literally no authority over it - he'd have to have the military literally go into states and stop the voting. He could ask but unless there's a literal zombie apocalypse he won't get enough states and judges to agree, and it DOES take an amendment to prevent him from being out of office 1/20/21 (ie, even if he does get everyone to agree the delay could be a month at most - an amendment is implausible). His popularity isn't good enough to force this thing through in blue states, or even purple ones, and I can see it falling a lot in red ones once how bad this is gets clearer
I wish I could believe you were right. I really do. Unfortunately I don't think Biden can win even a straight-up genuine election which I doubt anyone is going to argue we will have anyway.
So even if I get to where I agree with your argument, I'm left short of satisfactory resolution.
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Northern Ireland25318 Posts
On March 18 2020 21:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 20:51 Nevuk wrote:On March 18 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 18 2020 19:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran... How familiar are you with the powers of the president under a national emergency and martial law? Because my reading suggests he could, just like he could lock them down if they keep having beach parties like they have been in Florida or whatever. Not to mention laws/norms have failed to stop Trump plenty of times already. It is extremely unlikely. Not once have they ever been delayed. It takes an act of Congress to do it, as it is specified directly in the Constitution that the states get to run them how they wish. He can say "elections are delayed" and the states are totally free to ignore him. The president can ignore certain things in wartime, like habeaus corpus under Lincoln, but this isn't one of those things. He has literally no authority over it - he'd have to have the military literally go into states and stop the voting. He could ask but unless there's a literal zombie apocalypse he won't get enough states and judges to agree, and it DOES take an amendment to prevent him from being out of office 1/20/21 (ie, even if he does get everyone to agree the delay could be a month at most - an amendment is implausible). His popularity isn't good enough to force this thing through in blue states, or even purple ones, and I can see it falling a lot in red ones once how bad this is gets clearer I wish I could believe you were right. I really do. Unfortunately I don't think Biden can win even a straight-up genuine election which I doubt anyone is going to argue we will have anyway. So even if I get to where I agree with your argument, I'm left short of satisfactory resolution.
I’m generally similarly pessimistic but I think Trump trying such shenanigans would be way overplaying his hand into ‘this guy is a dictator’ territory, out of where we sit now in ‘given a chance he would be’ in many’s assessment.
Biden absolutely can win, I think he has more chance than I did even a week ago it really does depend on how badly the corona situation escalates. His administration’s handling thus far and especially his own personal interjections and pontification son the subject have been lacking, but it will also rank the ‘strong economy’ that is frequently lauded as his strong suit for much of the country.
There are the die-hards who actually like him and his signature walls and locking up children, but that segment is I’d imagine relatively small to the one that is willing to look the other way as long as business is running as usual.
As an entirely unrelated aside, not that we weren’t moving that way already but Amazon and the huge retailers like Walmart are surely going to finish their progression and butcher local stores and businesses if there’s any kind of long-term disruption.
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On March 18 2020 22:15 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 21:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 18 2020 20:51 Nevuk wrote:On March 18 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 18 2020 19:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran... How familiar are you with the powers of the president under a national emergency and martial law? Because my reading suggests he could, just like he could lock them down if they keep having beach parties like they have been in Florida or whatever. Not to mention laws/norms have failed to stop Trump plenty of times already. It is extremely unlikely. Not once have they ever been delayed. It takes an act of Congress to do it, as it is specified directly in the Constitution that the states get to run them how they wish. He can say "elections are delayed" and the states are totally free to ignore him. The president can ignore certain things in wartime, like habeaus corpus under Lincoln, but this isn't one of those things. He has literally no authority over it - he'd have to have the military literally go into states and stop the voting. He could ask but unless there's a literal zombie apocalypse he won't get enough states and judges to agree, and it DOES take an amendment to prevent him from being out of office 1/20/21 (ie, even if he does get everyone to agree the delay could be a month at most - an amendment is implausible). His popularity isn't good enough to force this thing through in blue states, or even purple ones, and I can see it falling a lot in red ones once how bad this is gets clearer I wish I could believe you were right. I really do. Unfortunately I don't think Biden can win even a straight-up genuine election which I doubt anyone is going to argue we will have anyway. So even if I get to where I agree with your argument, I'm left short of satisfactory resolution. I’m generally similarly pessimistic but I think Trump trying such shenanigans would be way overplaying his hand into ‘this guy is a dictator’ territory, out of where we sit now in ‘given a chance he would be’ in many’s assessment. Biden absolutely can win, I think he has more chance than I did even a week ago it really does depend on how badly the corona situation escalates. His administration’s handling thus far and especially his own personal interjections and pontification son the subject have been lacking, but it will also rank the ‘strong economy’ that is frequently lauded as his strong suit for much of the country. There are the die-hards who actually like him and his signature walls and locking up children, but that segment is I’d imagine relatively small to the one that is willing to look the other way as long as business is running as usual. As an entirely unrelated aside, not that we weren’t moving that way already but Amazon and the huge retailers like Walmart are surely going to finish their progression and butcher local stores and businesses if there’s any kind of long-term disruption.
Considering Trump is positioning himself to the left of many Democrats on his corona response putting money in the pockets of people and forced Democrats to look like they are depriving people of direct checks because they don't want to 'help' big employers too if they try to argue for a bigger check or less corporate bailouts I don't think it will hurt him more than Democrats (who will be in power in some of the worst hit states).
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Northern Ireland25318 Posts
On March 18 2020 22:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 22:15 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 18 2020 21:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 18 2020 20:51 Nevuk wrote:On March 18 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 18 2020 19:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Presidents can’t stop elections, those are state ran... How familiar are you with the powers of the president under a national emergency and martial law? Because my reading suggests he could, just like he could lock them down if they keep having beach parties like they have been in Florida or whatever. Not to mention laws/norms have failed to stop Trump plenty of times already. It is extremely unlikely. Not once have they ever been delayed. It takes an act of Congress to do it, as it is specified directly in the Constitution that the states get to run them how they wish. He can say "elections are delayed" and the states are totally free to ignore him. The president can ignore certain things in wartime, like habeaus corpus under Lincoln, but this isn't one of those things. He has literally no authority over it - he'd have to have the military literally go into states and stop the voting. He could ask but unless there's a literal zombie apocalypse he won't get enough states and judges to agree, and it DOES take an amendment to prevent him from being out of office 1/20/21 (ie, even if he does get everyone to agree the delay could be a month at most - an amendment is implausible). His popularity isn't good enough to force this thing through in blue states, or even purple ones, and I can see it falling a lot in red ones once how bad this is gets clearer I wish I could believe you were right. I really do. Unfortunately I don't think Biden can win even a straight-up genuine election which I doubt anyone is going to argue we will have anyway. So even if I get to where I agree with your argument, I'm left short of satisfactory resolution. I’m generally similarly pessimistic but I think Trump trying such shenanigans would be way overplaying his hand into ‘this guy is a dictator’ territory, out of where we sit now in ‘given a chance he would be’ in many’s assessment. Biden absolutely can win, I think he has more chance than I did even a week ago it really does depend on how badly the corona situation escalates. His administration’s handling thus far and especially his own personal interjections and pontification son the subject have been lacking, but it will also rank the ‘strong economy’ that is frequently lauded as his strong suit for much of the country. There are the die-hards who actually like him and his signature walls and locking up children, but that segment is I’d imagine relatively small to the one that is willing to look the other way as long as business is running as usual. As an entirely unrelated aside, not that we weren’t moving that way already but Amazon and the huge retailers like Walmart are surely going to finish their progression and butcher local stores and businesses if there’s any kind of long-term disruption. Considering Trump is positioning himself to the left of many Democrats on his corona response putting money in the pockets of people and forced Democrats to look like they are depriving people of direct checks because they don't want to 'help' big employers too if they try to argue for a bigger check or less corporate bailouts I don't think it will hurt him more than Democrats (who will be in power in some of the worst hit states).
Ah yes, I sometimes forget that what I think is a good idea doesn’t always play out that way in wider attitudes.
Perhaps you are right there, it really depends how blame is proportioned and how bad corona gets in the interim.
Trump will probably skate the line between taking singular credit for the economy and then extricating himself from being tied to it dropping due to an ‘act of god’ and people will probably swallow it.
For the record I don’t think it would be his fault, but equally I don’t think Presidents can take quite so much credit for the sum interactions of 300 million people and trends outside one’s borders.
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On March 18 2020 22:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
As an entirely unrelated aside, not that we weren’t moving that way already but Amazon and the huge retailers like Walmart are surely going to finish their progression and butcher local stores and businesses if there’s any kind of long-term disruption.
I'm honestly under the impression that that already happened over a decade ago. Small shops got crowded out long ago across almost all of the country, and the only places I've seen that not happen are in dying cities where it isn't even profitable to have a Walmart.
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Trump announced he's invoking the Defense Production Act
This is equal parts terrifying and necessary imo, with a *Trump* multiplier of at least 10 imo
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I'm just left confused after press conferences like this. Not clear what's happening, and it seems like half the media is there to just get a gotcha moment out of Trump rather than ask for meaningful clarification. I guess they're going to move some medical equipment into where they can actively do some good?
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Reactivating the act is a threshold move that doesn’t say a lot in itself, other than the executive now has expanded requisition and resource gathering powers. Yes, it authorizes the president to force private entities to do things related to an emergency, but beyond that, specifics will only be made clear as time goes on.
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On March 19 2020 01:51 LegalLord wrote:I'm just left confused after press conferences like this. Not clear what's happening, and it seems like half the media is there to just get a gotcha moment out of Trump rather than ask for meaningful clarification. I guess they're going to move some medical equipment into where they can actively do some good?
To be fair it isn't as though he could give meaningful clarification on what this act is for or why it is being invoked (I am not sure any politician would have a meaningful answer), this is almost certainly something someone else in what's left of the bureaucracy told him to do. The CDC and WHO pressers are the only places where you can get real clarification you can count on (just look at what happened with Trump's statement on EU goods which-thank god-was not real).
I'd guess the act is being invoked to reallocate resources and void existing contracts, as well as (probably) void parts of the standard approval and distribution process for medical equipment, testing products, and (in the future) drugs or vaccines.
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